What we owe Republicans

[MoeSyzlak]

Here is primary source material to demonstrate that Jefferson founded the Republican Party, not the Democratic Republican Party

5th Congress (1797-1799)
Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

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6th Congress (1799-1801)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

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7th Congress (1801-1803)

Majority Party: Republican (17 seats)

Minority Party: Federalist (15 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Vacant: 2

Total Seats: 34

"Historians do not agree on the details surrounding the origin of Parties. Some believe that Jefferson forged the Republican party from coalition of existing state and local parties"....[in the 1790's].

Page 31, Political Parties in America by Robert Huckshorn( most popular Political Science text on parties in USA.


"Although people were still deeply ambivalent about political parties, although one party did not necessarily recognize the legitimacy of the other, and although men on both sides were nostalgic- at one time or another- for the imaginary golden age of political harmony, few people could be found in the early 1790's who believed the parties did not exist. The parties had names: Federalist and Republican."

- Susan Dunn, Jefferson's Second Revolution.


"In referring to political parties I have adopted the names which the respective parties used in self-designation. Thus the Jeffersonian party has been referred to throughout as the Republican Party. This name came into use early in the 1790's among persons who considered themselves of a common political "interest", and the term "Republican interest" was generally used until it was replaced by the more definite "Republican Party".

The Jeffersonian Republicans( the formation of Party organization (1789-1801) by Noble E. Cunningham,Jr.


-During a conciliatory moment at his Inauguration Jefferson said: "today we are all Republicans, we are all Federalists." (referring to the two majors parties at the time)
We have called by different names brethren of the same principle. We are all Republicans, we are all Federalists. If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
- When Jefferson won the election of 1800 the National Gazette headline was, "Complete triumph of Republican firmness over the "obstinacy" of the Aristocrats"! ( what Republicans called big government Federalists)

Brutus - does it occur to you that the term "Republican" could have different meanings in different times? We were founded as a "Republic", right? My guess is that Jefferson, above all, favored the continuation of the union as a representative republic of states (versus a loose confederation held together only by a common language and geographic proximity). It was in this form that he used the term republican. It is true he spoke often about the perils of an increasingly large central government...no argument. But it strains reason to think that he was imagining the creation of anything remotely approaching the modern "republican party". His stance on organized religion, for one, would deny him access to real standing in the party today.

Your tactic is obvious, and a bit tired - haul out a "founding father", proclaim him as "yours", in an effort to demonstrate that the founding fathers would have favored your particular politics today.

 

[Brutus]

Actually, it[America] was founded from[on the concept of] freedom from Great Britain.

that was the Federalist position. Jefferson founded the Republican Party in 1791 to establish that the Revolution had been about freedom from all government, not just the government of England.

Welcome to your first lesson in American History.

 

[The T]

I keep forgetting they allow the mentally ill to post on message boards, I neg repped you back.

maybe I can get some Republicans to neutralize your "bomb"

Why do you oppose us having used the atomic bombs on Japan? What if Japan had been building their own atomic weapons?

They almost got such rech until U234 was sunk.

Us and the Axis powers were developing technology for it.

WE just happened to beat them to it.

Your argument is silly, and moot. But then you argue in 'what-if's' to prove an arguement instead of facts.

Piss poor.

 

[rdean]

Jefferson founded the Republican Party in 1791 based purely on his belief in freedom from big liberal government. His concept is now more American than apple pie.

Without Republicans the competition would be between big government parties, i.e., liberals, socialist, communists, Nazis, despots, fascists, religious nuts, etc. These parties would compete by promising more and more welfare and less and less work until the "Road to Serfdom" finally led to some form of liberal totalitarianism.

We have Jefferson and Republicans to thank for our freedom.

Conservatives fled the Democratic Party and jointed the Republican Party in the 60's swelling the ranks until the newly Confederate party is 90% white. They pushed out there very type of people whose achievements they attempt to take credit for. Any recent examples? Bin Laden comes to mind.

 

[The T]

Jefferson founded the Republican Party in 1791 based purely on his belief in freedom from big liberal government. His concept is now more American than apple pie.

Without Republicans the competition would be between big government parties, i.e., liberals, socialist, communists, Nazis, despots, fascists, religious nuts, etc. These parties would compete by promising more and more welfare and less and less work until the "Road to Serfdom" finally led to some form of liberal totalitarianism.

We have Jefferson and Republicans to thank for our freedom.

Conservatives fled the Democratic Party and jointed the Republican Party in the 60's swelling the ranks until the newly Confederate party is 90% white. They pushed out there very type of people whose achievements they attempt to take credit for. Any recent examples? Bin Laden comes to mind.

Can't help yourself can you? Bigoted racist asswipe?

bin-Laden? Really? Obama supposedly killed him according to you and your Statist brothers/sisters. (Albiet he executed a standing order from a former POTUS)...Hidden message in here deany?

 

[Brutus]

My guess

a goof liberal will have to guess about the basics of American History.[/quote]

is that Jefferson, above all, favored the continuation of the union as a representative republic of states (versus a loose confederation held together only by a common language and geographic proximity). It was in this form that he used the term republican.

That of course is 100% ignorant. He despised Washington and left the administration to save the country based on the concept of freedom from liberal government.[/quote]

It is true he spoke often about the perils of an increasingly large central government...no argument.

again 100% ignorant!! OFTEN???His entire political life, including the formation of the Republican Party in 1791 and the eventual destruction of Washington's Federalists in 1800 was 100% about the destruction of liberal government and the creation of Republican America. Liberals don't really belong here do they? That is why they spied for Stalin.

Welcome to your first lesson in American history?

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[MoeSyzlak]

My guess

a goof liberal will have to guess about the basics of American History.

is that Jefferson, above all, favored the continuation of the union as a representative republic of states (versus a loose confederation held together only by a common language and geographic proximity). It was in this form that he used the term republican.

That of course is 100% ignorant. He despised Washington and left the administration to save the country based on the concept of freedom from liberal government.[/quote]

It is true he spoke often about the perils of an increasingly large central government...no argument.

again 100% ignorant!! OFTEN???His entire political life, including the formation of the Republican Party in 1791 and the eventual destruction of Washington's Federalists in 1800 was 100% about the destruction of liberal government and the creation of Republican America. Liberals don't really belong here do they? That is why they spied for Stalin.

Welcome to your first lesson in American history?

[[/QUOTE]

I was being facetious with the "my guess" comment.

So, if I understand, Jefferson so despised Washington, he became (among other posts) Governor of Virgina, Secretary of the Unite States, and President of the United States (not to mention being a key author of the very document that established the central goverment). Do I have that right?

Let me guess...he did those things so he could protect the people from the early "liberals" who wanted to form a much stronger central government.

Because he "founded" the republican party in 1791 (according to you), we have him to thank for creating the movement which has protected America from becoming the nation the liberals would have wanted it to be - which would have undoubtedly been some form of socialism. Those liberals I tells ya...always wanting to turn the US into the USSR.

 

[Inthemiddle]

As I said I'll pay you $10,000 if you have primary sources to show

Pay up.

 

[Brutus]

Good job but please state what the bet was? Do you accept the bet? Where exactly is the evidence that you won the bet?

 

[Brutus]

I was being facetious with the "my guess" comment.

sure you were!!

So, if I understand, Jefferson so despised Washington, he became (among other posts) Governor of Virgina, Secretary of the Unite States, and President of the United States (not to mention being a key author of the very document that established the central goverment). Do I have that right?

dear, he despised George Washington's Federalism. Welcome to your first lesson in American History

Let me guess...he did those things so he could protect the people from the early "liberals" who wanted to form a much stronger central government.

yes that is 100% correct. If you doubt it please say why or admit as a liberal you have yet to study your own history?

Because he "founded" the republican party in 1791 (according to you),

what party did he a Madison from in 1971???????????

we have him to thank for creating the movement which has protected America from becoming the nation the liberals would have wanted it to be - which would have undoubtedly been some form of socialism. Those liberals I tells ya...always wanting to turn the US into the USSR.

Again 100 correct. Why do you think the liberal spied for Stalin? Why do you think BO voted to the left of Bernie Sanders. Why do you think BO is beloved by the CPUSA? Why do you think his mother married 2 communists, why was/were BO's closest mentors Frank Marshall Davis and Rev. Wright communists

 

[Lovebears65]

Jefferson founded the Republican Party in 1791 based purely on his belief in freedom from big liberal government. His concept is now more American than apple pie.

Without Republicans the competition would be between big government parties, i.e., liberals, socialist, communists, Nazis, despots, fascists, religious nuts, etc. These parties would compete by promising more and more welfare and less and less work until the "Road to Serfdom" finally led to some form of liberal totalitarianism.

We have Jefferson and Republicans to thank for our freedom.

democrats won WWII...

so what were you saying?

nutcase...

And that said president was the cause of the great depression as well.

 

[Brutus]

And that said president was the cause of the great depression as well.

look out though FDR became a great hero to liberals by prolonging the Depression for 10 years with stimulus measures and so causing WW2.

If BO can prolong this recession for 10 years he too will be a great liberal hero.

 

[Intense]

I was being facetious with the "my guess" comment.

sure you were!!

So, if I understand, Jefferson so despised Washington, he became (among other posts) Governor of Virgina, Secretary of the Unite States, and President of the United States (not to mention being a key author of the very document that established the central goverment). Do I have that right?

dear, he despised George Washington's Federalism. Welcome to your first lesson in American History




yes that is 100% correct. If you doubt it please say why or admit as a liberal you have yet to study your own history?

Because he "founded" the republican party in 1791 (according to you),

what party did he a Madison from in 1971???????????

we have him to thank for creating the movement which has protected America from becoming the nation the liberals would have wanted it to be - which would have undoubtedly been some form of socialism. Those liberals I tells ya...always wanting to turn the US into the USSR.

Again 100 correct. Why do you think the liberal spied for Stalin? Why do you think BO voted to the left of Bernie Sanders. Why do you think BO is beloved by the CPUSA? Why do you think his mother married 2 communists, why was/were BO's closest mentors Frank Marshall Davis and Rev. Wright communists

From my Perspective, George Washington was the dumb Jock. Hamilton was the Ramrod behind the Power, I figure Hamilton was running circles around Him, by the second or third sentence, and just took over, while George sat there with a confused grin on his face, trying to not look stupid. I say Fuck Hamilton. George never knew what hit him. Adams figured it out a little late, but he did figure it out.

 

[Intense]

As I said I'll pay you $10,000 if you have primary sources to show

Pay up.

Grow up.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Jefferson founded the Republican Party in 1791 based purely on his belief in freedom from big liberal government. His concept is now more American than apple pie.

Without Republicans the competition would be between big government parties, i.e., liberals, socialist, communists, Nazis, despots, fascists, religious nuts, etc. These parties would compete by promising more and more welfare and less and less work until the "Road to Serfdom" finally led to some form of liberal totalitarianism.

We have Jefferson and Republicans to thank for our freedom.

Hate to tell you dude, but this Republican party isn't the same as the original.

In other words, it's not your father's Oldsmobile.

 

[Brutus]

1) do you accept the bet
2) what exactly was the bet
3) where exactly is evidence that you won it

 

[Brutus]

Hate to tell you dude, but this Republican party isn't the same as the original.

of course if true you would not be so afraid to say what the difference is. What does your fear tell you?

Do you think liberals have any business being in America other than to subvert it?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Hate to tell you dude, but this Republican party isn't the same as the original.

of course if true you would not be so afraid to say what the difference is. What does your fear tell you?

Do you think liberals have any business being in America other than to subvert it?

Actually, fear has nothing to do with it.

I (apparently, unlike you) actually studied while I was in American History class.

 

[Brutus]

Hate to tell you dude, but this Republican party isn't the same as the original.

of course if true you would not be so afraid to say what the difference is. What does your fear tell you?

Do you think liberals have any business being in America other than to subvert it?

Actually, fear has nothing to do with it.

I (apparently, unlike you) actually studied while I was in American History class.

of course if so you would not be so afraid to say what the difference is between Jefferson's hatred of liberal government and modern Republican's hatred of liberal government

 

[rightwinger]

Jefferson founded the Republican Party in 1791 based purely on his belief in freedom from big liberal government. His concept is now more American than apple pie.

Without Republicans the competition would be between big government parties, i.e., liberals, socialist, communists, Nazis, despots, fascists, religious nuts, etc. These parties would compete by promising more and more welfare and less and less work until the "Road to Serfdom" finally led to some form of liberal totalitarianism.

We have Jefferson and Republicans to thank for our freedom.

democrats won WWII...

so what were you saying?

nutcase...

And that said president was the cause of the great depression as well.

How do you cause something that had been raging for three years before you took office?