What is there to learn from history?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

What is there to learn from history?


It was bloody and the way of the gun ruled the land.

Yes, the last century was the bloodiest ever by far killing more than all other wars combined; yet the liberals always want to cut our defense budget. Go figure.

 

[freedombecki]

Gipper, all of that is true.

However, democracy with an enforcement of minority rights, remains the best form of government.

This talk of communism or libertarianism in America would only bring even more suffering.

Of course only a liberal could be so stupid as to imagine that limited government would cause suffering when government has always been the source of suffering in all of human history. Suppose the big liberals, Hitler Stalin and Mao had lived in libertarian countries??

See why we are 100% positive a liberal will be slow, very very slow!!!

Hitler was no liberal, gheesh, rewriting history as you go?

Yes he was, and here's proof: he promised the German people something for nothing, wanted to please his foreigner oil buddies in the Middle East who could provide petrol for his tanks to take over Europe. Their price was to cause him to blame Jews for the world's woes and kill all the Jews in Europe and steal their wealth to support his war machine and takeover of Europe.

Now we have Obama, the socialist, who went to a church that preached God damn America for 20 years, Obama promises something for nothing to his tribe of liberal voters; and Obama is harsh on the Jewish state and easy on their enemies who are developing enough explosives to jihad the whole world starting with Israel with the plan to steal all they have built since 1948 when the survivors of the Holocaust, a 6,000,000-Jew bloodbath, didn't want to stay in hateful Europe to go through all that again in the next generation. Obama has snubbed America's allies to please his Muslim Bros under Louis Farrakhan and snubbed Israel to please the Muslim brotherhood that murdered Gaddafi for him and finger bin Laden.

His friends' price for helping Obama will be the same thing they outlined to Hitler: extermination of Jews.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Votto]

As a Democrat, Jefferson valued liberty and freedom

Values Democrats still value

Jefferson opposed the Federalists who wished to centralize power in Washington. He is the polar opposite of what the Democrat party represents today.

 

[uscitizen]

What is there to learn from history?

I think the great Lord Acton summed it up rather well with this, “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

Man is a weak and fallible being. Giving one or several people the power to control the rest of us, leads to disaster over and over again.

Pretty much explains centuries of murder, suffering, and destruction committed by the powers that be. You would think the people would learn, but no.

Today power in America and around the world continues to be centralized into the hands of a few, who have and will cause great harm.

If you feel that the FF were purist then you have clouded your mind over with propaganda, look up Whiskey rebellion, Alien Sedition Act and the issue of slavery.

Yep Lincoln initially only made slavery illegal in southern states.

 

[uscitizen]

As a Democrat, Jefferson valued liberty and freedom

Values Democrats still value

Jefferson opposed the Federalists who wished to centralize power in Washington. He is the polar opposite of what the Democrat party represents today.

And most cnservative types back then supported England keeping control.

Yep things change.

 

[LibertyLemming]

As a Democrat, Jefferson valued liberty and freedom

Values Democrats still value

Hahahahaahahahahaahaha. This is literally the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. I will think about this and laugh in the near future.

 

[LibertyLemming]

Also I wish we still had Federalist and Anti-federalist parties instead of federalist and really federalist

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

As a Democrat, Jefferson valued liberty and freedom

Values Democrats still value

Jefferson opposed the Federalists who wished to centralize power in Washington. He is the polar opposite of what the Democrat party represents today.

And most cnservative types back then supported England keeping control.

Yep things change.

too stupid !! using todays definitions, conservatives or classical liberals were for limited central government!!

 

[JakeStarkey]

He owned slaves, freeing only his five children after his death. He did not free his slave paramour, the half-sister of his dead wife.

As a Democrat, Jefferson valued liberty and freedom

Values Democrats still value

Jefferson opposed the Federalists who wished to centralize power in Washington. He is the polar opposite of what the Democrat party represents today.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

As a Democrat, Jefferson valued liberty and freedom

Values Democrats still value

Jefferson opposed the Federalists who wished to centralize power in Washington. He is the polar opposite of what the Democrat party represents today.

you are dead on!! Also, if rightwinger can show Jefferson as a Democrat in the 18th Century based on a primary source I will pay him $10,000. He has refused to take the bet 18 times.

 

[rdean]

Conservatives don't believe in "millions" of years.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have already lost the best three times and refused to pay up, TooStupidEdward.

I don't a true classical liberal like George Washington would piss on you if you were on fire: he perhaps would permit his slave to have done so.

As a Democrat, Jefferson valued liberty and freedom

Values Democrats still value

Jefferson opposed the Federalists who wished to centralize power in Washington. He is the polar opposite of what the Democrat party represents today.

you are dead on!! Also, if rightwinger can show Jefferson as a Democrat in the 18th Century based on a primary source I will pay him $10,000. He has refused to take the bet 18 times.

 

[LibertyLemming]

You have already lost the best three times and refused to pay up, TooStupidEdward.

I don't a true classical liberal like George Washington would piss on you if you were on fire: he perhaps would permit his slave to have done so.

Jefferson opposed the Federalists who wished to centralize power in Washington. He is the polar opposite of what the Democrat party represents today.

you are dead on!! Also, if rightwinger can show Jefferson as a Democrat in the 18th Century based on a primary source I will pay him $10,000. He has refused to take the bet 18 times.

Let's pretend that Washington and Jefferson were "liberals", do you contend that the modern day liberal/democrat is instituting the same kind of policy that they did?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Of course not and neither is the far right libertarian.

Stay balanced, LL.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You have already lost the best three times and refused to pay up, TooStupidEdward.

I don't a true classical liberal like George Washington would piss on you if you were on fire: he perhaps would permit his slave to have done so.

you are dead on!! Also, if rightwinger can show Jefferson as a Democrat in the 18th Century based on a primary source I will pay him $10,000. He has refused to take the bet 18 times.

Let's pretend that Washington and Jefferson were "liberals", do you contend that the modern day liberal/democrat is instituting the same kind of policy that they did?

yes, but Jefferson and Washington are considered heros so liberals like to claim them even when they stood for very very limited government.

If liberals have no connection to our founders they have no connection to American values, which explains why they spied for Stalin, or was it Hitler?

 

[LibertyLemming]

You have already lost the best three times and refused to pay up, TooStupidEdward.

I don't a true classical liberal like George Washington would piss on you if you were on fire: he perhaps would permit his slave to have done so.

Let's pretend that Washington and Jefferson were "liberals", do you contend that the modern day liberal/democrat is instituting the same kind of policy that they did?

yes, but Jefferson and Washington are considered heros so liberals like to claim them even when they stood for very very limited government.

If liberals have no connection to our founders they have no connection to American values, which explains why they spied for Stalin, or was it Hitler?

Certainly explains why the sheep overwhelmingly elect a guy who assassinates his own citizens without due process among countless Constitutional violations.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So LL is the Charles Lindbergh, the nazi, today. You two are loons.

Let's pretend that Washington and Jefferson were "liberals", do you contend that the modern day liberal/democrat is instituting the same kind of policy that they did?

yes, but Jefferson and Washington are considered heros so liberals like to claim them even when they stood for very very limited government.

If liberals have no connection to our founders they have no connection to American values, which explains why they spied for Stalin, or was it Hitler?

Certainly explains why the sheep overwhelmingly elect a guy who assassinates his own citizens without due process among countless Constitutional violations.

 

[regent]

In due time we seem to learn a personal practical history, i.e. don't touch a hot stove, but political history seems to be always in question, despite the fact that most history books are political. The social sciences are the soft sciences because unquestioned answers are hard to arrive at.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Let's pretend that Washington and Jefferson were "liberals", do you contend that the modern day liberal/democrat is instituting the same kind of policy that they did?

yes, but Jefferson and Washington are considered heros so liberals like to claim them even when they stood for very very limited government.

If liberals have no connection to our founders they have no connection to American values, which explains why they spied for Stalin, or was it Hitler?

Certainly explains why the sheep overwhelmingly elect a guy who assassinates his own citizens without due process among countless Constitutional violations.

what??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Let's pretend that Washington and Jefferson were "liberals", do you contend that the modern day liberal/democrat is instituting the same kind of policy that they did?

good point!! Washington and Jefferson were for a very tiny government by todays standards or by any standards in the world, yet liberals who are for constantly growing government seem to imagine they have a place at the American Founding.

Maybe they mean in dress style or something?