What is an "ice age?"

[Crick]

forcing English public schools to provide a disclaimer before showing them "An Inconvenient Truth".

The DISCLAIMER states that the movie about "Truth" isn't...

It is about CHERRY PICKING, FUDGE, and FRAUD.


Warning - this movie lies, it cherry picks, what it says is not true, and there is no evidence at all that CO2 affects Earth temperature

The only lies we have here are coming from YOU.

Here, dipshit, is the actual, Oh-fucking-ficial text of Justice Burton's decision in Dimmock v Secretary of State for Education and Skills. By the way, Dimmock LOST this case.

Dimmock v Secretary of State for Education & Skills [2007] EWHC 2288 (Admin) (10 October 2007)

 

[Crick]

The link directly below leads to Zwally's paper that contends the ice mass balance of Antarctica is positive, ie, that it is gaining ice mass

http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

I know of (and could find) no other papers that believe Antarctica has a positive mass balance. If you know of any, you might bring them forward. The remaining links below all lead to articles or studies who conclude that Antarctica's ice mass balance is negative: that is, that it is losing ice mass.

Changes in ice dynamics and mass balance of the Antarctic ice sheet | Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London A: Mathematical, Physical and Engineering Sciences

Antarctic Ice Sheet surface mass balance

Observed Mass Balance of Mountain Glaciers and Greenland Ice Sheet in the 20th Century and the Present Trends

An introduction to Glacier Mass Balance

Important role for ocean warming and increased ice-shelf melt in Antarctic sea-ice expansion : Nature Geoscience : Nature Research

Is it possible that glaciers are showing a decrease in mass balance (not negative), yet they are showing recession - AntarcticGlaciers.org

Is Antarctica losing or gaining ice?

Mass balance of polar ice sheets.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v393/n6683/full/393325a0.html

Sea-level feedback lowers projections of future Antarctic Ice-Sheet mass loss : Nature Communications

Antarctic ice shelves rapidly melting

Ocean-driven thinning enhances iceberg calving and retreat of Antarctic ice shelves

http://phys.org/news/2012-09-scientist-devoted-earth-ice-sheets.html

High geothermal heat flux measured below the West Antarctic Ice Sheet | Science Advances

Estimating the rates of mass change, ice volume change and snow volume change in Greenland from ICESat and GRACE data

I stopped copying links long before I ran out of them.

So what was it you said sometime earlier about following the evidence?

another two minutes and:
Antarctic sea ice is INCREASING: Big freeze breaks records

"Antarctic sea ice is INCREASING: Big freeze breaks records - but scientists claim the rise is caused by global warming

• Images suggest there is 7.7 million square miles of sea around continent
• This is double size of the Antarctic and three times the size of Australia
• Fast westerly winds, which go around Antarctica, are now moving south
• This is linked to an increase in greenhouse gases and increase in sea ice
• Separate study found region's glaciers are melting faster than ever before"

Well?

Once again jc, Zwally's study concerned the ice mass of the Antarctic CONTINENT. Your article concerns the sea ice surrounding the continent. And you might try going somewhere besides the Daily Mail (UK version of the National Enquirer) to get the opinions of scientists.

 

[Crick]

Yo Crick, how about all of these:

1. Experts Dispute NASA Antarctic Ice Gain Study | Al …
   america.aljazeera.com/.../2/experts-dispute-nasa...ice-gain-study.html
   Experts dispute NASA study showing Antarctic ice gain. ... especially those in West Antarctica. These ice gains, ... your comment was not saved due to a technical ...
   
   
2. Study Reveals Net Ice Gain in Antarctica - voanews.com
   www.voanews.com/a/mht-study-reveals-net-ice-gain-in-antarctica/...
   A NASA study says ice in Antarctica grew by 82 billion tons annually between 2003 and 2008. Accessibility links. ... But the gains were not uniform around the continent.
   
   
3. NASA reveals that Antarctica is actually gaining more ice ...
   www.telegraph.co.uk/.../NASA...Antarctica-is-actually-gaining-ice.html
   Nov 02, 2015 · Video embedded · Antarctica's ice floes have been found to be growing faster than they ... we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the ... The best British …
   
   
4. Gains in Antarctic ice might offset losses : Nature News ...
   www.nature.com › News & Comment › News › 2015 › December
   So much ice is piling up in the vast expanses of East Antarctica that, overall, it counterbalances the losses seen at glaciers thinning elsewhere on the frozen ...
   
   
5. NASA says Antarctica is actually gaining ice. Does this ...
   www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/nasa-says-antarctica-is...
   NASA says Antarctica is actually gaining ice. ... the ice melt in Antarctica to outweigh the ice gains, ... Who posted the inappropriate comment ...
   
   
6. Mass gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet greater than losses ...
   phys.org › Earth › Earth Sciences
   Mass gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet greater than losses, ... their lackey court mages ... concerning Antarctica's ice gain?
   
   
7. Is Antarctica losing or gaining ice? - skepticalscience.com
   www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.htm
   While the interior of East Antarctica is gaining land ice, overall Antarctica is losing land ... since this comment was ... should maybe showing a gain ...
   
   
8. Two New Studies Say Antarctica Gaining Ice And Snow …
   https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2015/11/09/two-news-studies...
   Two New Studies Say Antarctica Gaining Ice ... Survey show that gains in snow and ice are ... these sectors of Antarctica, corresponds to a very large gain ...
   
   
9. NASA Scientist Warned Deniers Would Distort His …
   mediamatters.org/research/2015/11/04/nasa-scientist-warned-deniers...
   It could take only a few decades for the ice melt in Antarctica to outweigh the ice gains, ... to create a "climate justice" court): ... your comment history ...
   
   
10. If Antarctica is gaining ice, why is the Earth still ...
    www.cbsnews.com/news/if-antarctica-is-gaining-ice-why-is-the-earth...
    Video embedded · If Antarctica is gaining ice, ... Comment; Share; Tweet ... [in West Antarctica]," said Thomas, of the British Antarctic Survey.

Need me to find some more for you, since it was soooooo hard to find any right?

Every single one of your links refers to Zwally's paper. The only one that even mentions an additional paper (#8) adds one that studies ONLY the coastal regions of the West Antarctic Peninsula, NOT the continent as a whole.

Are you really that stupid?

 

[LaDexter]

The DATA never showed anything but Antarctic ice growth, both on the continent and the sea ice.

Your side LIES, and the British Court BUSTED those lies, and I do not care what kind of BS spin comes out of the mouth of the left wing judge after the ruling.

Antarctic ice GROWING
NO CORRELATION between CO2 and temps in the ice cores.

 

[Crick]

I posted links to fifteen, different, peer reviewed studies whose data show that the Antarctic ice mass balance is negative. Thus, your first statement is a lie.

The link I provided you IS THE DECISION OF THE JUDGE YOU CLAIM "BUSTED"... someone. Your statement is utter nonsense.

Zwally believes Antarctic ice is growing. Everyone else in his field seems to disagree.

Correlation between CO2 and temperatures in Antarctic ice cores:

 

[jc456]

Yo Crick, how about all of these:

1. Experts Dispute NASA Antarctic Ice Gain Study | Al …
   america.aljazeera.com/.../2/experts-dispute-nasa...ice-gain-study.html
   Experts dispute NASA study showing Antarctic ice gain. ... especially those in West Antarctica. These ice gains, ... your comment was not saved due to a technical ...
   
   
2. Study Reveals Net Ice Gain in Antarctica - voanews.com
   www.voanews.com/a/mht-study-reveals-net-ice-gain-in-antarctica/...
   A NASA study says ice in Antarctica grew by 82 billion tons annually between 2003 and 2008. Accessibility links. ... But the gains were not uniform around the continent.
   
   
3. NASA reveals that Antarctica is actually gaining more ice ...
   www.telegraph.co.uk/.../NASA...Antarctica-is-actually-gaining-ice.html
   Nov 02, 2015 · Video embedded · Antarctica's ice floes have been found to be growing faster than they ... we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the ... The best British …
   
   
4. Gains in Antarctic ice might offset losses : Nature News ...
   www.nature.com › News & Comment › News › 2015 › December
   So much ice is piling up in the vast expanses of East Antarctica that, overall, it counterbalances the losses seen at glaciers thinning elsewhere on the frozen ...
   
   
5. NASA says Antarctica is actually gaining ice. Does this ...
   www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/nasa-says-antarctica-is...
   NASA says Antarctica is actually gaining ice. ... the ice melt in Antarctica to outweigh the ice gains, ... Who posted the inappropriate comment ...
   
   
6. Mass gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet greater than losses ...
   phys.org › Earth › Earth Sciences
   Mass gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet greater than losses, ... their lackey court mages ... concerning Antarctica's ice gain?
   
   
7. Is Antarctica losing or gaining ice? - skepticalscience.com
   www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.htm
   While the interior of East Antarctica is gaining land ice, overall Antarctica is losing land ... since this comment was ... should maybe showing a gain ...
   
   
8. Two New Studies Say Antarctica Gaining Ice And Snow …
   https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2015/11/09/two-news-studies...
   Two New Studies Say Antarctica Gaining Ice ... Survey show that gains in snow and ice are ... these sectors of Antarctica, corresponds to a very large gain ...
   
   
9. NASA Scientist Warned Deniers Would Distort His …
   mediamatters.org/research/2015/11/04/nasa-scientist-warned-deniers...
   It could take only a few decades for the ice melt in Antarctica to outweigh the ice gains, ... to create a "climate justice" court): ... your comment history ...
   
   
10. If Antarctica is gaining ice, why is the Earth still ...
    www.cbsnews.com/news/if-antarctica-is-gaining-ice-why-is-the-earth...
    Video embedded · If Antarctica is gaining ice, ... Comment; Share; Tweet ... [in West Antarctica]," said Thomas, of the British Antarctic Survey.

Need me to find some more for you, since it was soooooo hard to find any right?

Every single one of your links refers to Zwally's paper. The only one that even mentions an additional paper (#8) adds one that studies ONLY the coastal regions of the West Antarctic Peninsula, NOT the continent as a whole.

Are you really that stupid?

so you ignored the NASA one. Why?

 

[jc456]

I posted links to fifteen, different, peer reviewed studies whose data show that the Antarctic ice mass balance is negative. Thus, your first statement is a lie.

The link I provided you IS THE DECISION OF THE JUDGE YOU CLAIM "BUSTED"... someone. Your statement is utter nonsense.

Zwally believes Antarctic ice is growing. Everyone else in his field seems to disagree.

Correlation between CO2 and temperatures in Antarctic ice cores:

NASA?

 

[Crick]

NASA... what?

 

[Crick]

Yo Crick, how about all of these:

1. Experts Dispute NASA Antarctic Ice Gain Study | Al …
   america.aljazeera.com/.../2/experts-dispute-nasa...ice-gain-study.html
   Experts dispute NASA study showing Antarctic ice gain. ... especially those in West Antarctica. These ice gains, ... your comment was not saved due to a technical ...
   
   
2. Study Reveals Net Ice Gain in Antarctica - voanews.com
   www.voanews.com/a/mht-study-reveals-net-ice-gain-in-antarctica/...
   A NASA study says ice in Antarctica grew by 82 billion tons annually between 2003 and 2008. Accessibility links. ... But the gains were not uniform around the continent.
   
   
3. NASA reveals that Antarctica is actually gaining more ice ...
   www.telegraph.co.uk/.../NASA...Antarctica-is-actually-gaining-ice.html
   Nov 02, 2015 · Video embedded · Antarctica's ice floes have been found to be growing faster than they ... we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the ... The best British …
   
   
4. Gains in Antarctic ice might offset losses : Nature News ...
   www.nature.com › News & Comment › News › 2015 › December
   So much ice is piling up in the vast expanses of East Antarctica that, overall, it counterbalances the losses seen at glaciers thinning elsewhere on the frozen ...
   
   
5. NASA says Antarctica is actually gaining ice. Does this ...
   www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/nasa-says-antarctica-is...
   NASA says Antarctica is actually gaining ice. ... the ice melt in Antarctica to outweigh the ice gains, ... Who posted the inappropriate comment ...
   
   
6. Mass gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet greater than losses ...
   phys.org › Earth › Earth Sciences
   Mass gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet greater than losses, ... their lackey court mages ... concerning Antarctica's ice gain?
   
   
7. Is Antarctica losing or gaining ice? - skepticalscience.com
   www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.htm
   While the interior of East Antarctica is gaining land ice, overall Antarctica is losing land ... since this comment was ... should maybe showing a gain ...
   
   
8. Two New Studies Say Antarctica Gaining Ice And Snow …
   https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2015/11/09/two-news-studies...
   Two New Studies Say Antarctica Gaining Ice ... Survey show that gains in snow and ice are ... these sectors of Antarctica, corresponds to a very large gain ...
   
   
9. NASA Scientist Warned Deniers Would Distort His …
   mediamatters.org/research/2015/11/04/nasa-scientist-warned-deniers...
   It could take only a few decades for the ice melt in Antarctica to outweigh the ice gains, ... to create a "climate justice" court): ... your comment history ...
   
   
10. If Antarctica is gaining ice, why is the Earth still ...
    www.cbsnews.com/news/if-antarctica-is-gaining-ice-why-is-the-earth...
    Video embedded · If Antarctica is gaining ice, ... Comment; Share; Tweet ... [in West Antarctica]," said Thomas, of the British Antarctic Survey.

Need me to find some more for you, since it was soooooo hard to find any right?

Every single one of your links refers to Zwally's paper. The only one that even mentions an additional paper (#8) adds one that studies ONLY the coastal regions of the West Antarctic Peninsula, NOT the continent as a whole.

Are you really that stupid?

so you ignored the NASA one. Why?

Have you got some sort of brain malfunction? In EVERY single one of these links, the "NASA" paper is Zwally's.

 

[LaDexter]

I posted links to fifteen, different, peer reviewed studies

We have been all too aware for very long that these "studies" are fudge.

The DATA was what the COURT looked at, and told the FUDGE to WALK, which is why your side CHICKENED OUT from appealing. The DATA never showed anything but growth. "Studies" are not DATA, they are FUDGE, and those who did those studies showing Antarctic ice loss should be prosecuted for fraud.

 

[LaDexter]

http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses


"According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."


Antarctic ice added at least 80 billion tons of ice every year the satellites have measured it.

 

[Gracie]

What is an "ice age?"

It's what happens after global warming.

 

[Crick]

I posted links to fifteen, different, peer reviewed studies

We have been all too aware for very long that these "studies" are fudge.

The DATA was what the COURT looked at, and told the FUDGE to WALK, which is why your side CHICKENED OUT from appealing. The DATA never showed anything but growth. "Studies" are not DATA, they are FUDGE, and those who did those studies showing Antarctic ice loss should be prosecuted for fraud.

Are you insane? I have three times now shown you the actual results of the court case to which you've pinned your hopes and your comments here are absolute bullshit. They are false. They are lies. You are simply making shit up or PARROTING SHIT you read from some denier whack job like yourself.

Show us from the court's ACTUAL OPINION where it says ANYTHING you've claimed it said. ANYTHING ! ! !

 

[LaDexter]

I have three times now shown you the actual results of the court case to which you've pinned your hopes and your comments here are absolute bullshit

Only in your warped and biased mind. When a court rules that 90% of Earth ice on Antarctica is GROWING, that blows away all the fudge you've parroted here regarding...

1. whether or not there is a net ice melt ongoing on the planet
2. hence whether or not the oceans are rising

Sorry. One of the reasons your side has lied for 30 years about Antarctic ice is because your fraud doesn't "work" with the truth of Antarctic ice GROWTH out there. That is why your side HATES that court ruling. That is why your side bills the taxpayer for fudge study after study claiming "melt" when there NEVER was ANY DATA to suggest Antarctica was doing anything but growing.

Your FRAUD is COURT CERTIFIED as FRAUD, and your FRAUD side was TOO CHICKEN to APPEAL.

 

[Crick]

Give us a link to the official results of your court case.

 

[LaDexter]

Court Identifies Eleven Inaccuracies in Al Gore’s ‘An Inconvenient Truth’

• The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 year
• The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing.

There it is. No CO2 correlation with temps, and 90% of Earth ice INCREASING, and your FRAUD side was TOO CHICKEN to appeal.

 

[Old Rocks]

LaDumbkopf, you are simply one of the world's most foolish liars. Your insane blatherskite theories against the whole of the scientific world.

 

[jc456]

LaDumbkopf, you are simply one of the world's most foolish liars. Your insane blatherskite theories against the whole of the scientific world.

What's your point in the video?

 

[Old Rocks]

Nothing at all that you are capable of understanding, jc, nothing at all.

 

[LaDexter]

Old Rocks doesn't like people who question his birdbrained left wing factless parroting. OR wants everyone to parrot with him - no thinking allowed. Try again, parrot. Your side went to court and LOST on

1. 90% of Earth ice INCREASING
2. no correlation between CO2 and temps in ice cores


Indeed, the level of idiocy required to believe Algore's FRAUD isn't human, it is this species...