vincubus
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Following your posts, it seems that your focus on Christian structure, has diverted you from the purpose of that structure. How do you distinguish between God and the church, or society, or culture, when you refuse to face conscience as an individual? No club, group, or society, is going to get you into heaven, by itself, neither are your perceptions limited to theirs. Your relationship to the Powers that be, is as an individual first, all else is secondary. Everyone is so tempted in selling their brand, that we fail to recognize that all of our perspectives are limited. Through Conscience we communicate with our maker, King Solomon once used the term "Sincerity of Heart". There is no one to lead you by the nose in matters of conscience, but your own being. The names or words you use when you pray, your concern.
How can I prove God exists to someone that doesn't want God to be real? Why wouldn't someone want God to be real? What burden would instill such determination? As an Individual I believe that there is little beyond the grasp of reconciliation. I believe that God's Purpose for creating each on of us trumps all of our screw ups, our reason for being is more important that the tangents we choose. I believe, as an Individual, that the message from birth, is and has always been, (God) seek Me first, in all things, return to me when you find yourself in error, and it will be healed.
How can I prove God exists.... how does one share in God's presence? Should I find myself in a Lightening storm on the beach at Robert Moses State Park, at natures mercy, should I find myself in a life and death situation of any kind, my first response is to pray, and cleanse, while focusing on doing what needs to be done.
I'll tell you that one thing I will never again do in my life is blame God, for what we do to each other, with the free will He gave us.
no one can prove their god. that is where faith comes in. faith creates existence. that faith is a subjective, individual force, and yet christians especially are prone to tell others that there god IS god, and do so lacking any shred of proof. you have done it also. and when pressed to offer proof that is stand alone and objective, y'all cannot, and backpeddle into the truth, and that is that your god is only subjective. then stop telling others that your god is the god. smile.
not only do y'all tell others that your god is the god, then y'all all but demand (and in some cases that to) that others live by your gods standards. without being able to objectively prove your god. others have their own gods, or dont accept your god. some, like me, had worshiped your god, and now have jettisoned ourselves from that system, and will not return to our vomit. we reject heaven. and....sigh....y'all cannot...cannot seem to grasp that you must talk to others from where they are. the concept of hell in its present form is pagan in origins and evolved over the years. i have been threatened with hell, even though i had emphatically stated i do not believe in hell!! Lol! i am not a christian, and yet you talk to me of your heaven and how i cannot get there but one way. do not y 'all listen? do not y'all have the ability to unthink your doctrine when dealing with others?
i do not not believe in your god, but i believe in my own version. fortunately, my own version doesn't demand i pester others with it, doesn't demand anyone sacrifice, and doesn't tell me i must shun, condemn, hate, or condescend to others.
christianity can be a decent religion. christians, some of them, are another story. i will attack the haters, the frauds, the abusers where they live, and that is in their religion. that is their shell of deceit and yes, i do have the right to judge. i too have read y'alls book.
A little angry at the world are we? Is this as Caffine or medication issue? I have no issue with the name one calls God by, or the words they use when they pray. I am not concerned with denomination or brand, Christian or non christian. The only place I would direct you is toand through your own conscience. Why the need to throw stones at others? You might also want to work on your reading retention. You have no obligation to me or anyone else, piss your life away screwing with others if you will, you alone are responsible for where, whin, and if you find yourself. Have a nice day. I owe, Iowe, so off to work I go.
i dont know. are you a little angry at the world? i am not, it is just a twirling ball of rock, water and mud spinning through the universe at a brisk clip. ohhhh...you mean am i angry at ppl? ppl are mean, spiteful, arrogant, selfish, trite and hateful. they are also magnanimous, warm, compassionate, intelligent and open minded. in short, they are behaving just as they are intended to, and that is perfection. i dont hate perfection. however, if we stand around while there are injustices done, like those perpetrated by bullies, the ignorant, and the low level sociopaths, then we are by our inaction complicit in their actions.
if yoiur definition of being angry at the "world" means standing up for those oppressed, then sure, i am angry at the world. that you so easily slot me into such a catagory based on the flimsiest of circumstance indicates to me you have a closed mind. i would prefer that you prove that wrong.