What we owe Republicans

[noose4]

waiting on a recant. can you do it?

Recant of what?

go back and read,, take all the time ya need..












poetry is free
and so am thee

So you have nothing and you still didnt answer the question, would you have preferred extending the war a few years and risking a million more American service members lives rather than dropping the bomb?

 

[WillowTree]

Recant of what?

go back and read,, take all the time ya need..












poetry is free
and so am thee

So you have nothing and you still didnt answer the question, would you have preferred extending the war a few years and risking a million more American service members lives rather than dropping the bomb?

I have everything and I don't answer questions on demand. I require a give and take. so,,, I'll wait for your recant.

 

[noose4]

go back and read,, take all the time ya need..












poetry is free
and so am thee

So you have nothing and you still didnt answer the question, would you have preferred extending the war a few years and risking a million more American service members lives rather than dropping the bomb?

I have everything and I don't answer questions on demand. I require a give and take. so,,, I'll wait for your recant.

Show me what I posted that you want recanted and I will consider doing such and then you can finally answer the question.

 

[WillowTree]

So you have nothing and you still didnt answer the question, would you have preferred extending the war a few years and risking a million more American service members lives rather than dropping the bomb?

I have everything and I don't answer questions on demand. I require a give and take. so,,, I'll wait for your recant.

Show me what I posted that you want recanted and I will consider doing such and then you can finally answer the question.

you have zero comprehension of the discussion at hand and you are operating under false illusions. I suggest for a second time you go <<<<<<<< and reread the thread then we can proceed. It's difficult talking to someone who isn't up to speed..

 

[noose4]

I have everything and I don't answer questions on demand. I require a give and take. so,,, I'll wait for your recant.

Show me what I posted that you want recanted and I will consider doing such and then you can finally answer the question.

you have zero comprehension of the discussion at hand and you are operating under false illusions. I suggest for a second time you go <<<<<<<< and reread the thread then we can proceed. It's difficult talking to someone who isn't up to speed..

HMMM, Perhaps you are under the impression that a person can recant something they did not put forth, that is not what a recant is, now you can tell us why you would have preferred extending WW2 for a few more years and risking a million more American service personnel lives rather than dropping the bomb?

 

[WillowTree]

Show me what I posted that you want recanted and I will consider doing such and then you can finally answer the question.

you have zero comprehension of the discussion at hand and you are operating under false illusions. I suggest for a second time you go <<<<<<<< and reread the thread then we can proceed. It's difficult talking to someone who isn't up to speed..

HMMM, Perhaps you are under the impression that a person can recant something they did not put forth, that is not what a recant is, now you can tell us why you would have preferred extending WW2 for a few more years and risking a million more American service personnel lives rather than dropping the bomb?

you are beginning to bore me. I'll wait. Get back to me when you have an answer for ME.

 

[noose4]

you have zero comprehension of the discussion at hand and you are operating under false illusions. I suggest for a second time you go <<<<<<<< and reread the thread then we can proceed. It's difficult talking to someone who isn't up to speed..

HMMM, Perhaps you are under the impression that a person can recant something they did not put forth, that is not what a recant is, now you can tell us why you would have preferred extending WW2 for a few more years and risking a million more American service personnel lives rather than dropping the bomb?

you are beginning to bore me. I'll wait. Get back to me when you have an answer for ME.

Your surrender and inability to produce or answer is accepted.

 

[WillowTree]

HMMM, Perhaps you are under the impression that a person can recant something they did not put forth, that is not what a recant is, now you can tell us why you would have preferred extending WW2 for a few more years and risking a million more American service personnel lives rather than dropping the bomb?

you are beginning to bore me. I'll wait. Get back to me when you have an answer for ME.

Your surrender and inability to produce or answer is accepted.

 

[noose4]

you are beginning to bore me. I'll wait. Get back to me when you have an answer for ME.

Your surrender and inability to produce or answer is accepted.

I keep forgetting they allow the mentally ill to post on message boards, I neg repped you back.

 

[WillowTree]

Your surrender and inability to produce or answer is accepted.

I keep forgetting they allow the mentally ill to post on message boards, I neg repped you back.

maybe I can get some Republicans to neutralize your "bomb"

 

[noose4]

I keep forgetting they allow the mentally ill to post on message boards, I neg repped you back.

maybe I can get some Republicans to neutralize your "bomb"

 

[NYcarbineer]

I keep forgetting they allow the mentally ill to post on message boards, I neg repped you back.

maybe I can get some Republicans to neutralize your "bomb"

Why do you oppose us having used the atomic bombs on Japan? What if Japan had been building their own atomic weapons?

 

[WillowTree]

I keep forgetting they allow the mentally ill to post on message boards, I neg repped you back.

maybe I can get some Republicans to neutralize your "bomb"

Why do you oppose us having used the atomic bombs on Japan? What if Japan had been building their own atomic weapons?

what if cow shit was butter?

 

[Brutus]

Jefferson founded the Republican Party in 1791 based purely on his belief in freedom from big liberal government. His concept is now more American than apple pie.

Without Republicans the competition would be between big government parties, i.e., liberals, socialist, communists, Nazis, despots, fascists, religious nuts, etc. These parties would compete by promising more and more welfare and less and less work until the "Road to Serfdom" finally led to some form of liberal totalitarianism.

We have Jefferson and Republicans to thank for our freedom.

So who do we supposedly owe this to? Boehner? Cantor? Mitt Romney?

I'd say we owe it to Jefferson since the philosophy of freedom that Boehner Cantor and Romney practice came from Jefferson.

If you despise freedom it is only because you have been brainwashed or because you lack the IQ. Do you have plans to improve yourself or do you plan to be a morally superior welfare queen liberal all your life?

 

[Inthemiddle]

if you have a primary sources to confirm this I will pay you $10,000. Bet or run away with your tail between your legs once again

Do you even know what a primary source is?

 

[Inthemiddle]

I ask for primary sources: newspapers, speeches, Congressional record, even quotes from famous historians who studied the period( as I gave you)

All you've given is fallacy of equivocation. The DR party was often, at times, referred to as the "Republican" party, as a shortened name. When the party fell apart, the main bulk coalesced into a new "Democratic" party. However, the old DR party was NOT the "Republican" party of today. Similar names, different parties. It's like "to, too, two."

What you're trying to do, by drawing a common identity between the two different groups is a logical fallacy called equivocation. It happens when a person equates two ideas based on having a common word that identifies them (a name). For example: God is love, love is blind, Stevie Wonder is blind, therefore Stevie Wonder is God. You're suggestions about the old DR party are no less absurd than positing that Stevie Wonder is God.

Do you think the liberal wants you to know that our country was founded for freedom from liberal government?

Actually, it was founded from freedom from Great Britain.

Lying about history only makes them more despicable, as did spying for the great liberal Stalin.

Got it, you're trolling.

 

[Brutus]

I ask for primary sources: newspapers, speeches, Congressional record, even quotes from famous historians who studied the period( as I gave you)

All you've given is fallacy of equivocation. The DR party was often, at times, referred to as the "Republican" party, as a shortened name.

As I said I'll pay you $10,000 if you have primary sources to show
that Jefferson did not found the Republican party in 1791.The Party was not called the Democratic-Republican Party in the 1790's. Bet $10,000 or run away with your liberal tail between your legs once again.

Moreover, The Republicans party of 1791 is identical to the modern Republican Party in that it had
an identical name and, more importantly, an identical philosophy.
$10,000???

 

[Brutus]

if you have a primary sources to confirm this I will pay you $10,000. Bet or run away with your tail between your legs once again

Do you even know what a primary source is?

WIKI: In the study of history as an academic discipline, a primary source (also called original source or evidence) is an artifact, a document, a recording, or other source of information that was created at the time under study.

Here is primary source material to demonstrate that Jefferson founded the Republican Party, not the Democratic Republican Party

5th Congress (1797-1799)
Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

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6th Congress (1799-1801)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

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7th Congress (1801-1803)

Majority Party: Republican (17 seats)

Minority Party: Federalist (15 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Vacant: 2

Total Seats: 34

"Historians do not agree on the details surrounding the origin of Parties. Some believe that Jefferson forged the Republican party from coalition of existing state and local parties"....[in the 1790's].

Page 31, Political Parties in America by Robert Huckshorn( most popular Political Science text on parties in USA.


"Although people were still deeply ambivalent about political parties, although one party did not necessarily recognize the legitimacy of the other, and although men on both sides were nostalgic- at one time or another- for the imaginary golden age of political harmony, few people could be found in the early 1790's who believed the parties did not exist. The parties had names: Federalist and Republican."

- Susan Dunn, Jefferson's Second Revolution.


"In referring to political parties I have adopted the names which the respective parties used in self-designation. Thus the Jeffersonian party has been referred to throughout as the Republican Party. This name came into use early in the 1790's among persons who considered themselves of a common political "interest", and the term "Republican interest" was generally used until it was replaced by the more definite "Republican Party".

The Jeffersonian Republicans( the formation of Party organization (1789-1801) by Noble E. Cunningham,Jr.


-During a conciliatory moment at his Inauguration Jefferson said: "today we are all Republicans, we are all Federalists." (referring to the two majors parties at the time)
We have called by different names brethren of the same principle. We are all Republicans, we are all Federalists. If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
- When Jefferson won the election of 1800 the National Gazette headline was, "Complete triumph of Republican firmness over the "obstinacy" of the Aristocrats"! ( what Republicans called big government Federalists)

 

[Intense]

The Democratic-Republican Party or Republican Party was an American political party founded in the early 1790s by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. Political scientists use the former name, while historians prefer the latter one; contemporaries generally called the party the "Republicans", along with many other names. In a broader sense the party was the concrete realization of Jeffersonian democracy.

It was formed first in Congress and then in every state to contest elections and oppose the programs of Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton. Jefferson needed to have a nationwide party to counteract the Federalists, a nationwide party recently formed by Hamilton. Foreign affairs took a leading role in 1795 as the Republicans opposed the Jay Treaty with Britain (then at war with France) and supported good relations with revolutionary France (until Napoleon became a dictator after 1799). The party insisted on a stringent standard for derivation of any proposed powers for the United States Government, and denounced many of Hamilton's measures (especially the national bank) as unconstitutional. The party was strongest in the South and weakest in the Northeast; it favored states' rights and the primacy of the yeoman farmers and the planters over bankers, industrialists, merchants, and investors. The Jeffersonians were deeply committed to the principles of republicanism, which they feared were threatened by the supposed monarchical tendencies of the Federalists. The party came to power with the election of Jefferson in 1800. The Federalists&#8212;too elitist to appeal to most people&#8212;faded away, and the Republicans, despite internal divisions, dominated the First Party System until partisanship itself withered away after 1816.

The presidents selected by the party were Thomas Jefferson (1801&#8211;1809), James Madison (1809&#8211;1817), and James Monroe (1817&#8211;1825). After 1800, the party dominated Congress and most state governments outside New England. It selected presidential candidates through its caucus in Congress, but in 1824, that system broke down. The dominant faction of the party supported Andrew Jackson and evolved into the Democratic Party, a continuation of the original party with a truncated name. The other main faction, led by John Quincy Adams and Henry Clay, formed a new party initially known as the National Republicans; it evolved into the Whig Party, the northern wing of which eventually became the civil-war-era Republican Party.

Democratic-Republican Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Brutus]

contemporaries generally called the party the "Republicans",

generally implies not always. If you have a primary source, not an idiotic liberal online encyclopedia, that shows it was often called something else or listed in the Congressional Record as something else I'll pay you $10,000. Bet?? Do you want to be a worthless liberal all your life?