CDZ What should we do with polygamy?

[Pedro de San Patricio]

So no thoughts for the children these polygamists have and the unique form of child abuse that occurs from this lifestyle? That's men for you, thinking only about the variety of sex they can have and not the consequences.

Having lived in Utah for 8 years I can tell you these kids suffer greatly.
Especially if they try to leave the cult and join the outside world.

Polygamy is being married to multiple spouses. It comes in two main forms: polyandry (marriage to multiple husbands) and polygyny (marriage to multiple wives). The FLDS variant of polygyny is an abusive cult lifestyle. It is not entirely synonymous with polygamy as a whole.

Oh you mean Muslim polygamy is cool. No abuses there.

I'm not really a fan since only men can do it. We can't allow the sexual slavery aspect. Who am I to say that Karim can't marry Salima and Hafsa at once though?

 

[koshergrl]

So no thoughts for the children these polygamists have and the unique form of child abuse that occurs from this lifestyle? That's men for you, thinking only about the variety of sex they can have and not the consequences.

Having lived in Utah for 8 years I can tell you these kids suffer greatly.
Especially if they try to leave the cult and join the outside world.

Polygamy is being married to multiple spouses. It comes in two main forms: polyandry (marriage to multiple husbands) and polygyny (marriage to multiple wives). The FLDS variant of polygyny is an abusive cult lifestyle. It is not entirely synonymous with polygamy as a whole.

Oh you mean Muslim polygamy is cool. No abuses there.

I'm not really a fan since only men can do it. We can't allow the sexual slavery aspect. Who am I to say that Karim can't marry Salima and Hafsa at once though?

You are US law, where it's illegal for Karim to marry them both, based on the fact that we have rejected polygyny because we have found it to be a breeding ground for abuse and human rights violations...not to mention a recipe for poverty.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

People are free to cohabitate, what they are not free to do is be married to more than one person at a time.

 

[rightwinger]

So no thoughts for the children these polygamists have and the unique form of child abuse that occurs from this lifestyle? That's men for you, thinking only about the variety of sex they can have and not the consequences.

Having lived in Utah for 8 years I can tell you these kids suffer greatly.
Especially if they try to leave the cult and join the outside world.

Polygamy is being married to multiple spouses. It comes in two main forms: polyandry (marriage to multiple husbands) and polygyny (marriage to multiple wives). The FLDS variant of polygyny is an abusive cult lifestyle. It is not entirely synonymous with polygamy as a whole.

Oh you mean Muslim polygamy is cool. No abuses there.

I'm not really a fan since only men can do it. We can't allow the sexual slavery aspect. Who am I to say that Karim can't marry Salima and Hafsa at once though?

You are US law, where it's illegal for Karim to marry them both, based on the fact that we have rejected polygyny because we have found it to be a breeding ground for abuse and human rights violations...not to mention a recipe for poverty.

Human rights violations my ass

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Why it is still illegal? if polygamy is a part of your religion? I'm not talking about compounds with prophets assigning wives to old men, I mean families that are just trying to follow their beliefs, no abuse. Ok I have a new question: If polygamy is illegal, meaning you cannot marry more than one person, then why do families living in the suburbs face arrests and criminal charges for practicing it even though legally the man is only married to 1 woman. Say a man is sleeping with his secretary and she get's pregnant and he has children from his wife and now his secretary, why does he not get arrested?
You must admit that all this legalization of homosexual marriages is to lead to allowing polygamy in the US.
Who cares?
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I have no problem with polygamy so long as they can afford their lifestyle without begging the taxpayer to help support them. There was a Mormon polygamist family on welfare and that to me is absolute horse crap.

So no thoughts for the children these polygamists have and the unique form of child abuse that occurs from this lifestyle? That's men for you, thinking only about the variety of sex they can have and not the consequences.

Having lived in Utah for 8 years I can tell you these kids suffer greatly.
Especially if they try to leave the cult and join the outside world.

NoTeaPartyPleez

Thanks for posting this. I have a gay friend who lived in Salt Lake and has said the same thing.

IMO, what goes on between consenting adults, its no one's business but theirs and I really don't care. But yes, I agree completely that we must protect children. And women who are forced into the lifestyle as children.

This is why I DESPISE slime like Ted Nugent, Warren Jeffs and the lying SOB on Duck Dynasty, Phil Robertson. They champion child molestation as though it means little or nothing. Its meaningless to them but life-changing for their victims.

I've watched a few of the episodes of Sister Wives and two things have seemed obvious to me.

One is that the "husband" is a lazy bum, living off the work of his "wives".

Second is that only one of the women is actually married. That means the children of three of those so-called wives are bastards, illegitimate. While its true that most people don't seem to care much about the legitimacy of children anymore, we have no way of knowing what what their lives will be because of their parents' choices.

Children is the only real reason I know of why we cannot allow polygamy.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Why it is still illegal? if polygamy is a part of your religion? I'm not talking about compounds with prophets assigning wives to old men, I mean families that are just trying to follow their beliefs, no abuse. Ok I have a new question: If polygamy is illegal, meaning you cannot marry more than one person, then why do families living in the suburbs face arrests and criminal charges for practicing it even though legally the man is only married to 1 woman. Say a man is sleeping with his secretary and she get's pregnant and he has children from his wife and now his secretary, why does he not get arrested?
You must admit that all this legalization of homosexual marriages is to lead to allowing polygamy in the US.
Who cares?
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It's illegal for the same reason booze was illegal, which is the same reason non-prescription drugs are illegal, which is the same reason gay marriage is illegal...

Authoritarian and primarily religious jerks that refuse to mind their own business.

What part of people refusing to mind their own business, is confusing you enough to say .. huh?

Yes RKMBrown

I feel very strongly that people need to stop meddling in the business of others. If between consenting adults - MYOB. Marriage equality, abortion - MYOB.

But over and over, we hear of adult men forcing young girls into "marraige". Protecting those children - that's where we should step in.

 

[RKMBrown]

Why it is still illegal? if polygamy is a part of your religion? I'm not talking about compounds with prophets assigning wives to old men, I mean families that are just trying to follow their beliefs, no abuse. Ok I have a new question: If polygamy is illegal, meaning you cannot marry more than one person, then why do families living in the suburbs face arrests and criminal charges for practicing it even though legally the man is only married to 1 woman. Say a man is sleeping with his secretary and she get's pregnant and he has children from his wife and now his secretary, why does he not get arrested?
You must admit that all this legalization of homosexual marriages is to lead to allowing polygamy in the US.
Who cares?
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It's illegal for the same reason booze was illegal, which is the same reason non-prescription drugs are illegal, which is the same reason gay marriage is illegal...

Authoritarian and primarily religious jerks that refuse to mind their own business.

What part of people refusing to mind their own business, is confusing you enough to say .. huh?

you advocating anarchy?

Yeah cause anything less than tyranny is anarchy. ROLLS EYES

 

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Why it is still illegal? if polygamy is a part of your religion? I'm not talking about compounds with prophets assigning wives to old men, I mean families that are just trying to follow their beliefs, no abuse. Ok I have a new question: If polygamy is illegal, meaning you cannot marry more than one person, then why do families living in the suburbs face arrests and criminal charges for practicing it even though legally the man is only married to 1 woman. Say a man is sleeping with his secretary and she get's pregnant and he has children from his wife and now his secretary, why does he not get arrested?
You must admit that all this legalization of homosexual marriages is to lead to allowing polygamy in the US.
Who cares?
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It's illegal for the same reason booze was illegal, which is the same reason non-prescription drugs are illegal, which is the same reason gay marriage is illegal...

Authoritarian and primarily religious jerks that refuse to mind their own business.

What part of people refusing to mind their own business, is confusing you enough to say .. huh?

Yes RKMBrown

I feel very strongly that people need to stop meddling in the business of others. If between consenting adults - MYOB. Marriage equality, abortion - MYOB.

But over and over, we hear of adult men forcing young girls into "marraige". Protecting those children - that's where we should step in.

Uhmmm killing and raping babies and children isn't the same thing as what goes on between two consenting adults.

 

[RKMBrown]

Why it is still illegal? if polygamy is a part of your religion? I'm not talking about compounds with prophets assigning wives to old men, I mean families that are just trying to follow their beliefs, no abuse. Ok I have a new question: If polygamy is illegal, meaning you cannot marry more than one person, then why do families living in the suburbs face arrests and criminal charges for practicing it even though legally the man is only married to 1 woman. Say a man is sleeping with his secretary and she get's pregnant and he has children from his wife and now his secretary, why does he not get arrested?
You must admit that all this legalization of homosexual marriages is to lead to allowing polygamy in the US.
Who cares?
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I have no problem with polygamy so long as they can afford their lifestyle without begging the taxpayer to help support them. There was a Mormon polygamist family on welfare and that to me is absolute horse crap.

So no thoughts for the children these polygamists have and the unique form of child abuse that occurs from this lifestyle? That's men for you, thinking only about the variety of sex they can have and not the consequences.

Having lived in Utah for 8 years I can tell you these kids suffer greatly.
Especially if they try to leave the cult and join the outside world.

NoTeaPartyPleez

Thanks for posting this. I have a gay friend who lived in Salt Lake and has said the same thing.

IMO, what goes on between consenting adults, its no one's business but theirs and I really don't care. But yes, I agree completely that we must protect children. And women who are forced into the lifestyle as children.

This is why I DESPISE slime like Ted Nugent, Warren Jeffs and the lying SOB on Duck Dynasty, Phil Robertson. They champion child molestation as though it means little or nothing. Its meaningless to them but life-changing for their victims.

I've watched a few of the episodes of Sister Wives and two things have seemed obvious to me.

One is that the "husband" is a lazy bum, living off the work of his "wives".

Second is that only one of the women is actually married. That means the children of three of those so-called wives are bastards, illegitimate. While its true that most people don't seem to care much about the legitimacy of children anymore, we have no way of knowing what what their lives will be because of their parents' choices.

Children is the only real reason I know of why we cannot allow polygamy.

You're a POS lying asshole.

 

[rightwinger]

Why it is still illegal? if polygamy is a part of your religion? I'm not talking about compounds with prophets assigning wives to old men, I mean families that are just trying to follow their beliefs, no abuse. Ok I have a new question: If polygamy is illegal, meaning you cannot marry more than one person, then why do families living in the suburbs face arrests and criminal charges for practicing it even though legally the man is only married to 1 woman. Say a man is sleeping with his secretary and she get's pregnant and he has children from his wife and now his secretary, why does he not get arrested?
You must admit that all this legalization of homosexual marriages is to lead to allowing polygamy in the US.
Who cares?
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I have no problem with polygamy so long as they can afford their lifestyle without begging the taxpayer to help support them. There was a Mormon polygamist family on welfare and that to me is absolute horse crap.

So no thoughts for the children these polygamists have and the unique form of child abuse that occurs from this lifestyle? That's men for you, thinking only about the variety of sex they can have and not the consequences.

Having lived in Utah for 8 years I can tell you these kids suffer greatly.
Especially if they try to leave the cult and join the outside world.

NoTeaPartyPleez

Thanks for posting this. I have a gay friend who lived in Salt Lake and has said the same thing.

IMO, what goes on between consenting adults, its no one's business but theirs and I really don't care. But yes, I agree completely that we must protect children. And women who are forced into the lifestyle as children.

This is why I DESPISE slime like Ted Nugent, Warren Jeffs and the lying SOB on Duck Dynasty, Phil Robertson. They champion child molestation as though it means little or nothing. Its meaningless to them but life-changing for their victims.

I've watched a few of the episodes of Sister Wives and two things have seemed obvious to me.

One is that the "husband" is a lazy bum, living off the work of his "wives".

Second is that only one of the women is actually married. That means the children of three of those so-called wives are bastards, illegitimate. While its true that most people don't seem to care much about the legitimacy of children anymore, we have no way of knowing what what their lives will be because of their parents' choices.

Children is the only real reason I know of why we cannot allow polygamy.

If someone is forcing children to marry then by all means prosecute that act
But prosecuting consenting adults does not help children

If we allow polygamy, then all children of the relationship will be legitimate....they will be better off than they are now

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Why it is still illegal? if polygamy is a part of your religion? I'm not talking about compounds with prophets assigning wives to old men, I mean families that are just trying to follow their beliefs, no abuse. Ok I have a new question: If polygamy is illegal, meaning you cannot marry more than one person, then why do families living in the suburbs face arrests and criminal charges for practicing it even though legally the man is only married to 1 woman. Say a man is sleeping with his secretary and she get's pregnant and he has children from his wife and now his secretary, why does he not get arrested?
You must admit that all this legalization of homosexual marriages is to lead to allowing polygamy in the US.
Who cares?
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I have no problem with polygamy so long as they can afford their lifestyle without begging the taxpayer to help support them. There was a Mormon polygamist family on welfare and that to me is absolute horse crap.

So no thoughts for the children these polygamists have and the unique form of child abuse that occurs from this lifestyle? That's men for you, thinking only about the variety of sex they can have and not the consequences.

Having lived in Utah for 8 years I can tell you these kids suffer greatly.
Especially if they try to leave the cult and join the outside world.

NoTeaPartyPleez

Thanks for posting this. I have a gay friend who lived in Salt Lake and has said the same thing.

IMO, what goes on between consenting adults, its no one's business but theirs and I really don't care. But yes, I agree completely that we must protect children. And women who are forced into the lifestyle as children.

This is why I DESPISE slime like Ted Nugent, Warren Jeffs and the lying SOB on Duck Dynasty, Phil Robertson. They champion child molestation as though it means little or nothing. Its meaningless to them but life-changing for their victims.

I've watched a few of the episodes of Sister Wives and two things have seemed obvious to me.

One is that the "husband" is a lazy bum, living off the work of his "wives".

Second is that only one of the women is actually married. That means the children of three of those so-called wives are bastards, illegitimate. While its true that most people don't seem to care much about the legitimacy of children anymore, we have no way of knowing what what their lives will be because of their parents' choices.

Children is the only real reason I know of why we cannot allow polygamy.

If someone is forcing children to marry then by all means prosecute that act
But prosecuting consenting adults does not help children

If we allow polygamy, then all children of the relationship will be legitimate....they will be better off than they are now

You use the word "consenting" as if it were actually that simple. It isn't. In the 1850's, it was common for house slaves to express their preference for their current condition over emancipation, and that was used by pro-slavery lawyers at the time as reason for continuing the practice. Those opposed to slavery, however, pointed out that slavery involved an entire system, and so could not be addressed according to any singular interaction.

I imagine you conjure up an image of some hippy dippy freakaziods who want to engage in an alternate lifestyle where one man marries two or more women. There are, indeed, a few of these people living in our society, and for whom one could say polygamy is an actual choice. The vast, overwhelming majority of potential polygamists in this country do not fit that profile, however, as their desire for polygamy stems from knuckle-dragging primitive cultural practices rooted in ancient ways, and are deeply misogynistic in nature. Polygamy is part of an entire system -- a system with so many layers of pressure, intimidation and coercion that in order to address the rights of the women involved, we need to address the entire system.

One of the strengths of our country lies in the way we act as a melting pot. All those who advocate that the pot should no longer melt are doing great harm to our society, for when primitive people living in the stone age encouraged to stay that way, our entire culture becomes fractured, and all the rights progressive people have fought for over the centuries are tossed out the window by myopic individuals who somehow think the preservation of primitivism is actually some sort of progress. It isn't. It is simply myopia. .

 

[rightwinger]

Why it is still illegal? if polygamy is a part of your religion? I'm not talking about compounds with prophets assigning wives to old men, I mean families that are just trying to follow their beliefs, no abuse. Ok I have a new question: If polygamy is illegal, meaning you cannot marry more than one person, then why do families living in the suburbs face arrests and criminal charges for practicing it even though legally the man is only married to 1 woman. Say a man is sleeping with his secretary and she get's pregnant and he has children from his wife and now his secretary, why does he not get arrested?
You must admit that all this legalization of homosexual marriages is to lead to allowing polygamy in the US.
Who cares?
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I have no problem with polygamy so long as they can afford their lifestyle without begging the taxpayer to help support them. There was a Mormon polygamist family on welfare and that to me is absolute horse crap.

So no thoughts for the children these polygamists have and the unique form of child abuse that occurs from this lifestyle? That's men for you, thinking only about the variety of sex they can have and not the consequences.

Having lived in Utah for 8 years I can tell you these kids suffer greatly.
Especially if they try to leave the cult and join the outside world.

NoTeaPartyPleez

Thanks for posting this. I have a gay friend who lived in Salt Lake and has said the same thing.

IMO, what goes on between consenting adults, its no one's business but theirs and I really don't care. But yes, I agree completely that we must protect children. And women who are forced into the lifestyle as children.

This is why I DESPISE slime like Ted Nugent, Warren Jeffs and the lying SOB on Duck Dynasty, Phil Robertson. They champion child molestation as though it means little or nothing. Its meaningless to them but life-changing for their victims.

I've watched a few of the episodes of Sister Wives and two things have seemed obvious to me.

One is that the "husband" is a lazy bum, living off the work of his "wives".

Second is that only one of the women is actually married. That means the children of three of those so-called wives are bastards, illegitimate. While its true that most people don't seem to care much about the legitimacy of children anymore, we have no way of knowing what what their lives will be because of their parents' choices.

Children is the only real reason I know of why we cannot allow polygamy.

If someone is forcing children to marry then by all means prosecute that act
But prosecuting consenting adults does not help children

If we allow polygamy, then all children of the relationship will be legitimate....they will be better off than they are now

You use the word "consenting" as if it were actually that simple. It isn't. In the 1850's, it was common for house slaves to express their preference for their current condition over emancipation, and that was used by pro-slavery lawyers at the time as reason for continuing the practice. Those opposed to slavery, however, pointed out that slavery involved an entire system, and so could not be addressed according to any singular interaction.

I imagine you conjure up an image of some hippy dippy freakaziods who want to engage in an alternate lifestyle where one man marries two or more women. There are, indeed, a few of these people living in our society, and for whom one could say polygamy is an actual choice. The vast, overwhelming majority of potential polygamists in this country do not fit that profile, however, as their desire for polygamy stems from knuckle-dragging primitive cultural practices rooted in ancient ways, and are deeply misogynistic in nature. Polygamy is part of an entire system -- a system with so many layers of pressure, intimidation and coercion that in order to address the rights of the women involved, we need to address the entire system.

One of the strengths of our country lies in the way we act as a melting pot. All those who advocate that the pot should no longer melt are doing great harm to our society, for when primitive people living in the stone age encouraged to stay that way, our entire culture becomes fractured, and all the rights progressive people have fought for over the centuries are tossed out the window by myopic individuals who somehow think the preservation of primitivism is actually some sort of progress. It isn't. It is simply myopia. .

Consent is still a backbone of marriage
It is why you are officially married after each partner gives consent

Women can be forced by their families or communities into marriage whether it is monogamous or polygamous. If the surrounding community is that strong, consent will be questioned regardless

The best a society can do is verify that the partners are of legal age and are giving consent to the marriage. Beyond that, they should stay out of a personal decision

 

[RKMBrown]

I have no problem with polygamy so long as they can afford their lifestyle without begging the taxpayer to help support them. There was a Mormon polygamist family on welfare and that to me is absolute horse crap.

So no thoughts for the children these polygamists have and the unique form of child abuse that occurs from this lifestyle? That's men for you, thinking only about the variety of sex they can have and not the consequences.

Having lived in Utah for 8 years I can tell you these kids suffer greatly.
Especially if they try to leave the cult and join the outside world.

NoTeaPartyPleez

Thanks for posting this. I have a gay friend who lived in Salt Lake and has said the same thing.

IMO, what goes on between consenting adults, its no one's business but theirs and I really don't care. But yes, I agree completely that we must protect children. And women who are forced into the lifestyle as children.

This is why I DESPISE slime like Ted Nugent, Warren Jeffs and the lying SOB on Duck Dynasty, Phil Robertson. They champion child molestation as though it means little or nothing. Its meaningless to them but life-changing for their victims.

I've watched a few of the episodes of Sister Wives and two things have seemed obvious to me.

One is that the "husband" is a lazy bum, living off the work of his "wives".

Second is that only one of the women is actually married. That means the children of three of those so-called wives are bastards, illegitimate. While its true that most people don't seem to care much about the legitimacy of children anymore, we have no way of knowing what what their lives will be because of their parents' choices.

Children is the only real reason I know of why we cannot allow polygamy.

If someone is forcing children to marry then by all means prosecute that act
But prosecuting consenting adults does not help children

If we allow polygamy, then all children of the relationship will be legitimate....they will be better off than they are now

You use the word "consenting" as if it were actually that simple. It isn't. In the 1850's, it was common for house slaves to express their preference for their current condition over emancipation, and that was used by pro-slavery lawyers at the time as reason for continuing the practice. Those opposed to slavery, however, pointed out that slavery involved an entire system, and so could not be addressed according to any singular interaction.

I imagine you conjure up an image of some hippy dippy freakaziods who want to engage in an alternate lifestyle where one man marries two or more women. There are, indeed, a few of these people living in our society, and for whom one could say polygamy is an actual choice. The vast, overwhelming majority of potential polygamists in this country do not fit that profile, however, as their desire for polygamy stems from knuckle-dragging primitive cultural practices rooted in ancient ways, and are deeply misogynistic in nature. Polygamy is part of an entire system -- a system with so many layers of pressure, intimidation and coercion that in order to address the rights of the women involved, we need to address the entire system.

One of the strengths of our country lies in the way we act as a melting pot. All those who advocate that the pot should no longer melt are doing great harm to our society, for when primitive people living in the stone age encouraged to stay that way, our entire culture becomes fractured, and all the rights progressive people have fought for over the centuries are tossed out the window by myopic individuals who somehow think the preservation of primitivism is actually some sort of progress. It isn't. It is simply myopia. .

Consent is still a backbone of marriage
It is why you are officially married after each partner gives consent

Women can be forced by their families or communities into marriage whether it is monogamous or polygamous. If the surrounding community is that strong, consent will be questioned regardless

The best a society can do is verify that the partners are of legal age and are giving consent to the marriage. Beyond that, they should stay out of a personal decision

Dog is one of those "authoritarians" who claim freedom means freedom to harm others. (which if course is a vile lie...)

Gotta love it when these "folks" claim their laws restricting gay marriage and/or polygamy are no different than laws stopping rapes, thus if we let gays or polygamists get married that's the same as letting rapes go unpunished.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Dog is one of those "authoritarians" who claim freedom means freedom to harm others. (which if course is a vile lie...)

Gotta love it when these jerks claim their laws restricting gay marriage and/or polygamy are no different than laws stopping rapes, thus if we let gays or polygamists get married that's the same as letting rapes go unpunished.

I have been quite consistent in advocating for gay rights, so your lie about me as well as personal attack here in the clean debate zone only undermines whatever position you might claim.

 

[RKMBrown]

I have been quite consistent in advocating for gay rights, so your lie about me as well as personal attack here in the clean debate zone only undermines whatever position you might claim.

did not see the cdz tag... I've "clarified" my argument for you. You can explain your equivocation between polygamy and rape any way you wish. But it's good to see that you only want to punish polygamists in this way and not both gays and polygamists.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I have been quite consistent in advocating for gay rights, so your lie about me as well as personal attack here in the clean debate zone only undermines whatever position you might claim.

did not see the cdz tag... I've "clarified" my argument for you. You can explain your equivocation between polygamy and rape any way you wish. But it's good to see that you only want to punish polygamists in this way and not both gays and polygamists.

Since I said nothing about rape, you still seem more interested in mischaracterizing what I said than understanding it.

Some things are not so simple as people wish to make them. Perhaps you are simply quite ignorant of all the myriad ways girls are pressured in some societies to "consent" to polygamy, but consent under pressure is no true consent.

 

[rightwinger]

I have been quite consistent in advocating for gay rights, so your lie about me as well as personal attack here in the clean debate zone only undermines whatever position you might claim.

did not see the cdz tag... I've "clarified" my argument for you. You can explain your equivocation between polygamy and rape any way you wish. But it's good to see that you only want to punish polygamists in this way and not both gays and polygamists.

Since I said nothing about rape, you still seem more interested in mischaracterizing what I said than understanding it.

Some things are not so simple as people wish to make them. Perhaps you are simply quite ignorant of all the myriad ways girls are pressured in some societies to "consent" to polygamy, but consent under pressure is no true consent.

Girls are also pressured in monogamy

If a girl is raised in a tight mormon, muslim or fundamentalist community she will still be told who she should marry. If the church elder has his eyes on your daughter, she will still be pressured to marry whether it is polygamy or not

 

[Pop23]

Why it is still illegal? if polygamy is a part of your religion? I'm not talking about compounds with prophets assigning wives to old men, I mean families that are just trying to follow their beliefs, no abuse. Ok I have a new question: If polygamy is illegal, meaning you cannot marry more than one person, then why do families living in the suburbs face arrests and criminal charges for practicing it even though legally the man is only married to 1 woman. Say a man is sleeping with his secretary and she get's pregnant and he has children from his wife and now his secretary, why does he not get arrested?
You must admit that all this legalization of homosexual marriages is to lead to allowing polygamy in the US.
Who cares?
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I have no problem with polygamy so long as they can afford their lifestyle without begging the taxpayer to help support them. There was a Mormon polygamist family on welfare and that to me is absolute horse crap.

So no thoughts for the children these polygamists have and the unique form of child abuse that occurs from this lifestyle? That's men for you, thinking only about the variety of sex they can have and not the consequences.

Having lived in Utah for 8 years I can tell you these kids suffer greatly.
Especially if they try to leave the cult and join the outside world.

1. Who says a women can't have multiple husbands or multiple women can't have multiple husbands. Polygamy is more than one man - multiple wives.

2. Why would I care what your experience was. You have a jaded perspective. You just think it's icky.

 

[HenryBHough]

So much depends on demographics.

In most countries the male/female ratio manages to balance itself out (though not perfectly) all by itself.

In India and China there are wide disparities as gender selective abortions are common. Indeed, in China, almost the norm because of now fading but still existing "one child" laws. In Japan the disparity is not in raw numbers but is attributed to educated women eschewing marriage altogether!

It has been shown that in cases of wide disparity with a surplus of males prostitution becomes rampant and crime, particularly rape and abuse, get out of control.

Stretch your mind to the fullest extent your party allows. Can you imagine a society in which plural marriage (one woman, two or more males) are not just accepted but encouraged or mandated?

Before replying, please re-read the paragraph immediately above and consider whether you're up to the challenge.

 

[RKMBrown]

I have been quite consistent in advocating for gay rights, so your lie about me as well as personal attack here in the clean debate zone only undermines whatever position you might claim.

did not see the cdz tag... I've "clarified" my argument for you. You can explain your equivocation between polygamy and rape any way you wish. But it's good to see that you only want to punish polygamists in this way and not both gays and polygamists.

Since I said nothing about rape, you still seem more interested in mischaracterizing what I said than understanding it.

Some things are not so simple as people wish to make them. Perhaps you are simply quite ignorant of all the myriad ways girls are pressured in some societies to "consent" to polygamy, but consent under pressure is no true consent.

I probably mixed your comments with another posters. My apologies.


Yes, consent under pressure or force of law, or guns, is not true consent. But here we are with laws that force people to consent to pay taxes, force people to give up their home grown weed, and put polygamists in jail because "some" polygamists used pressure. Funny how pressure is ok when it's backed by the law but not ok when some puritans think that the act will despoil their society.