What to do if we run out of oil?

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    What to do if we run out of oil? I understand that electricy doesn't really rely on it that much, but our trains certainly carry the coal(40 percent of energy) and food certainly does. Should we decrease our need of coal and oil by going over to nuclear, wind and solar??? For transport maybe we can make "electric" trains that run on the energy grid?

    I"M talking about building nuclear and other means that don't have to rely on it. Can it be done and continue having the civilization that we have today.
     
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    "We" won't run out of oil. In a hundred or two hundred years sometime in 20220 they might have to consider it but unless the fascists still run the government the private sector might have some solutions. Meanwhile we have to consider the way pop-culture seems to just adore the rich Saudi princes but condemn the hard working Americans who run oil companies.
     
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    There are many things that can produce 'oil'. However, use these, you have to increase the price of the end product in order to cover costs. At a certain point, it becomes cheaper to use other forms of energy. And that is leaving out the environmental and climatic costs that the use of oil for fuel creates.
     
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    use the fat from fat people
     
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    Alternatives and renewables are not totally without such costs. And I would contend that hydrocarbons' benefits far outweigh such cost.
     
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    I have been running my entire fleet on ethanol for over 12 years. Who needs oil?

    Livestock gain weight 30% faster on 15% less Ethanol co-product DDG feed than they do on corn. Food & fuel are no problem.

    New bio-genetic enzymes have just been developed to turn seaweed/kelp efficiently into ethanol. We may soon be farming the ocean, reducing dead zones & reducing carbon as we produce ethanol fuel.

    Poet Ethanol is already producing cellulosic ethanol. They are about finished with construction on their second cellulosic ethanol plant that will come on-line producing cellulosic ethanol to capacity in 2013.
     
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    Are you kidding, or are you just trolling to see if there is any potential for peak oil religious converts in this particular forum? We once had one of those missionaries, but we threw him back as he wasn't fully grown. We never did get a replacement with functioning neurons.
     
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    We will have 4 next-gen cellulosic ethanol plants operating next year.

    DuPont breaks ground on $200M cellulosic ethanol plant

    Poet, the largest ethanol maker in the U.S., has turned down a $105 million federal loan guarantee that would have financed it's cellulosic ethanol plants. Poet announced it has established a joint venture with life sciences company Royal DSM to commercially demonstrate and license its cellulosic ethanol made from corn cob and crop residue. The joint venture, called POET-DSM Advanced Biofuels LLC, is scheduled to start production in the second half of 2013.

    Poet has been working towards commercial production of next-gen cellulosic ethanol for more than a decade. In 2006, it partnered with DuPont to find cost effective ways to bring corn stover-ethanol to market. Two years later, Poet built a pilot plant in Scotland, South Dakota, where it began testing its cellulosic ethanol production process. Poet plans to eventually scale up its production to 25 million gallons a year at Project Liberty, the company’s long-planned cellulosic plant in Emmetsburg, Iowa.
     
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    At what cut? 10%?

    The better question is, who needs corn? 40% of corn crops go to ethanol production. So much ethanol, that 20% is exported.

    Was this the initial intention of the ethanol program when introduced in the 80's?

    No.

    There were 3 basic tennets: Reduce oil imports (not done), improve air quality (not done), improve crop prices to agriculture (DONE).

    Back to the question... who needs corn? The world is starving. We have starving kids in this country. If you argue that ETOH corn is not food-grade, then I'd argue that we should devote those acres to food-grade ag products.

    If not, the least we can do is plow under the worthless shit and plant trees.
     
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    It's possible that the radicals can mange to raise taxes and punish American achievers while maintaining a phony loyalty to the muslem brotherhood and that's why they want to destroy information networks that might not go along with the program. I have seen offensive programs promoted by the "history channel and nat-geo" that tends to promote the extravagant lifestyle of mid East Saudies rich and famous.
     

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