Teddy on immigrants and being American

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    It might just be me, but that really does sum up how we should approach the issue of immigration. They have to conform to America and not America to them.
     
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    This shouldn't be a political issue, and the fact is Dems and Reps have equally dropped the ball on this issue. Representative Tancredo has been beating this drum the loudest, but largely ignored by both Reps and Dems because of politics. I think your points are good, and hopefully now this issue will get addressed
     
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    America is a country of immigrants (said today by Spector on ABC). He was talking about immigrants in general, but referred to his own parents' Russian heritage. No doubt they spoke Russian when they first came here and if they moved to a Russian immigrant neighborhood somewhere in PA, they undoubtedly continued to do so. Why pick on the southwestern Hispanics on the language issue? In major cities all over the country, we have fairly isolated Chinatowns with inhabitants who speak Chinese only, with scraps of English. That's all they need to survive. But if they were not so isolated, no doubt they would, as many more other Chinese-Americans did, enter the mainstream culture, and over generations may lose the ability to speak anything but English. There are many first generation Hispanics in the southwest and elsewhere who only need Spanish to deal with daytoday life. Yet there are many others who have moved into the mainstream culture, who may or may not speak Spanish, but need English to survive and are fluent. The problem is isolation and with exception, most immigrants have had to deal with it. Part of it is voluntary: living among language and ethnically similar people in a strange country is comfortable for newcomers. Part of it is enforced: only the ethnic ghetto may be welcoming. And it goes without saying that being illegal is culturally isolating because it is safer.

    In my mind, the Hispanic immigrants are no different than other immigrants. And we are a country of immigrants, as Spector reminds us, from 170 different countries. Let's treat them as such.
     
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    But they are different. Specter lies. Hispanics are NOT like the British and European whites who came before. There are limits to assimilation. You can't make everyone in the world an American by pouring Coca-Cola over their heads.
     
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    my family came through ellis island legally.....speak english as a first language and pay taxes....

    so in my mind there is a huge difference..
     
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    Good post & comment...but ya forgot to mention..."Legal Immigration"!
     
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    I agree that immigrants assimilate with common languages and cultures. As generation come up they adapt to American culture. However, I believe, as previous immigrants did, they (Hispanic immigrants) are being prevented from gaining access to mainstream America by Spanish language education paid for at the tax payers expense rather than teaching English. That I'd gladly pay for. I see this as creating a permanent under class and preventing them access to mainstream American dreams. Do we really want to limit Hispanics to dish washing and gardening jobs? Of course, not. That is why if we truly see them as immigrants we should allow them the potential to climb the economic ladder rather than keeping them as gardeners. But, regardless it needs to be done legally! Illegals I want them out. The fist step to immigration should be respecting our laws.
     
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    I really don't believe that white nationalism does anything for the Republican party nor for conservatism in general. This is so far right of even the most conservative of Republicans that I would have to suggest that it is a welcoming card for NeoNazis. Can anyone who believes in American values really agree with this kind of caucasian supremacy or panracism.
     
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    Indeed, TR is right on regarding immigration.
     
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    Yes. The Founding Fathers were white nationalists. Read Federalist No. 2.
     

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