What is injustice and immorality? What is the punishment for this?

[dattaswami]

What is injustice and immorality? What is the punishment for this?
You may hurt your colleague souls in several ways. All these ways are injustice and immorality. For example by corruption you are hurting your colleague souls. Atleast you are not exempting the poor and devoted people. If you do corruption in the case of unjust rich people, you should spend it for divine purpose. If you spend it for yourself or for your family, all of you will be completely destroyed.
At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

Universal-Spirituality
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

 

[JBeukema]

What is injustice and immorality? What is the punishment for this?
You may hurt your colleague souls in several ways.

Define 'hurt' and demonstrate the existe4nce of the 'soul'

All these ways are injustice and immorality

Demonstrate.

. For example by corruption you are hurting your colleague souls.

Demonstrate. Pure assertions get no free pass when JB is bored.

 

[dattaswami]

What is injustice and immorality? What is the punishment for this?
You may hurt your colleague souls in several ways.

Define 'hurt' and demonstrate the existe4nce of the 'soul'

All these ways are injustice and immorality

Demonstrate.

. For example by corruption you are hurting your colleague souls.

Demonstrate. Pure assertions get no free pass when JB is bored.

“Veda and Gita say that the soul can be visualized by very careful analysis and vision (Drusyate Tvagrayaa…, Pasyanti Jnana Chakshushah….). After all, the soul is only pure awareness which is the nervous energy flowing in the nerves. Today we have very sophisticated instruments through which we can see this nervous energy flowing in nerves as waves. The soul is essentially the inert energy only. Ofcourse, the chip of the information (Jeeva) existing in the brain is specific for an individual i.e., accumulated from several births. Your body is like computer.

The electricity flowing in the computer (Power) is the awareness or the soul. The information fed into the computer (Programme) is specific and is called as the individual soul or Jeeva. Therefore, you can see the soul in its essential form as energy. At the time of death this chip of information (Jeeva) comes out of the body. When the radio station transmits some speech in to the space, it travels in the space with a specific frequency and it is essentially energy only. But when it enters the radio the speech is heard. Similarly, the individual soul on entering a new alive body again transmits the information. Therefore, the soul or individual soul can be visualized as the energy only.

When it enters another system (another human body), it behaves like the soul or individual soul which is the specific work form of energy. If you take the soul or individual soul as the specific form of energy only, it cannot be isolated like energy. You cannot take the photo of grinding work. The machine, the current, the motion of the rod that grinds the grains (Kinetic energy), grains etc., can be visualized. But none of these is the grinding work. The grinding work depends on all these components and we can see its effect as the flour of grains. The actual specific work cannot be visualized but can be experienced. By this point people have misunderstood that the soul is God because God is also not visible but can be experienced.

But the difference is that God is independent, whereas the awareness (Specific form of work) depends on the brain, nervous system, food, oxygen and proper oxidation of food to release energy etc. Awareness is unreal by itself when isolated from all the components. God is the completely independent and ultimate absolute reality. A scientist told that the life energy is like the sound produced from the drum and stick. The sound is essentially mechanical energy and is neither the drum, nor the stick, nor the beat (Kinetic energy) nor the ear-drum that experiences the sound.

Every item of the creation is a relative reality (Mithya) like the awareness except God. You can visualize the sound as energy waves but those waves are not sound. Only the effect of those waves is sound. Such effect is not self-existent independent item. Its existence is a compounded effect of all the parts of the system. Therefore, the soul in the form of inert energy can be visualized, which is its original form i.e., remaining in the state of deep sleep”.

 

[Camilla]

Nice post!

 

[editec]

What is injustice and immorality? What is the punishment for this?
You may hurt your colleague souls in several ways. All these ways are injustice and immorality. For example by corruption you are hurting your colleague souls. Atleast you are not exempting the poor and devoted people. If you do corruption in the case of unjust rich people, you should spend it for divine purpose. If you spend it for yourself or for your family, all of you will be completely destroyed.
At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

Universal-Spirituality
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

Perhaps, perhaps not.

We can only be sure that you believe if you were the author of the universe that is how you would want things to be, Datt.

Tell me...do you see that divine justice playing out on this earth?

No?

Then perhaps you are projecting your values onto a cosmos that does not care what your values are, eh?

Perhaps you and I are too small to grasp the divine.

What arrogance to assume that we know the mind of God.

True faith is dogma without content, methinks, chum.

Have faith in nothing but that the lotus will unfold indifferent to how you or I feel about it.

 

[dattaswami]

What is injustice and immorality? What is the punishment for this?
You may hurt your colleague souls in several ways. All these ways are injustice and immorality. For example by corruption you are hurting your colleague souls. Atleast you are not exempting the poor and devoted people. If you do corruption in the case of unjust rich people, you should spend it for divine purpose. If you spend it for yourself or for your family, all of you will be completely destroyed.
At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

Universal-Spirituality
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

Perhaps, perhaps not.

We can only be sure that you believe if you were the author of the universe that is how you would want things to be, Datt.

Tell me...do you see that divine justice playing out on this earth?

No?

Then perhaps you are projecting your values onto a cosmos that does not care what your values are, eh?

Perhaps you and I are too small to grasp the divine.

What arrogance to assume that we know the mind of God.

True faith is dogma without content, methinks, chum.

Have faith in nothing but that the lotus will unfold indifferent to how you or I feel about it.

The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible because the absolute God is unimaginable. The absolute God comes in human form to give you the experience of His existence, in absence of which, you may deny the very existence of the absolute God and may become atheist (Astityeva….Veda). The identification of the human form in which the absolute God exists is the knowledge of God (Brahma Jnanam or Brahma Vidya).

The experience of the existence of the absolute God does not reveal any trace of the nature of the absolute God and hence God is always unimaginable. The only information about the absolute God is that God exists. “Aum Tat Sat” means that God exists and no more information about God is available. The word Tat means that God is beyond your imagination. The word Aum denotes that God is the creator, ruler and destroyer of this world. These three adjectives indicate the works (Creation, rule and destruction) of God only and not the nature of the God. This is called as the information about the existence only (Sanmatra vada). God comes in human form, which is characterized by the awareness or chit.

 

[editec]

What is injustice and immorality? What is the punishment for this?
You may hurt your colleague souls in several ways. All these ways are injustice and immorality. For example by corruption you are hurting your colleague souls. Atleast you are not exempting the poor and devoted people. If you do corruption in the case of unjust rich people, you should spend it for divine purpose. If you spend it for yourself or for your family, all of you will be completely destroyed.
At Thy Lotus Feet His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

Universal-Spirituality
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

Perhaps, perhaps not.

We can only be sure that you believe if you were the author of the universe that is how you would want things to be, Datt.

Tell me...do you see that divine justice playing out on this earth?

No?

Then perhaps you are projecting your values onto a cosmos that does not care what your values are, eh?

Perhaps you and I are too small to grasp the divine.

What arrogance to assume that we know the mind of God.

True faith is dogma without content, methinks, chum.

Have faith in nothing but that the lotus will unfold indifferent to how you or I feel about it.

The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible because the absolute God is unimaginable

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Yup.

The absolute God comes in human form to give you the experience of His existence,

We part ways on that presumption, amigo.

in absence of which, you may deny the very existence of the absolute God and may become atheist (Astityeva….Veda).

I don't need an anthrophmorphized GOD to believe. Do you?

The identification of the human form in which the absolute God exists is the knowledge of God (Brahma Jnanam or Brahma Vidya).

Think you lost me there.

The experience of the existence of the absolute God does not reveal any trace of the nature of the absolute God and hence God is always unimaginable.

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How does one "experience.. the existence of the absolute God" ?

By faith?

...does not reveal any trace of the nature of the absolute God and hence God is always unimaginable.

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Okay, we're back on the same page now.

The only information about the absolute God is that God exists. “Aum Tat Sat” means that God exists and no more information about God is available.

Welll...that's not information, that's FAITH.

And faith is the opposite of knowledge in this world.

The word Tat means that God is beyond your imagination. The word Aum denotes that God is the creator, ruler and destroyer of this world. These three adjectives indicate the works (Creation, rule and destruction) of God only and not the nature of the God. This is called as the information about the existence only (Sanmatra vada).

Okay thanks for the definitions of these words.

[quote God comes in human form, which is characterized by the awareness or chit.

God comes to us as awareness?

Awareness of God, you mean?

Ya see, this is why believers confuse atheists.

Do you understand how circular the above statement really is?

You cannot encompass the GODhead with words, amigo.

Faith is a destination and no path built with words or logic can take you there.

 

[dattaswami]

Perhaps, perhaps not.

Okay thanks for the definitions of these words.

[quote God comes in human form, which is characterized by the awareness or chit.

God comes to us as awareness?

Awareness of God, you mean?

Ya see, this is why believers confuse atheists.

Do you understand how circular the above statement really is?

You cannot encompass the GODhead with words, amigo.

Faith is a destination and no path built with words or logic can take you there.

God is not awareness

(Wish is verb and not any agent that wishes. The soul or Jiva is only a special work and not the working element).
Veda says that God wished to create this world. Hence, people say that God is awareness due to wish. Here wish is a verb and not noun. This means that the awareness, which is wish, means a work only and not a working element. Already we have established that awareness is a special work of inert energy functioning in the special system called as nervous system. Therefore, the soul is the name of some special work only done by inert energy in the nervous system similar to grinding work done by current in grinding machine. Hence, the word soul is only a verb and not a noun, if you analyze deeply on scientific and logical line.