What Mahatma Gandhi said about the forced settlement of European Jews in Palestine

[talksalot]

As long as it is not in their homeland but someplace else like Jordan.

Which is EXACTLY my original point on this thread. This is what Gandhi was saying. That the Jewish people can't have a home in their homeland. That the Jewish homeland is the diaspora. This is wrong. It is hypocritical.

If the Arab Palestinian homeland is not in Jordan, then the Jewish homeland is certainly not in Poland.

If we are to apply that concept equally there is only one solution. BOTH the Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian people should have a national home in their homeland. Its not rocket science.

If the Arab Palestinian homeland is not in Jordan, then the Jewish homeland is certainly not in Poland.

You are nuts. Most Palestinians had never been to Jordan. Most, virtually all, of the original Israelis were actually from Poland, etc..

Poland? Is that why they are called Israelis? The Jewish homeland is Israel. Always has been. Has there ever been a country of Palestine?

 

[Shusha]

You are nuts. Most Palestinians had never been to Jordan. Most, virtually all, of the original Israelis were actually from Poland, etc..

Let's put it another way. The original Arab Palestinians were from Chile.

 

[fncceo]

The partition of India, which Gandhi was a prime architect, saw millions of Hindus and Muslims forcibly relocated and was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths due to communal violence.

That partition still isn't settled and is the root of ongoing violence between India and Pakistan.

 

[admonit]

...it took 45 years after the independence for India to allow Israeli Embassy in New Delhi, it was because of India's principled solidarity with the Palestinian cause that was against the forced settlement of Israelis in the Palestinian territory. And the origin behind this principled stand can be traced back to Mahatma Gandhi, our Father of the Nation, who believed that Israelis could settle in Palestine only with the permission from Arabs and it was wrong for them to enter with the might of the British gun....

But, he draws a line here saying his sympathy for the Jews cannot blind him to the requirements of justice.

He writes in his write-up, The Jews, in Harijan, "The cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me." He says that Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French and it is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs."

Mahatma Gandhi says the settlement of the Jews in the Palestinian territory is akin to a religious act that rules out use of force, "The Palestine of the Biblical conception is not a geographical tract. It is in their hearts. But if they must look to the Palestine of geography as their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of the British gun. A religious act cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb. They can settle in Palestine only by the goodwill of the Arabs....
Why Mahatma Gandhi said no to forced settlement of Israelis in Palestine

Gandhi was a great man; the face of non-violent protest.

There are other "great" quotes by Mahatma Gandhi.

'I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions... If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourselves, man, woman, and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them.'

'Hitler killed five million Jews. It is the greatest crime of our time. But the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher's knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs... It would have aroused the world and the people of Germany... As it is they succumbed anyway in their millions.'
Gandhi believed this act of "collective suicide", in response to the Holocaust, "would have been heroism".

Mahatma Gandhi - Wikipedia

 

[RoccoR]

RE: What Mahatma Gandhi said about the forced settlement of European Jews in Palestine
※→ abi, et al,

That is a theory that has been proven wrong time and time again.

I read someplace a long time ago that the common thread to so called terrorism was not religion but occupation/colonialism. The message sent was get the fuck out.

Terrorism is a name calling thing by the colonizers/occupiers.

(COMMENT)

9/11 World Trade Center: All were Saudi Arabian. Target America. No Saudi suffered at the hands of America.

• The Saudi's had no beef with America.
• America Occupied no Arab Territory.​

Terrorists love to draw this causal connection; and the logic sounds great. But the correlation between "occupation" and "terrorism" is not evidence of that one causes the other.

"Vi gir oss ikke frivillig, kampen er allerede i gang"
"We will not submit voluntarily; the struggle is already underway."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Norwegian Resistance (1940-1945)
​

There is a very strong correlation between "wars" (conflicts) and the use of "terrorism." But even in WWII, the Free Resistance Movements, the principle service was to engage in personnel recovery, intelligence collection, and performing in diversionary tactics. Even though the organizations of the SOE preferred the more flashy sabotage and raids --- such engagements caused adverse consequences against civilians elsewhere. This was true in both the wars in Europe and the Pacific. And it is just as true in the Middle East.

The use of "terrorism" is not about the "occupation." It is about power and wealth; using the "occupation mantra" as a means of concealing the hidden agenda.

One of the mysteries of the current war in Gaza can be seen in the photos coming out of the tiny enclave: On the one hand, there is the desolation and squalor of Gaza neighborhoods where hundreds of thousands of Gazans live, and on the other, pictures of the homes owned by Hamas’s top officials, complete with gym equipment and fancy furniture, or else images of the five-star hotel suites where they stay.
√ SOURCE LINK -]

Supporting Link
• As Gazans suffer poverty and war, Khaled Mashal and Ismail Haniyeh build their wealth.

Most wars and conflict have a "good versus evil" component embedded with it. In the Israel-Palestine conflict, the heroism of the "terrorist" is shrouded in the enveloping concealment of patriotism (the good) versus the Israeli Occupation (cast as the bad).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: What Mahatma Gandhi said about the forced settlement of European Jews in Palestine
※→ abi, et al,

That is a theory that has been proven wrong time and time again.

I read someplace a long time ago that the common thread to so called terrorism was not religion but occupation/colonialism. The message sent was get the fuck out.

Terrorism is a name calling thing by the colonizers/occupiers.

(COMMENT)

9/11 World Trade Center: All were Saudi Arabian. Target America. No Saudi suffered at the hands of America.

• The Saudi's had no beef with America.
• America Occupied no Arab Territory.​

Terrorists love to draw this causal connection; and the logic sounds great. But the correlation between "occupation" and "terrorism" is not evidence of that one causes the other.

View attachment 162727

"Vi gir oss ikke frivillig, kampen er allerede i gang"
"We will not submit voluntarily; the struggle is already underway."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Norwegian Resistance (1940-1945)
​

There is a very strong correlation between "wars" (conflicts) and the use of "terrorism." But even in WWII, the Free Resistance Movements, the principle service was to engage in personnel recovery, intelligence collection, and performing in diversionary tactics. Even though the organizations of the SOE preferred the more flashy sabotage and raids --- such engagements caused adverse consequences against civilians elsewhere. This was true in both the wars in Europe and the Pacific. And it is just as true in the Middle East.

The use of "terrorism" is not about the "occupation." It is about power and wealth; using the "occupation mantra" as a means of concealing the hidden agenda.

One of the mysteries of the current war in Gaza can be seen in the photos coming out of the tiny enclave: On the one hand, there is the desolation and squalor of Gaza neighborhoods where hundreds of thousands of Gazans live, and on the other, pictures of the homes owned by Hamas’s top officials, complete with gym equipment and fancy furniture, or else images of the five-star hotel suites where they stay.
√ SOURCE LINK -]

Supporting Link
• As Gazans suffer poverty and war, Khaled Mashal and Ismail Haniyeh build their wealth.

Most wars and conflict have a "good versus evil" component embedded with it. In the Israel-Palestine conflict, the heroism of the "terrorist" is shrouded in the enveloping concealment of patriotism (the good) versus the Israeli Occupation (cast as the bad).

Most Respectfully,
R

Terrorists love to draw this causal connection; and the logic sounds great. But the correlation between "occupation" and "terrorism" is not evidence of that one causes the other.

Some people want us to believe that so called terrorism and hate are created in a vacuum, that it is not from a legitimate beef, but from some mental disorder, or it is in their DNA.

Look at all the propaganda about Hamas. The fact is that Jews are safer in Gaza than they are in Israel.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: What Mahatma Gandhi said about the forced settlement of European Jews in Palestine
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This changes the center of the discussion.

this is a great example of the fear intended to coerce the Israelis. It will not work any better for the Hostile Arab Palestinians than did attacks during the American Indian Wars (1811 - 1865).

Some people want us to believe that so called terrorism and hate are created in a vacuum, that it is not from a legitimate beef, but from some mental disorder, or it is in their DNA.

Look at all the propaganda about Hamas. The fact is that Jews are safer in Gaza than they are in Israel.

(COMMENT)

• Terrorism, "that is the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims," is very much alive and we'll as a tactic employed by:

√ al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade (AAMB)
√ PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)
√ Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLF)
√ Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
√ Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
√ Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades
√ Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS)
√ Harakat al-Sabireen
√ Popular Resistance Committee (PRC)
√ Salah al-Din Brigades​

• To not see these organizations, and know that they have a violent history, is to be blind. My favorate example of a terrorist act incited by the Ramallah Government took place on 21 July 2017:

A 19-year old Palestinian assailant climbed a fence and infiltrated the Israeli settlement village of Halamish during Shabbat on July 21, 2017. The teen attacker broke into a home where an Israeli family had just finished Shabbat dinner and stabbed three of the family members to death, seriously injuring a fourth.​

• Ask yourself, what practical military value was this attack?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

RE: What Mahatma Gandhi said about the forced settlement of European Jews in Palestine
※→ abi, et al,

That is a theory that has been proven wrong time and time again.

I read someplace a long time ago that the common thread to so called terrorism was not religion but occupation/colonialism. The message sent was get the fuck out.

Terrorism is a name calling thing by the colonizers/occupiers.

(COMMENT)

9/11 World Trade Center: All were Saudi Arabian. Target America. No Saudi suffered at the hands of America.

• The Saudi's had no beef with America.
• America Occupied no Arab Territory.​

Terrorists love to draw this causal connection; and the logic sounds great. But the correlation between "occupation" and "terrorism" is not evidence of that one causes the other.

View attachment 162727

"Vi gir oss ikke frivillig, kampen er allerede i gang"
"We will not submit voluntarily; the struggle is already underway."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Norwegian Resistance (1940-1945)
​

There is a very strong correlation between "wars" (conflicts) and the use of "terrorism." But even in WWII, the Free Resistance Movements, the principle service was to engage in personnel recovery, intelligence collection, and performing in diversionary tactics. Even though the organizations of the SOE preferred the more flashy sabotage and raids --- such engagements caused adverse consequences against civilians elsewhere. This was true in both the wars in Europe and the Pacific. And it is just as true in the Middle East.

The use of "terrorism" is not about the "occupation." It is about power and wealth; using the "occupation mantra" as a means of concealing the hidden agenda.

One of the mysteries of the current war in Gaza can be seen in the photos coming out of the tiny enclave: On the one hand, there is the desolation and squalor of Gaza neighborhoods where hundreds of thousands of Gazans live, and on the other, pictures of the homes owned by Hamas’s top officials, complete with gym equipment and fancy furniture, or else images of the five-star hotel suites where they stay.
√ SOURCE LINK -]

Supporting Link
• As Gazans suffer poverty and war, Khaled Mashal and Ismail Haniyeh build their wealth.

Most wars and conflict have a "good versus evil" component embedded with it. In the Israel-Palestine conflict, the heroism of the "terrorist" is shrouded in the enveloping concealment of patriotism (the good) versus the Israeli Occupation (cast as the bad).

Most Respectfully,
R

Terrorists love to draw this causal connection; and the logic sounds great. But the correlation between "occupation" and "terrorism" is not evidence of that one causes the other.

Some people want us to believe that so called terrorism and hate are created in a vacuum, that it is not from a legitimate beef, but from some mental disorder, or it is in their DNA.

Look at all the propaganda about Hamas. The fact is that Jews are safer in Gaza than they are in Israel.

I suppose that is because Hamas is not shelling Jewish neighborhoods in Gaza’istan.

 

[Hollie]

RE: What Mahatma Gandhi said about the forced settlement of European Jews in Palestine
※→ abi, et al,

No one has seen such a thing as "invading Jews" for more than two millennium. There has not be a coordinated offensive action by a Jewish/Hebrew military force since the Jewish revolt against Heraclius (Byzantine–Sasanian War of ≈ 602–628 AD); and that was over the attempt by the Jews to to establish a self-governing institution in the same region (old Israel).

Now, there have been Jews represented in nearly every army of every major empire since the time of Emperor Vespasian. In fact, the Roman General that was second-in-command only to Titus, organized the two legions in putting down the Jewish Uprising (Tiberius Julius Alexander); and later was the Roman Prefect of Egypt (66–69 AD).

Ghandi would not have approved of the half-century old tradition of terrorism by the Hostile Arab Palestinians, if he had lived long enough to see how they evolved into the culture of murder that they encourage.

Of course he wouldn't, but none of that would even be an issue had the world heeded his warning:

...it is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs.

And it isn't a Arab tradition as your fantasy paints it; there have been acts of terrorism by Arabs for sure, but this is from a minute percentage of the Arab/Muslim population and as we have seen countless times, they learned this from the invading Jews.

Gandhi was absolutely right in this instance, prophetic even.

(COMMENT)

All organized military forces utilize fear, in some measure, as part of their strategy on an effect advance. The difference between the legitimate use of fear and the use of terrorism is that there is no apparent military objective to the targeting. A suicide bombing of a restaurant has no military value except to provoke a response. The hijacking of a civilian airliner has no military value other than coercion and blackmail.

Inciting, aiding or abetting, and attempting ⇒ are so plain and simple that it almost defies common sense. It is a forum on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. Keep that in mind, there are some acceptable reasoning points that need to be made.

When the talk about the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP), we are talking about --- not all Arab/Muslims, but rather that segment of the Arab Palestinian Community that:

• To counter the influences that refused to make the best possible use of the capacities of the United Nations in areas such as conflict prevention, negotiation, mediation,conciliation, judicial settlement, rule of law, peacekeeping and peace-building, in order to contribute to the successful prevention and peaceful resolution of prolonged unresolved conflicts. This essentially bans the HoAP from Inciting, aiding or abetting, and attempting such negative activities which prevent dialogue, tolerance and understanding among civilizations, cultures, peoples and religions, and to promote mutual respect for and prevent the defamation of religions, religious values, beliefs and cultures.

• HoAP components in the communities that organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities and to take appropriate practical measures to ensure that our respective territories are not used for terrorist installations or training camps, or for the preparation or organization of terrorist acts intended to be committed against other States or their citizens.

• Does not cooperate fully in the fight against terrorism, in accordance with our obligations under international law, in order to find, deny safe haven and bring to
justice, on the basis of the principle of extradite or prosecute, any person who supports, facilitates, participates or attempts to participate in the financing,
planning, preparation or perpetration of terrorist acts or provides safe havens.

• Those HoAP that assist, directly or indirectly, in crimes that might be connected with terrorism, including drug trafficking in all its aspects, illicit arms trade, in particular of small arms and light weapons, including man-portable air defence systems, money-laundering and smuggling other potentially deadly materials;

• Those HoAP that intentionally prevent Article 43 HR measures to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety. That attempt to shield all those HoAP purposely Incite riots and violence supporting those who commit offence which iare solely intended to harm the Occupying Power; and those guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons.​

Those that stand back and openly permit such --- provide any type of assistance to --- HoAP perpetrators are as guilty as the perpetrators themselves.

It doesn't matter where they acquired these abilities; what matters is that the otherwise peaceful Arab Palestinian that aiding or abetting such activity; even if they are not the principal offender. Throw rocks and firebombs that cause grievous bodily harm (GBH) or death, -- or just being with them is ⇒ cause for criminal prosecution.

That makes many, many, many (otherwise) peaceful Arab Palestinians criminal participants. Providing food and shelter to a criminal or terrorist is a form of facilitation in the evading arrest. But, most Arab Paestinians see themselves as beyond the law.

Most Respectfully,
R

The difference between the legitimate use of fear and the use of terrorism is that there is no apparent military objective to the targeting.

I read someplace a long time ago that the common thread to so called terrorism was not religion but occupation/colonialism. The message sent was get the fuck out.

Terrorism is a name calling thing by the colonizers/occupiers.

You should try reading some relevant material. Islamic terrorism is very often directly connected to Islamic ideology. Your Islamic terrorist heroes in Hamas make this very clear. You hope to ignore it, but that will not make the facts go away.

Israel's very existence is anathema to the devout ummah in light of the Hamas claim that all of Israel is an Islamic waqf.

In Islam, the war of gee-had is holy (although it is not seen as war by Moslems) because it is for the purpose of expanding muhammud's domain on Earth. It is commanded of the faithful, and it is a duty imposed on moslems. According to sharia, territories which are gained through gee-had become waqf, and cannot thereafter be given up. They become, literally, an inseverable part of muhammud's dominion, for the sole welfare of Ummah’istan. If territories acquired by Islam are taken by infidels, they must be retaken in gee-had—today, tomorrow, sooner or later. It is a religious obligation. This is because what belongs to muhammud cannot be taken from those who are on Earth to serve him. For this reason, Israel will never have peace with Moslems so long as Islam remains in its current, unreformed state. When Khalifah Omar took Jerusalem in 638 CE, he made the area which is now Israel an Islamic waqf. In their charter, Hamas demonstrates how their right to destroy Israel is simply a religious obligation to muhammud through the principle of waqf:



The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

Article Eleven:

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?

This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.

It happened like this: When the leaders of the Islamic armies conquered Syria and Iraq, they sent to the Caliph of the Moslems, Umar bin-el-Khatab, asking for his advice concerning the conquered land - whether they should divide it among the soldiers, or leave it for its owners, or what? After consultations and discussions between the Caliph of the Moslems, Omar bin-el-Khatab and companions of the Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, it was decided that the land should be left with its owners who could benefit by its fruit. As for the real ownership of the land and the land itself, it should be consecrated for Moslem generations till Judgement Day. Those who are on the land, are there only to benefit from its fruit. This Waqf remains as long as earth and heaven remain. Any procedure in contradiction to Islamic Sharia, where Palestine is concerned, is null and void.

"Verily, this is a certain truth. Wherefore praise the name of thy Lord, the great Allah." (The Inevitable - verse 95).

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: What Mahatma Gandhi said about the forced settlement of European Jews in Palestine
※→ abi, et al,

That is a theory that has been proven wrong time and time again.

I read someplace a long time ago that the common thread to so called terrorism was not religion but occupation/colonialism. The message sent was get the fuck out.

Terrorism is a name calling thing by the colonizers/occupiers.

(COMMENT)

9/11 World Trade Center: All were Saudi Arabian. Target America. No Saudi suffered at the hands of America.

• The Saudi's had no beef with America.
• America Occupied no Arab Territory.​

Terrorists love to draw this causal connection; and the logic sounds great. But the correlation between "occupation" and "terrorism" is not evidence of that one causes the other.

View attachment 162727

"Vi gir oss ikke frivillig, kampen er allerede i gang"
"We will not submit voluntarily; the struggle is already underway."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Norwegian Resistance (1940-1945)
​

There is a very strong correlation between "wars" (conflicts) and the use of "terrorism." But even in WWII, the Free Resistance Movements, the principle service was to engage in personnel recovery, intelligence collection, and performing in diversionary tactics. Even though the organizations of the SOE preferred the more flashy sabotage and raids --- such engagements caused adverse consequences against civilians elsewhere. This was true in both the wars in Europe and the Pacific. And it is just as true in the Middle East.

The use of "terrorism" is not about the "occupation." It is about power and wealth; using the "occupation mantra" as a means of concealing the hidden agenda.

One of the mysteries of the current war in Gaza can be seen in the photos coming out of the tiny enclave: On the one hand, there is the desolation and squalor of Gaza neighborhoods where hundreds of thousands of Gazans live, and on the other, pictures of the homes owned by Hamas’s top officials, complete with gym equipment and fancy furniture, or else images of the five-star hotel suites where they stay.
√ SOURCE LINK -]

Supporting Link
• As Gazans suffer poverty and war, Khaled Mashal and Ismail Haniyeh build their wealth.

Most wars and conflict have a "good versus evil" component embedded with it. In the Israel-Palestine conflict, the heroism of the "terrorist" is shrouded in the enveloping concealment of patriotism (the good) versus the Israeli Occupation (cast as the bad).

Most Respectfully,
R

Terrorists love to draw this causal connection; and the logic sounds great. But the correlation between "occupation" and "terrorism" is not evidence of that one causes the other.

Some people want us to believe that so called terrorism and hate are created in a vacuum, that it is not from a legitimate beef, but from some mental disorder, or it is in their DNA.

Look at all the propaganda about Hamas. The fact is that Jews are safer in Gaza than they are in Israel.

I suppose that is because Hamas is not shelling Jewish neighborhoods in Gaza’istan.

Nice deflection, but what I said is true.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: What Mahatma Gandhi said about the forced settlement of European Jews in Palestine
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This changes the center of the discussion.

this is a great example of the fear intended to coerce the Israelis. It will not work any better for the Hostile Arab Palestinians than did attacks during the American Indian Wars (1811 - 1865).

Some people want us to believe that so called terrorism and hate are created in a vacuum, that it is not from a legitimate beef, but from some mental disorder, or it is in their DNA.

Look at all the propaganda about Hamas. The fact is that Jews are safer in Gaza than they are in Israel.

(COMMENT)

• Terrorism, "that is the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims," is very much alive and we'll as a tactic employed by:

√ al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade (AAMB)
√ PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)
√ Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLF)
√ Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
√ Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
√ Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades
√ Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS)
√ Harakat al-Sabireen
√ Popular Resistance Committee (PRC)
√ Salah al-Din Brigades​

• To not see these organizations, and know that they have a violent history, is to be blind. My favorate example of a terrorist act incited by the Ramallah Government took place on 21 July 2017:

A 19-year old Palestinian assailant climbed a fence and infiltrated the Israeli settlement village of Halamish during Shabbat on July 21, 2017. The teen attacker broke into a home where an Israeli family had just finished Shabbat dinner and stabbed three of the family members to death, seriously injuring a fourth.​

• Ask yourself, what practical military value was this attack?

Most Respectfully,
R

WOW, you have really bought into that terrorism shit. Must be that government employee attitude. You people think funny like that.

 

[Hollie]

RE: What Mahatma Gandhi said about the forced settlement of European Jews in Palestine
※→ abi, et al,

That is a theory that has been proven wrong time and time again.

I read someplace a long time ago that the common thread to so called terrorism was not religion but occupation/colonialism. The message sent was get the fuck out.

Terrorism is a name calling thing by the colonizers/occupiers.

(COMMENT)

9/11 World Trade Center: All were Saudi Arabian. Target America. No Saudi suffered at the hands of America.

• The Saudi's had no beef with America.
• America Occupied no Arab Territory.​

Terrorists love to draw this causal connection; and the logic sounds great. But the correlation between "occupation" and "terrorism" is not evidence of that one causes the other.

View attachment 162727

"Vi gir oss ikke frivillig, kampen er allerede i gang"
"We will not submit voluntarily; the struggle is already underway."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Norwegian Resistance (1940-1945)
​

There is a very strong correlation between "wars" (conflicts) and the use of "terrorism." But even in WWII, the Free Resistance Movements, the principle service was to engage in personnel recovery, intelligence collection, and performing in diversionary tactics. Even though the organizations of the SOE preferred the more flashy sabotage and raids --- such engagements caused adverse consequences against civilians elsewhere. This was true in both the wars in Europe and the Pacific. And it is just as true in the Middle East.

The use of "terrorism" is not about the "occupation." It is about power and wealth; using the "occupation mantra" as a means of concealing the hidden agenda.

One of the mysteries of the current war in Gaza can be seen in the photos coming out of the tiny enclave: On the one hand, there is the desolation and squalor of Gaza neighborhoods where hundreds of thousands of Gazans live, and on the other, pictures of the homes owned by Hamas’s top officials, complete with gym equipment and fancy furniture, or else images of the five-star hotel suites where they stay.
√ SOURCE LINK -]

Supporting Link
• As Gazans suffer poverty and war, Khaled Mashal and Ismail Haniyeh build their wealth.

Most wars and conflict have a "good versus evil" component embedded with it. In the Israel-Palestine conflict, the heroism of the "terrorist" is shrouded in the enveloping concealment of patriotism (the good) versus the Israeli Occupation (cast as the bad).

Most Respectfully,
R

Terrorists love to draw this causal connection; and the logic sounds great. But the correlation between "occupation" and "terrorism" is not evidence of that one causes the other.

Some people want us to believe that so called terrorism and hate are created in a vacuum, that it is not from a legitimate beef, but from some mental disorder, or it is in their DNA.

Look at all the propaganda about Hamas. The fact is that Jews are safer in Gaza than they are in Israel.

I suppose that is because Hamas is not shelling Jewish neighborhoods in Gaza’istan.

Nice deflection, but what I said is true.

Actually, what you wrote was not true as we have the Hamas Charter with clear references to gee-had and its manifestation of Islamic terrorism as a religious duty.

Nice attempt at deflection and denial on your part but obviously, Hamas was correct in firing you as their Minister of Propaganda.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: What Mahatma Gandhi said about the forced settlement of European Jews in Palestine
※→ abi, et al,

That is a theory that has been proven wrong time and time again.

I read someplace a long time ago that the common thread to so called terrorism was not religion but occupation/colonialism. The message sent was get the fuck out.

Terrorism is a name calling thing by the colonizers/occupiers.

(COMMENT)

9/11 World Trade Center: All were Saudi Arabian. Target America. No Saudi suffered at the hands of America.

• The Saudi's had no beef with America.
• America Occupied no Arab Territory.​

Terrorists love to draw this causal connection; and the logic sounds great. But the correlation between "occupation" and "terrorism" is not evidence of that one causes the other.

View attachment 162727

"Vi gir oss ikke frivillig, kampen er allerede i gang"
"We will not submit voluntarily; the struggle is already underway."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Norwegian Resistance (1940-1945)
​

There is a very strong correlation between "wars" (conflicts) and the use of "terrorism." But even in WWII, the Free Resistance Movements, the principle service was to engage in personnel recovery, intelligence collection, and performing in diversionary tactics. Even though the organizations of the SOE preferred the more flashy sabotage and raids --- such engagements caused adverse consequences against civilians elsewhere. This was true in both the wars in Europe and the Pacific. And it is just as true in the Middle East.

The use of "terrorism" is not about the "occupation." It is about power and wealth; using the "occupation mantra" as a means of concealing the hidden agenda.

One of the mysteries of the current war in Gaza can be seen in the photos coming out of the tiny enclave: On the one hand, there is the desolation and squalor of Gaza neighborhoods where hundreds of thousands of Gazans live, and on the other, pictures of the homes owned by Hamas’s top officials, complete with gym equipment and fancy furniture, or else images of the five-star hotel suites where they stay.
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• As Gazans suffer poverty and war, Khaled Mashal and Ismail Haniyeh build their wealth.

Most wars and conflict have a "good versus evil" component embedded with it. In the Israel-Palestine conflict, the heroism of the "terrorist" is shrouded in the enveloping concealment of patriotism (the good) versus the Israeli Occupation (cast as the bad).

Most Respectfully,
R

Terrorists love to draw this causal connection; and the logic sounds great. But the correlation between "occupation" and "terrorism" is not evidence of that one causes the other.

Some people want us to believe that so called terrorism and hate are created in a vacuum, that it is not from a legitimate beef, but from some mental disorder, or it is in their DNA.

Look at all the propaganda about Hamas. The fact is that Jews are safer in Gaza than they are in Israel.

I suppose that is because Hamas is not shelling Jewish neighborhoods in Gaza’istan.

Nice deflection, but what I said is true.

Actually, what you wrote was not true as we have the Hamas Charter with clear references to gee-had and its manifestation of Islamic terrorism as a religious duty.

Nice attempt at deflection and denial on your part but obviously, Hamas was correct in firing you as their Minister of Propaganda.

What are the statistics? How many Jews killed in Israel? How many Jews killed in Gaza?

 

[JoelT1]

RE: What Mahatma Gandhi said about the forced settlement of European Jews in Palestine
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This changes the center of the discussion.

this is a great example of the fear intended to coerce the Israelis. It will not work any better for the Hostile Arab Palestinians than did attacks during the American Indian Wars (1811 - 1865).

Some people want us to believe that so called terrorism and hate are created in a vacuum, that it is not from a legitimate beef, but from some mental disorder, or it is in their DNA.

Look at all the propaganda about Hamas. The fact is that Jews are safer in Gaza than they are in Israel.

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• Terrorism, "that is the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims," is very much alive and we'll as a tactic employed by:

√ al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade (AAMB)
√ PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)
√ Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLF)
√ Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
√ Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
√ Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades
√ Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS)
√ Harakat al-Sabireen
√ Popular Resistance Committee (PRC)
√ Salah al-Din Brigades​

• To not see these organizations, and know that they have a violent history, is to be blind. My favorate example of a terrorist act incited by the Ramallah Government took place on 21 July 2017:

A 19-year old Palestinian assailant climbed a fence and infiltrated the Israeli settlement village of Halamish during Shabbat on July 21, 2017. The teen attacker broke into a home where an Israeli family had just finished Shabbat dinner and stabbed three of the family members to death, seriously injuring a fourth.​

• Ask yourself, what practical military value was this attack?

Most Respectfully,
R

WOW, you have really bought into that terrorism shit. Must be that government employee attitude. You people think funny like that.

Arabs: Israel embraces a culture of peace Member of Saudi delegation: Israeli society wants peace

 

[Hollie]

RE: What Mahatma Gandhi said about the forced settlement of European Jews in Palestine
※→ abi, et al,

That is a theory that has been proven wrong time and time again.

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9/11 World Trade Center: All were Saudi Arabian. Target America. No Saudi suffered at the hands of America.

• The Saudi's had no beef with America.
• America Occupied no Arab Territory.​

Terrorists love to draw this causal connection; and the logic sounds great. But the correlation between "occupation" and "terrorism" is not evidence of that one causes the other.

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"Vi gir oss ikke frivillig, kampen er allerede i gang"
"We will not submit voluntarily; the struggle is already underway."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Norwegian Resistance (1940-1945)
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There is a very strong correlation between "wars" (conflicts) and the use of "terrorism." But even in WWII, the Free Resistance Movements, the principle service was to engage in personnel recovery, intelligence collection, and performing in diversionary tactics. Even though the organizations of the SOE preferred the more flashy sabotage and raids --- such engagements caused adverse consequences against civilians elsewhere. This was true in both the wars in Europe and the Pacific. And it is just as true in the Middle East.

The use of "terrorism" is not about the "occupation." It is about power and wealth; using the "occupation mantra" as a means of concealing the hidden agenda.

​

Most wars and conflict have a "good versus evil" component embedded with it. In the Israel-Palestine conflict, the heroism of the "terrorist" is shrouded in the enveloping concealment of patriotism (the good) versus the Israeli Occupation (cast as the bad).

Most Respectfully,
R

Terrorists love to draw this causal connection; and the logic sounds great. But the correlation between "occupation" and "terrorism" is not evidence of that one causes the other.

Some people want us to believe that so called terrorism and hate are created in a vacuum, that it is not from a legitimate beef, but from some mental disorder, or it is in their DNA.

Look at all the propaganda about Hamas. The fact is that Jews are safer in Gaza than they are in Israel.

I suppose that is because Hamas is not shelling Jewish neighborhoods in Gaza’istan.

Nice deflection, but what I said is true.

Actually, what you wrote was not true as we have the Hamas Charter with clear references to gee-had and its manifestation of Islamic terrorism as a religious duty.

Nice attempt at deflection and denial on your part but obviously, Hamas was correct in firing you as their Minister of Propaganda.

What are the statistics? How many Jews killed in Israel? How many Jews killed in Gaza?

How many Jews are in Gaza’istan?

 

[JoelT1]

Way to go Abi, I love it when they shoot themselves in the foot like tha,,,,,, Oh wait, I meant blow themselves up like that.

The fact that the pro pally faction will stoop to no low in an effort to forward their false diatribe is amazing

Um, palestine originated as a Roman name imposed on Jews, about 2000 years ago, reflecting the ancient Jewish heritage of the land

Gandhi never read a history book

 

[P F Tinmore]

Some people want us to believe that so called terrorism and hate are created in a vacuum, that it is not from a legitimate beef, but from some mental disorder, or it is in their DNA.

Look at all the propaganda about Hamas. The fact is that Jews are safer in Gaza than they are in Israel.

I suppose that is because Hamas is not shelling Jewish neighborhoods in Gaza’istan.

Nice deflection, but what I said is true.

Actually, what you wrote was not true as we have the Hamas Charter with clear references to gee-had and its manifestation of Islamic terrorism as a religious duty.

Nice attempt at deflection and denial on your part but obviously, Hamas was correct in firing you as their Minister of Propaganda.

What are the statistics? How many Jews killed in Israel? How many Jews killed in Gaza?

How many Jews are in Gaza’istan?

There are Jews in Gaza all of the time. ISM has Jews. Free Gaza boats had Jews. The convoys had Jews. Delegations had Jews. Code Pink went there several times. Rabis went there. Amira Hass visited Hamas leaders in their offices.

Richard Goldstone was worried about going to Gaza but found the Palestinians to be a warm and friendly people.

Attacks on Jews. 0

 

[Hollie]

I suppose that is because Hamas is not shelling Jewish neighborhoods in Gaza’istan.

Nice deflection, but what I said is true.

Actually, what you wrote was not true as we have the Hamas Charter with clear references to gee-had and its manifestation of Islamic terrorism as a religious duty.

Nice attempt at deflection and denial on your part but obviously, Hamas was correct in firing you as their Minister of Propaganda.

What are the statistics? How many Jews killed in Israel? How many Jews killed in Gaza?

How many Jews are in Gaza’istan?

There are Jews in Gaza all of the time. ISM has Jews. Free Gaza boats had Jews. The convoys had Jews. Delegations had Jews. Code Pink went there several times. Rabis went there. Amira Hass visited Hamas leaders in their offices.

Richard Goldstone was worried about going to Gaza but found the Palestinians to be a warm and friendly people.

Attacks on Jews. 0

You need dance lessons. How many Jews live in Gaza’istan?

 

[Hollie]

I suppose that is because Hamas is not shelling Jewish neighborhoods in Gaza’istan.

Nice deflection, but what I said is true.

Actually, what you wrote was not true as we have the Hamas Charter with clear references to gee-had and its manifestation of Islamic terrorism as a religious duty.

Nice attempt at deflection and denial on your part but obviously, Hamas was correct in firing you as their Minister of Propaganda.

What are the statistics? How many Jews killed in Israel? How many Jews killed in Gaza?

How many Jews are in Gaza’istan?

There are Jews in Gaza all of the time. ISM has Jews. Free Gaza boats had Jews. The convoys had Jews. Delegations had Jews. Code Pink went there several times. Rabis went there. Amira Hass visited Hamas leaders in their offices.

Richard Goldstone was worried about going to Gaza but found the Palestinians to be a warm and friendly people.

Attacks on Jews. 0

Jews available for attacks in Gaza: 0

The World Factbook — Central Intelligence Agency
Religions:

Gaza Strip:
Muslim 98.0 - 99.0% (predominantly Sunni), Christian <1.0%, other, unaffiliated, unspecified <1.0% (2012 est.)
note: dismantlement of Israeli settlements was completed in September 2005; Gaza has had no Jewish population since then
religious affiliation:

 

[JoelT1]

I suppose that is because Hamas is not shelling Jewish neighborhoods in Gaza’istan.

Nice deflection, but what I said is true.

Actually, what you wrote was not true as we have the Hamas Charter with clear references to gee-had and its manifestation of Islamic terrorism as a religious duty.

Nice attempt at deflection and denial on your part but obviously, Hamas was correct in firing you as their Minister of Propaganda.

What are the statistics? How many Jews killed in Israel? How many Jews killed in Gaza?

How many Jews are in Gaza’istan?

There are Jews in Gaza all of the time. ISM has Jews. Free Gaza boats had Jews. The convoys had Jews. Delegations had Jews. Code Pink went there several times. Rabis went there. Amira Hass visited Hamas leaders in their offices.

Richard Goldstone was worried about going to Gaza but found the Palestinians to be a warm and friendly people.

Attacks on Jews. 0

Arabs themselves want “palestinians” gone Abd Al-Bari Atwan: The Arab Leaders Are Praying That Israel Will Get Rid of the Palestinians Once and for All