What is wrong with progressives?

[Mr Natural]

If all men are created equal, that is final.

The creation process might be equal, but after that, it's pretty much a crapshoot.

 

[jillian]

I try to understand where the left is coming from - I really do. But this nonsense about "progressing" is just maddening. First of all, they never say what they want to progress TO. What is progress for them? Communism? Socialism? Nazism?

In their attempt to "progress", they are now attacking the US Constitution. Time magazine (ie Obama magazine) just wrote a huge article about how the Constitution is no longer relevant. The US Constitution is the world's only PERFECT document. It's perfect because it guaranteed our freedoms. Because it guaranteed it would keep government SMALL and out of our lives. And most of all, because it recognized it's own imperfections and built in a process to edit it when necessary. How exactly do you "progress" past perfection - I guess that's why progressives won't define what they are trying to progress to? Because answering with Communism, Socialism, or Nazism would have a negative effect on their "progress".

If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance - no "progress" can be made beyond these propositions!!!!

what on earth are you babbling about?

 

[Greenbeard]

The US Constitution is the world's only PERFECT document. It's perfect because it guaranteed our freedoms.

That's done primarily through amendments to the original document. You know, progress.

 

[Si modo]

I try to understand where the left is coming from - I really do. But this nonsense about "progressing" is just maddening. First of all, they never say what they want to progress TO. What is progress for them? Communism? Socialism? Nazism?

In their attempt to "progress", they are now attacking the US Constitution. Time magazine (ie Obama magazine) just wrote a huge article about how the Constitution is no longer relevant. The US Constitution is the world's only PERFECT document. It's perfect because it guaranteed our freedoms. Because it guaranteed it would keep government SMALL and out of our lives. And most of all, because it recognized it's own imperfections and built in a process to edit it when necessary. How exactly do you "progress" past perfection - I guess that's why progressives won't define what they are trying to progress to? Because answering with Communism, Socialism, or Nazism would have a negative effect on their "progress".

If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance - no "progress" can be made beyond these propositions!!!!

what on earth are you babbling about?

It looks pretty clear to me. Those who call themselves progressives are not paying attention to the Constitution which protects all of us. Although they are not the only groups who do that, they certainly are currently involving themselves in some sort of idiotic movement to marginalize the Constitution, then the next step is easier.

 

[dblack]

I try to understand where the left is coming from - I really do. But this nonsense about "progressing" is just maddening. First of all, they never say what they want to progress TO. What is progress for them? Communism? Socialism? Nazism?

In contrast to conservatives, progressives simply believe we can make things better. More specifically, in the current context, they believe we can use government to make things better. I don't think either of those views is inherently wrong. In fact, I find them generally more hopefully and promising that the conservative urge to maintain the status quo.

My issue with progressives is their current predilection for disregarding individual freedom as an inconvenience. They seem to have forgotten the most important aspect of liberalism (i.e.liberty).

 

[Truthmatters]

How can the right go arround whorshiping the constitution and in the same breath speak of their massive hate for government?

 

[jillian]

I try to understand where the left is coming from - I really do. But this nonsense about "progressing" is just maddening. First of all, they never say what they want to progress TO. What is progress for them? Communism? Socialism? Nazism?

In contrast to conservatives, progressives simply believe we can make things better. More specifically, in the current context, they believe we can use government to make things better. I don't think either of those views is inherently wrong. In fact, I find them generally more hopefully and promising that the conservative urge to maintain the status quo.

My issue with progressives is their current predilection for disregarding individual freedom as an inconvenience. They seem to have forgotten the most important aspect of liberalism (i.e. 'liberty').

the right loves "individual freedoms" as long as they don't include women exercising dominion over their own bodies... or gays marrying... or the rights of the accused being protected... or the choice of someone braindead to be allowed to be let go...and so on and so on and shoobie doobie doobie. *shrug*

 

[Si modo]

I try to understand where the left is coming from - I really do. But this nonsense about "progressing" is just maddening. First of all, they never say what they want to progress TO. What is progress for them? Communism? Socialism? Nazism?

In contrast to conservatives, progressives simply believe we can make things better. More specifically, in the current context, they believe we can use government to make things better. I don't think either of those views is inherently wrong. In fact, I find them generally more hopefully and promising that the conservative urge to maintain the status quo.

My issue with progressives is their current predilection for disregarding individual freedom as an inconvenience. They seem to have forgotten the most important aspect of liberalism (i.e. 'liberty').

the right loves "individual freedoms" as long as they don't include women exercising dominion over their own bodies... or gays marrying... or the rights of the accused being protected... and so on and so on and shoobie doobie doobie. *shrug*

Really? Then how is it that I am on the right and pro-choice and not against gay marriage?




Oops - generalization fail.

 

[Si modo]

How can the right go arround whorshiping the constitution and in the same breath speak of their massive hate for government?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives are people too stupid to realize they're Marxists sock puppets

 

[Truthmatters]

You are not the right are you.

you are just one member.

 

[Si modo]

You are not the right are you.

you are just one member.

. Thus the generalization fail.

I know...it's 'deep', but do try.

 

[dblack]

the right loves "individual freedoms" as long as they don't include women exercising dominion over their own bodies... or gays marrying... or the rights of the accused being protected... or the choice of someone braindead to be allowed to be let go...and so on and so on and shoobie doobie doobie. *shrug*

Sure, ok. But this thread was asking about progressives. Do you have anything to say in defense of the current state of the progressive movement? Or is the plan to just deflect criticism by pointing out the hypocrisy of the conservatives?

 

[P@triot]

I try to understand where the left is coming from - I really do. But this nonsense about "progressing" is just maddening. First of all, they never say what they want to progress TO. What is progress for them? Communism? Socialism? Nazism?

In their attempt to "progress", they are now attacking the US Constitution. Time magazine (ie Obama magazine) just wrote a huge article about how the Constitution is no longer relevant. The US Constitution is the world's only PERFECT document. It's perfect because it guaranteed our freedoms. Because it guaranteed it would keep government SMALL and out of our lives. And most of all, because it recognized it's own imperfections and built in a process to edit it when necessary. How exactly do you "progress" past perfection - I guess that's why progressives won't define what they are trying to progress to? Because answering with Communism, Socialism, or Nazism would have a negative effect on their "progress".

If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance - no "progress" can be made beyond these propositions!!!!

I wonder how many slaves would have agreed with it's perfection?

I'd say ALL of them, since it included “all men are created equal” and it was that very statement in that very document which served as the basis for granting their freedom.

I also find it amusing that progressives use slavery in 1776, which has since been corrected, as an excuse to violate the ultimate law of the land in 2011. It really illustrates just how profoundly weak the left’s position is on the US Constitution and current policies.

 

[P@triot]

How can the right go arround whorshiping the constitution and in the same breath speak of their massive hate for government?

I'm sorry - where exactly does it say in the US Constitution that you must "love" government? Furthermore, I would LOVE my government if it actually adhered to the Constitution! God, I would WORSHIP my government if it adhered to the US Constitution. The federal government was intended to be the SMALLEST form of government, and is granted 18 SPECIFIC enumerated powers. Those powers do NOT include things like The Department of Education (completely unconstitutional), Social Security (completely unconstitutional), Welfare (completely unconstitutional), Obamacare (completely unconstitutional), Department of Agriculture (completely unconstitutional)... and about 8,000 more. Should I go on? When the nightmare that is progressivsim reverses course on this monstrosity of a federal government and forces it to adhere to the law of the land (which was specifically designed to limit its power in order to maximize OUR power), I will absolutely LOVE my government. Until that time, their illegal actions and blatant disregard for the Constitution earns them the hate they deserve.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I try to understand where the left is coming from - I really do. But this nonsense about "progressing" is just maddening. First of all, they never say what they want to progress TO. What is progress for them? Communism? Socialism? Nazism?

In their attempt to "progress", they are now attacking the US Constitution. Time magazine (ie Obama magazine) just wrote a huge article about how the Constitution is no longer relevant. The US Constitution is the world's only PERFECT document. It's perfect because it guaranteed our freedoms. Because it guaranteed it would keep government SMALL and out of our lives. And most of all, because it recognized it's own imperfections and built in a process to edit it when necessary. How exactly do you "progress" past perfection - I guess that's why progressives won't define what they are trying to progress to? Because answering with Communism, Socialism, or Nazism would have a negative effect on their "progress".

If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance - no "progress" can be made beyond these propositions!!!!

If all men are created equal, why is there a controversy over the issue of two men or two women marrying? If the rights under our Constitution apply to all men, why do some question providing the Bill of Rights to all men, including those undocumented immigrants or foreign nationals who come to our shores to do us harm?

Framed in words used in the Declaration of Independence, it's clear those who signed and supported this document meant all men, not only United States Citizens, for the United States did not exist in 1776.

Who are progressives and what do they stand for is not too difficult to understand. In terms of Freedoms most support the principle proposed in the 1972 Equal Rights Amendment, which reads:

"Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State on account of sex"; I would add that in 2011 it should add, "...on account of sex or sexual orientation".

In terms of economic principles most progressives seem to support Social Contract Theory and Mill's concept of Political Economy, not as a thing by itself, but as a part of a greater whole.

Progressives, like conservatives, have an idiot fringe. Those who riot at WTO meetings or drive spikes into redwood trees to harm loggers are not progressives, per se. To suggest they are would also suggest that Timothy McVeigh, Eric Robert Rudolph and Scott Roeder are conservatives. Extremists are neither progressive nor conservative; violence seperates them into different categories and different discussions.

On final remark on the root word, progress, from Dictionary.com


Main Entry:
progress
Part of Speech: noun

Definition:

advancement, gain

Synonyms:

advance, amelioration, anabasis, betterment, boost, break, breakthrough, buildup, course, dash, development, evolution, evolvement, expedition, flowering, growth, headway, hike, impetus, improvement, increase, journey, lunge, march, momentum, motion, movement, ongoing, pace, passage, process, procession, proficiency, progression, promotion, rate, rise, step forward, stride, tour, unfolding, voyage, way

Antonyms:

decline, decrease, deterioration, retreat, retrogression

 

[P@triot]

I try to understand where the left is coming from - I really do. But this nonsense about "progressing" is just maddening. First of all, they never say what they want to progress TO. What is progress for them? Communism? Socialism? Nazism?

In contrast to conservatives, progressives simply believe we can make things better. More specifically, in the current context, they believe we can use government to make things better. I don't think either of those views is inherently wrong. In fact, I find them generally more hopefully and promising that the conservative urge to maintain the status quo.

My issue with progressives is their current predilection for disregarding individual freedom as an inconvenience. They seem to have forgotten the most important aspect of liberalism (i.e.liberty).

Ok – but it’s a legal matter. The US Constitution is LAW. In fact, it’s the ultimate law of the land. So someone cannot violate that law in the name of “making things better”. Let me give you an example – if I believe raping women will spread my genetic DNA, creating more me which will make the world “better” – would that justify rape in a court of law??? Of course not! That’s asinine! The law is the law, and cannot be violated simply by the opinion of someone who thinks their illegal activity “makes things better”.

Furthermore, who gets to decide what “makes things better”? Progressives THINK (key word) that Obamacare “makes things better”. While conservatives know (and the numbers prove it) that Obamacare has made things far worse.

 

[Truthmatters]

How can the right go arround whorshiping the constitution and in the same breath speak of their massive hate for government?

I'm sorry - where exactly does it say in the US Constitution that you must "love" government? Furthermore, I would LOVE my government if it actually adhered to the Constitution! God, I would WORSHIP my government if it adhered to the US Constitution. The federal government was intended to be the SMALLEST form of government, and is granted 18 SPECIFIC enumerated powers. Those powers do NOT include things like The Department of Education (completely unconstitutional), Social Security (completely unconstitutional), Welfare (completely unconstitutional), Obamacare (completely unconstitutional), Department of Agriculture (completely unconstitutional)... and about 8,000 more. Should I go on? When the nightmare that is progressivsim reverses course on this monstrosity of a federal government and forces it to adhere to the law of the land (which was specifically designed to limit its power in order to maximize OUR power), I will absolutely LOVE my government. Until that time, their illegal actions and blatant disregard for the Constitution earns them the hate they deserve.

You are not the final arbitor of the definition of the constitution.


You can pretend anything you want about it, the Scotus doesnt agree with you and your defintions of it are meaningless

 

[California Girl]

If all men are created equal, that is final.

The creation process might be equal, but after that, it's pretty much a crapshoot.

As it should be.

 

[P@triot]

I try to understand where the left is coming from - I really do. But this nonsense about "progressing" is just maddening. First of all, they never say what they want to progress TO. What is progress for them? Communism? Socialism? Nazism?

In contrast to conservatives, progressives simply believe we can make things better. More specifically, in the current context, they believe we can use government to make things better. I don't think either of those views is inherently wrong. In fact, I find them generally more hopefully and promising that the conservative urge to maintain the status quo.

My issue with progressives is their current predilection for disregarding individual freedom as an inconvenience. They seem to have forgotten the most important aspect of liberalism (i.e. 'liberty').

the right loves "individual freedoms" as long as they don't include women exercising dominion over their own bodies... or gays marrying... or the rights of the accused being protected... or the choice of someone braindead to be allowed to be let go...and so on and so on and shoobie doobie doobie. *shrug*

Well, there is no right to MURDER my dear. So you can reword it however you want, but what you call "a woman exercising dominion over her own body" is just a cute way of saying "a woman should have the right to commit MURDER". I'm sorry conservatives have a problem with MURDER. God forbid - how dare us try to stop the MURDER of a person.

As for the rest of it, why exactly do gays need the US government to recognize them as "married"? See, conservatives believe in FREEDOM. So if gays want to create a private organization that will marry them, that recognizes them as married, and that gives them a full marital ceremony, complete with a fancy reception, I say GOD BLESS THEM! But it’s not really about being married, now is it? It’s all about working the system for perks and benefits. Something the left is great at. Why work when you can steal from hard working conservatives, right?

The right of the accused being protected? I’d answer that, but I have no idea what you are talking about. If you’re talking the legal system, God almighty who is more protected than an accused criminal in the US??? The accused have more RIGHTS than a citizen who hasn’t been accused of anything (thanks to the Dumbocrats).

As far as brain dead, it goes right back to MURDER my dear. I actually agree with you on this one, I do, but I can understand why people are not comfortable with it. It’s playing God. It’s taking a human life. It’s remarkable that liberals want to end free speech (they are currently working to silence Glenn Beck and get Fox News off the air) but are completely comfortable killing babies and people in dire medical situations.

So, as you can see, all your points about conservatives “hypocrisy” really falls apart under scrutiny.