What the SC/Westboro protest decision REALLY means

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    This decision was unfortunately the right one, but it does exactly what Westboro wants- piss more people off at them.

    Here is what it REALLY means:

    It has nothing to do with right, left, Dem, GOP. In my former job in law enforcement, I was unfortunate enough to have to protect these dirtbags at one of their protests. And here is their little secret: They are all lawyers.

    Yep. In the pre-ops briefing, several command brass of local depts were on hand, and did in depth research on these Westboro scum. Part of the requirement of being a member of their "church" is that upon turning 18 one must enroll and complete law school at a nearby college. They are all lawyers, know the law VERY well, and keep updated on the law VERY well.

    Their plot is to go city to city, trying to provoke people. They call in advance to the local city police dept. They request protection as they say "We know our free speech could draw violence towards us, thus, you must protect us". They make that request on public record, and then if ANYTHING happens to them, they sue the city and police dept for failing to protect them.

    Police, in response, are allowed to assign them a protest location, HOWEVER, Westboro gets to request what general area. For example, they want to do a funeral, the police can only limit them to the closest public space to that funeral. So the police try to limit them to a location in which they'll have as little impact as possible. The police tell them "Due to limited manpower, we can only guarantee protection if you follow our ops-plan, so we can pre-plan this event and ensure the most protection possible. If you stray from our pre-planned ops plan, then we can't guarantee your safety.

    So, Westboro does it. They follow the police plan. In fact, they distrust even the police. When they leave, they only leave in a rental car. And they have several rental cars parked throughout a county at public spaces. So as police escort them away from the site, they go about and seperate into several rented cars and scatter, until they are no longer being "escorted" by highway patrolmen. They then check into their undisclosed hotel (Courageous of them, right?)

    And thats their plan. Provoke the people. Demand city protection. Then sue if anything happens.

    They are all lawyers.

    The message? Lawyers are ruining our country.
     
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    Yes, they are scum and they are lawyers...but since you think lawyers are ruining our country, I'm sure you will never resort to using one.
     
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    I hope not. And maybe I should clarify. Tort lawyers are ruining our country. Criminal prosecution and defense lawyers aren't nearly as bad. They exist solely because we must have them for our criminal justice system.

    Ambulance chasers, tort lawyers, Westboro types who are hunting for a lawsuit....those types of dirt bags are ruining our country. They aren't right, left, Dem or GOP. They're just people with no souls. There is a special place in hell for people like Westboro.......and for people who kick puppies.
     
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    :cuckoo: If you can't blame the Joooooooos, blame the lawyers!
     
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    They are evil geniuses for sure. That they carefully study the law is no surprise. I also find it curious that that call them selves a Baptist church. It looks like they dont post there Church bylaws. Thats odd considering most other churches do post them on line. The best thing to do is ignore them.
     
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    What the decision REALLY means is that carefully crafted laws need to be written about what's permissible at a funeral to balance privacy and free speech rights. I heard that a big part of the decision involved the fact that there was no such law that the WBC had broken. Apparently, a law could be crafted that would pass Constitutional muster, like a buffer zone, for example. It's not like anyone's preventing the WBC from speaking, only where and when. It happens all the time and is permitted by the 1st Amendment in the "right of the people peaceably to assemble" clause, which has been interpreted to mean NOT that people may assemble wherever and whenever they please, but that the government has a vested interest in the logistics in the name of "peaceful assembly". IMO, a good case can be made for the WBC's "disturbing the peace", but first the law must be written.
     
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    Doesn't the Govt do this for the President ?
     
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    There is a buffer zone already...they are not allowed on private property without an invitation. They are allowed on public property however.
     
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    How anything that the Westboro Church is doing can be even remotely related to Christianity is beyond me.
     
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    Apparently not enough of one. The fact that they're on public property doesn't prevent a carefully crafted law from being paased that would remove them from public property adjacent to the ceremonies in question. It's done for the President and other dignitaries. All we need to do is include everyone else.
     

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