What Leftism Does to People

[Sky Dancer]

We are discussing Klaven's thesis. So since you don't see anything to discuss in that, could you please read over Option #4 in the poll and do the right thing and mark it?

Well, I don't know if you're a troll and/or numbnut who has nothing constructive to add to the discussion or not. But if you're wondering if the labels you've defined for others meet your preconceived notions of them, I'll save you the suspense: they do. If you're just looking for a tautological circle jerk, I'm sure you'll find many here willing to indulge you.

That's what this OP does. Pre-concieved notion is that any liberal view at all endangers society.

It's prejudice, pure and simple.

I voted neither by the way. I wouldn't want to see this country go all the way to the left or all the way to the right.

 

[Foxfyre]

Funny thing is I don't think you understand the difference between libertarians and conservatives. There is a huge difference just a clue. And modern conservatives really don't want that much change. They just want more change and government for the people who do not think they way they do. Big hint Ron Paul and the original members of the tea party were not modern conservatives.

I know the difference. Do you? The Modern American Conservative is the epitome of the Classical Liberalism of the Founders that we think of as a more conservative libertarianism. The Left often tries to redefine that but they are always wrong or blatantly dishonest when they do so. It is a principle of a government that secures our rights and then leaves us alone to live our lives however we choose to do that.

The Modern American Liberal wants a strong central government that provides a safety net for ALL who need or ask for that and that requires people to live their lives as the liberal thinks is the most constructive and beneficial to all.

Now if you have better definitions let's have them. Otherwise, could we move on and look at Klaven's thesis in something more substantive than the right sucks and liberals are wonderful?

You are bang on by describing modern American Conservatives as the Classical Liberals of old.

I would have much more respect for the left if they came out and called themselves Socialist. That is what they are. So why pretend?

Thank you. I have been arguing that point re Modern American Conservatism for awhile now. I wish we could call ourselves Classical Liberals as it might cut down on some of the confusion on the left, but it probably wouldn't help with most. I do think most Americans on the right fall within that group.

There are those on the right, however, who are NOT Classical Conservatives aka Modern American Conservatives (MACs) though, and it is important to make that distinction. There are some who promote anarchy, which the Tea Party does not, and some who would take justice into their own hands outside the law and the Tea Partiers don't condone that either. Racism and other enforced social agenda has no place in the Tea Party movement either. MACs mostly want a central government strong enough to secure our rights and promote the general welfare while exercising diligent fiscal restraint; then want the federal government to leave us alone to live our lives.

The Left are far more than socialists too. Their broad group ranges from the most authoritarian, even brutal totalitarianism (Lenin, Chairman Mao, et al) and also includes Socialism and Marxism, to notions of government provided 'equality' to pure Communism. Modern American Liberalism includes concepts of all but is its own unique mix of appreciation for individual liberty so long as society is structured to provide equality and justice as the liberal defines those and it looks to a strong central government to accomplish it.

 

[Sky Dancer]

My impression by the OP is that this is a flame thread. The OP is interested in talking to other conservatives who agree with this biased view. The OP is a know it all who thinks they have a nice rigid label box to put people in.

No shades of gray allowed. Everything is very black and white in the OP universe. Everything is abstract and feelingless.

 

[WillowTree]

My impression by the OP is that this is a flame thread. The OP is interested in talking to other conservatives who agree with this biased view. The OP is a know it all who thinks they have a nice rigid label box to put people in.

No shades of gray allowed. Everything is very black and white in the OP universe.

Tissue?

 

[Sky Dancer]

My impression by the OP is that this is a flame thread. The OP is interested in talking to other conservatives who agree with this biased view. The OP is a know it all who thinks they have a nice rigid label box to put people in.

No shades of gray allowed. Everything is very black and white in the OP universe.

Tissue?

You may have all the tissues you need. I can see what "leftism" does to you.

 

[WillowTree]

My impression by the OP is that this is a flame thread. The OP is interested in talking to other conservatives who agree with this biased view. The OP is a know it all who thinks they have a nice rigid label box to put people in.

No shades of gray allowed. Everything is very black and white in the OP universe.

Tissue?

You may have all the tissues you need. I can see what "leftism" does to you.

 

[Foxfyre]

We are discussing Klaven's thesis. So since you don't see anything to discuss in that, could you please read over Option #4 in the poll and do the right thing and mark it?

Well, I don't know if you're a troll and/or numbnut who has nothing constructive to add to the discussion or not. But if you're wondering if the labels you've defined for others meet your preconceived notions of them, I'll save you the suspense: they do. If you're just looking for a tautological circle jerk, I'm sure you'll find many here willing to indulge you.

Ahem. Did you even READ the OP? If not, I suggest that you do so. It is THAT which this thread is about and it and the thread title refer to a particular label. I didn't say there was nothing to discuss. You did. And it was your saying that which I was responding to.

If you don't want to discuss the topic, do the honorable thing and check No. 4. Otherwise, please comment on the OP.

And Sky Dancer can just keep neg repping me which she seems to have taken on as a hobby and it won't change my opinion one bit that those who won't or can't discuss the thesis of a thread are not contributing to the discussion.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Poor Willow. Poor, poor Willow. Have another kleenex.

 

[WillowTree]

Poor Willow. Poor, poor Willow. Have another kleenex.

thank ewe!

 

[Sky Dancer]

We are discussing Klaven's thesis. So since you don't see anything to discuss in that, could you please read over Option #4 in the poll and do the right thing and mark it?

Well, I don't know if you're a troll and/or numbnut who has nothing constructive to add to the discussion or not. But if you're wondering if the labels you've defined for others meet your preconceived notions of them, I'll save you the suspense: they do. If you're just looking for a tautological circle jerk, I'm sure you'll find many here willing to indulge you.

Ahem. Did you even READ the OP? If not, I suggest that you do so. It is THAT which this thread is about and it and the thread title refer to a particular label. I didn't say there was nothing to discuss. You did. And it was your saying that which I was responding to.

If you don't want to discuss the topic, do the honorable thing and check No. 4. Otherwise, please comment on the OP.

And Sky Dancer can just keep neg repping me which she seems to have taken on as a hobby and it won't change my opinion one bit that those who won't or can't discuss the thesis of a thread are not contributing to the discussion.

I neg you when you think you can tell people who can and cannot post on a thread. I neg you for starting a flame thread.

Believe me, if it was a hobby for me to neg rep you, you'd know it. Every other rep I've ever given you was a pos rep.

You've told me NOT to pos rep you, remember?

Still telling people I've sexually hit on you? LIAR

Still telling people I NAMED YOU as the subject of my nightmare? It was Si Modo, not me.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Poor Willow. Poor, poor Willow. Have another kleenex.

thank ewe!

You're welcome darlin'.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Funny how you say let's get back to the topic, while you are off topic.

The topic is Klavan's bozo assertions, which YOU seem to agree with. Andrew Klavan panders to the ultra right. No wonder you take him seriously.

 

[Foxfyre]

Of course the thread topic is that leftism seems to promote disorderly, rude, disruptive, offensive, and destructive behavior. Are we witnessing that on this thread do you think?

In case somebody in addition to Sky missed it. . . .

 

[Sky Dancer]

My heroes have always fought for civil rights, like Gandhi, MLK, Bobby Kennedy, Caesar Chavez, Nelson Mandela, Harvey Milk.

Is the fight for civil rights solely the purvey of the left? Of course not. But who are the right wing heroes of civil rights?

 

[Greenbeard]

Of course the thread topic is that leftism seems to promote disorderly, rude, disruptive, offensive, and destructive behavior. Are we witnessing that on this thread do you think?

Unclear: are you a leftist™? Is that why you posted this flame thread? If so, repent: Leftism™ is bad for people. It makes them awful.

I kid! I understand, you just want to have a meaningful, intellectual discussion about what it is that makes liberals such awful people. And those leftist™ agitators just can't help themselves, streaming in to disrupt such a civil conversation. You're a saint to put up with it!

 

[Sky Dancer]

Of course the thread topic is that leftism seems to promote disorderly, rude, disruptive, offensive, and destructive behavior. Are we witnessing that on this thread do you think?

In case somebody in addition to Sky missed it. . . .

Leftists have and continue to use civil disobedience as a political strategy for making the plight of a cause known.

We challenge authority. We speak truth to power.

Those who cling to the past, are terrified by social change, and they seek to return to a time of rigidity. That's what they're comfortable with.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Of course the thread topic is that leftism seems to promote disorderly, rude, disruptive, offensive, and destructive behavior. Are we witnessing that on this thread do you think?

Unclear: are you a leftist™? Is that why you posted this flame thread? If so, repent: Leftism™ is bad for people. It makes them awful.

I kid! I understand, you just want to have a meaningful, intellectual discussion about what it is that makes liberals such awful people. And those leftist™ agitators just can't help themselves, streaming in to disrupt such a civil conversation. You're a saint to put up with it!

She's a regular Mother Teresa.

 

[Foxfyre]

Of course the thread topic is that leftism seems to promote disorderly, rude, disruptive, offensive, and destructive behavior. Are we witnessing that on this thread do you think?

Unclear: are you a leftist™? Is that why you posted this flame thread? If so, repent: Leftism™ is bad for people. It makes them awful.

I kid! I understand, you just want to have a meaningful, intellectual discussion about what it is that makes liberals such awful people. And those leftist™ agitators just can't help themselves, streaming in to disrupt such a civil conversation. You're a saint to put up with it!

I gave the full option and encouragement to discuss why the thesis as Klaven expressed it is in error. You seem to protest that the thesis exists.

Do you see leftism promoting civil, orderly, and respectful protests in which the people don't destroy or deface property and leave messes for others to clean up?

Do you see Tea Partiers behaving in uncivil, disorderly, and disrespectful protests, destroying or defacing property, and leaving messes for others to clean up?

Do you think Klaven has no point at all when he observes these things?

Or is it wrong to observe them?

 

[BDBoop]

I'm gonna go with RWNJB™, heh. Excellent.

The Right Wing Nut Job Brigade™. Sheer perfection.

 

[Political Junky]

The problem with the left's view of liberty is less liberty, all in the name of protecting liberty.

Less liberty as in defense of marriage act, denying women the right to abortion or even birth control, that kind of freedom?