What If Scenario: 2014 Dems Take House and 60+ Seats in Senate?

[rightwinger]

Hillary? Seriously? Screwing the pooch on the 3 AM call and then stating "what does it matter" are the albatross around her neck. Regardless of how much the party loyalists will defend her, those are her Weiner selfies that will be her undoing. She is unelectable in a national election.

Lets be serious

THESE Republicans have no chance of beating Hillary (or any other Democrat) in 2016

1. the only way to improve it is to repeal it and start over
2. why do you want to legalize criminals who violated our borders and our laws? Why shit on the people who immigrated here legally?
3. WTF does that mean? less coal and oil and more wasted money on solar adventures?
4. global warming is a hoax. we have already wasted enough money on that lie
5. liberal SCOTUS? welcome to the united states of Karl Marx
6. we already have reasonable gun control. what we need is reasonable mental health control.

RW, I seriously suggest that you spend some time in Cuba, they are practicing all of the things that you advocate

I'm telling you what is going to happen and yes, I realize Republicans are going to throw tantrums and declare everything a failure...but they will still happen

Obamacare is the law of the land. It will still be in effect in 2016. The Obamacare that our children and grandchildren see will be different from the 2013 version. It will evolve, much like Social Security has evolved

We will move towards a solution on immigration. After they got their asses kicked in 2012, Republican leadership swore they would be more reasonable......it didn't work
Hispanics will abandon Republicans for good and immigration reform will happpen. If you are given a work visa you are not illegal. Once you have a visa you can work towards citizenship

The biggest change you will see from Hillary will be in the Supreme Court. There are five Conservatives on the court right now and it is unlikely they will survive another seven to eleven years. By the time Hillary leaves office, expect six or seven liberal justices

 

[rightwinger]

Hillary? Seriously? Screwing the pooch on the 3 AM call and then stating "what does it matter" are the albatross around her neck. Regardless of how much the party loyalists will defend her, those are her Weiner selfies that will be her undoing. She is unelectable in a national election.

Lets be serious

THESE Republicans have no chance of beating Hillary (or any other Democrat) in 2016

lets be serious, even the DNC is not dumb enough to run Hillary. She will not be your candidate. Maybe you can run Al Sharpton.

Its September 19 2013 at 12:45 and I will tell you what will happen in 2016

Hillary will be the Democratic candidate for President. No other Democrat will make a serious run and Hillary will be the chosen candidate by Feb 2016

Chris Christie will be the Republican candidate. He will face a serious challenge from Cruz, Paul, Bush, Rubio, Ryan and a bunch of members of the GOP Clown Car. Cristie will face a long and expensive primary in which he will be forced to make many deals, pander to the right and piss off a lot of people

The Christie that runs against Hillary will be nothing like the Christie we see today. He will be sanitized by the Conservatives and will be unelectable.

Hillary will pull over 300 electoral votes

Anything else I can explain to you?

 

[rightwinger]

That's my dream scenario, because revolution would follow soon after.

Same scenario if Republicans took house, 60+Senate and executive.

The revolution might take an extra year or so, since my Libertarians and Constitutionalists will tolerate fascism under a Republican regime for a little longer than Dems (who admit they are totalitarian).

it shows that you are very young.

the revolution is the WORST case scenario.

All revolutions are conceived by idealists, implemented by fanatics, and its fruits are stolen by scoundrels.
Thomas Carlyle

[MENTION=44192]Vox[/MENTION]
So you'd prefer slavery to the Progressive/Neo-con hybrid under neo-feudalism, rather than attempting to use your 2nd Amendment right to Restore the Rule of Law?

Were the fruits of the American Revolution stolen by scoundrels (not including Alexander Hamilton)?
Was 1776 fought by fanatics?
Was 1776 conceived by ordinary honest men, or ivory tower intellectuals?

This quote only applies to NWO orchestrated revolutions, like Lenin/Stalin/Mao and the like.

If there's ever going to by a time to Restore the Rule of Law, the sooner the better.

What would this boy do if not for his tin foil hat?

He is really hitting on all cylinders

 

[Claudette]

You seem pretty sure that folks would vote for Hillary.

Me? I'm not so sure. She hasn't exactly covered herself in glory for her stint as SOS and her time as FL wasn't exactly glory time either. Woman sucks.

Hell. She might not even want to run. She and Bill might decide to retire.

If I were you I'd be thinking who else the DNC can run with. Nothing say Clinton will run and your wishing she did won't make it so.

 

[rightwinger]

You seem pretty sure that folks would vote for Hillary.

Me? I'm not so sure. She hasn't exactly covered herself in glory for her stint as SOS and her time as FL wasn't exactly glory time either. Woman sucks.

Hell. She might not even want to run. She and Bill might decide to retire.

If I were you I'd be thinking who else the DNC can run with. Nothing say Clinton will run and your wishing she did won't make it so.

Hillary will run, Hillary will win

Republicans will sulk

 

[bendog]

I think she'll run too. But, she was an architect of Obama's war in Afghan, silent when Morsi moved to centralize power and involved State in arming the Syrian rebels, which got an ambassador killed. She's got baggage.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, she's got baggage, and that gives a window for Christie to exploit.

No other Republican, excepting Jeb Bush, stands the slightest chance against her: certainly none of the TeaP favorites. Bush's problems, though, he is a Bush and he is a neo-con, an issue that will hurt HRC.

 

[Claudette]

Guess we'll all find out. If she runs that is.

The year she ran against Barry Boy was her year. She would have won if she hadn't gotten thrown under the bus for the half black dude.

No. Nothing says she will run and personally I doubt she will.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That's my dream scenario, because revolution would follow soon after.

Same scenario if Republicans took house, 60+Senate and executive.

The revolution might take an extra year or so, since my Libertarians and Constitutionalists will tolerate fascism under a Republican regime for a little longer than Dems (who admit they are totalitarian).

it shows that you are very young.

the revolution is the WORST case scenario.

All revolutions are conceived by idealists, implemented by fanatics, and its fruits are stolen by scoundrels.
Thomas Carlyle

[MENTION=44192]Vox[/MENTION]
So you'd prefer slavery to the Progressive/Neo-con hybrid under neo-feudalism, rather than attempting to use your 2nd Amendment right to Restore the Rule of Law?

Were the fruits of the American Revolution stolen by scoundrels (not including Alexander Hamilton)?
Was 1776 fought by fanatics?
Was 1776 conceived by ordinary honest men, or ivory tower intellectuals?

This quote only applies to NWO orchestrated revolutions, like Lenin/Stalin/Mao and the like.

If there's ever going to by a time to Restore the Rule of Law, the sooner the better.

And all of that will never happen, because the Spirit of 1776 was defeated by the Spirit of 1787: centralization triumphed over decentralization.

 

[rightwinger]

it shows that you are very young.

the revolution is the WORST case scenario.

All revolutions are conceived by idealists, implemented by fanatics, and its fruits are stolen by scoundrels.
Thomas Carlyle

[MENTION=44192]Vox[/MENTION]
So you'd prefer slavery to the Progressive/Neo-con hybrid under neo-feudalism, rather than attempting to use your 2nd Amendment right to Restore the Rule of Law?

Were the fruits of the American Revolution stolen by scoundrels (not including Alexander Hamilton)?
Was 1776 fought by fanatics?
Was 1776 conceived by ordinary honest men, or ivory tower intellectuals?

This quote only applies to NWO orchestrated revolutions, like Lenin/Stalin/Mao and the like.

If there's ever going to by a time to Restore the Rule of Law, the sooner the better.

And all of that will never happen, because the Spirit of 1776 was defeated by the Spirit of 1787: centralization triumphed over decentralization.

And Republicans have fought against centralization since the 1920s

 

[kwc57]

You seem pretty sure that folks would vote for Hillary.

Me? I'm not so sure. She hasn't exactly covered herself in glory for her stint as SOS and her time as FL wasn't exactly glory time either. Woman sucks.

Hell. She might not even want to run. She and Bill might decide to retire.

If I were you I'd be thinking who else the DNC can run with. Nothing say Clinton will run and your wishing she did won't make it so.

I hear Al Sharpton is still availalbe.

 

[Londoner]

Is anyone else not shocked that people who lost jobs in the recession and were having trouble getting new ones didn't vote for Mitt?

Had Perot - a right of center candidate from decades past - been on the ticket, I would have voted for him.

Perot wanted to make it harder for American corporations to ship production to Communist China. Problem is, the mainstream Republican party is beholden to business, which wants the kind of cheap labor that comes from freedom hating nation's like China.

Do you know how many products Walmart has manufactured in China? Starting with Reagan, the American Government became complicit in the death of middle class jobs. The government became beholden to wealthy investors who didn't want their profits eroded by "first world" labor costs. Point is: Nike, Apple and Walmart make more profits for investors when their products are made by workers who make less than $5 day and live in hovels beneath dictators. This is the dirty little secret of capitalism: it loves slave labor, and so do its investors who amass greater wealth when high wage American jobs are shipped to sweatshops.

To answer your question. Romney is stuck in the same Supply Side policies that have dominated economic policy since Reagan. These policies destroy the one thing that corporations would need to start adding jobs: demand.

Supply Siders believe that if you remove all the Government Policies that stimulated consumer demand and created a solvent middle class - and by so doing transferred all resources and capital to the wealthy - that the money would trickle down in the form of higher paying jobs and competitive pricing. This has proved false. Right after Reagan sold us this snake oil, the jobs were shipped to China and corporations were allowed to go on a mega-merger orgy which resulted in handing most U.S. sectors to large monopolies, which monopolies can raise prices and bankrupt the middle class because consumers are captive to one supplier. This is why people in 90% of Iowa only have one health care option, and it's why many Americans only have 1 option for internet and cable - because the lobbying state created by Reagan (who wanted to put business back in Government), devolved into non-competitive monopolies which fleece the middle class and destroy their ability to consume at the volume needed to sustain job growth. (Problem is: Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh don't teach this)

But it gets worse. Romney also supports a role for the Fed that is toxic to consumer spending. The Fed was created to maintain full employment - to stimulate demand during recessions. This is why all the recessions prior to the Bush Meltdown were relatively short. Granted, one downside of maintaining full employment is inflation, which itself eats away at purchasing power. Because of inflationary worries the GOP under Reagan changed the Fed's role from maintaining full employment to fighting inflation - austerity. [FYI: when Reagan needed to end his '81 recession, he became a vigorous Keynesian, and kept generous taxpayer funding to the states so they could maintain public employees, who themselves were also consumers, which consumers were needed to maintain the consumption levels to prevent a deflationary spiral and the resulting job loss. Obama, on the other hand, has been forced by Republicans to cut-off aid to the states, which is why we have seen massive layoffs to the state sector, and a huge loss in the needed consumer spending to get out of the recession. Of course, Republicans understand none of this because they've been educated by the a ruthlessly ideological information system designed to benefit the wealthy corporate elite that owns the American Government through lobbying and election funding]

But here's the point: the neoliberal austerity of Reaganomics (i.e., welfare to corporations but free market discipline for the middle class) can, like Keynesianism, be over-applied. After 30 years of withdrawing government policy support for middle class purchasing power (and 30 years of trying to fix weak demand by expanding credit/debt based consumption, and 30 years of letting large corporations form anti-consumer mergers (A.K.A. monopolies) over vital consumer sectors), is it any wonder that the consumer is finally too indebted to consume at the necessary levels for economic growth. There is a lesson: you can't fix disappearing jobs and stagnant wages by financializing the economy and handing out credit cards, but this is exactly what Reaganomics did to compensate for moving production to ultra cheap labor markets in Asia and the global south. Now we have the most indebted consumer class in history, and the consumer is too indebted to borrow sufficiently to maintain demand. Translation: our businesses lack enough consumers to justify adding jobs. Yes, the Fed is currently trying every easy money trick in the book to fuel demand - but it's too late. Middle Class purchasing power has been destroyed by having to compete with Chinese labor markets and having monopolized health care, which came by way of lobbying pressure on the GOP, who basically works for the drug companies before accepting lucrative lobbying positions.

Regardless, Mitt would have been a disaster because he brought no new thinking. There are some Republicans who would have been great for the economy, but they would never be allowed near the nomination. Perot is an example of a Republican who wanted American corporations NOT to partner with Communist China against the American worker. Perot didn't want us to send Jobs to sweatshops, but the GOP and the wealthy 1% whom they represent craved ultra cheap labor from freedom hating nations.

Timeline:

1945-1973: Americans have high wages and consume vigorously, which gave capital an incentive to add jobs (so they could capture all the money sitting in middle class wallets). The American economy, during years of postwar Keynesianism and strong unions, sees its greatest growth ever.

1980: Business funds the Reagan ascendancy partly because they are sick of paying American wages. They get Reagan to weaken Labor and trade laws so corporations can slash wages/benefits and ship jobs to cheap labor markets, so corporations can realize higher profits by lowering the cost of production.

1983-2008: to compensate for shipping jobs to China and repealing programs that protected middle class solvency and purchasing power, the Reagan Revolution radically expands credit to American consumers. Domestic consumption is now funded by debt. Check it for yourself. Starting in 1980 American families accumulated unprecedented debt in order to keep pace with disappearing jobs, monopolized health care and slashed benefits/entitlements/programs.

2008: Wall Street and the financial sector creates a conveyor belt that turns the mortgages of the poor into bogus securities and derivatives. Wall Street makes trillions on the way up, then they make trillions hedging the bubble's bursting. Then they get bailed out as the American Middle Class in foreclosed upon.

The Meltdown leads to the death of main street and the final nail in the coffin of middle class purchasing power BUT... [wait for it] the government bails out Wall Street (A.K.A the wealthy private sector) which staffs government through election funding and writes policy through lobbying pressure.

Now the middle class, jobs destroyed and homes turned into casino chips for the wealthy, doesn't have the ability to borrow enough to consume. Demand is dead. Corporations do not have enough consumers to justify adding jobs.

Game over.

 

[Vox]

We will move towards a solution on immigration. After they got their asses kicked in 2012, Republican leadership swore they would be more reasonable......it didn't work
Hispanics will abandon Republicans for good and immigration reform will happpen. If you are given a work visa you are not illegal. Once you have a visa you can work towards citizenship

wrong.

hispanics have never been in the Republican support except ONCE for W. So it is no different then than now.
Don't think that should be the drive to support the amnesty as it will be the rope on which the GOP will be hanged.
Amnesty is NOT supported by Americans - neither right, nor left.

Not in this economical climate

 

[ScienceRocks]

Why does both parties have to be controlled by extremist and nuts?

Why not be moderate and sane?

 

[percysunshine]

If Obama gets a filibustering breaking senate and a House majority, I expect:
(1) A Tax Increase on everyone making ove $250k
(2) A high regulations on coal and natural gase = increase in utility costs
(3) Increase in the tax credit for the electric car from $7,500 to $12K
(4) Amnesty gets passed, but no border security, no border fence, no hit to sanctuary cities, no EVerify and immigration as we know it is still here.
(5) Welfare, food stamps and section 8 increase to create a dependent but large Democratic voting class.
(6) Dodd/Frank gets enhanced pushing out more of the midtier banks and strenghtens the ones at the top.
(7) The push for electric and the clamp down on oil has oil finally go over $5 as the bottom and peaks at $8
(8) Gun Control gets a boost in federal regulation. Expect a fed tax on guns, expect and excessive tax on ammo and other bad laws.

I don't think the Dems will take the house or reach 60 votes, but it's very scary prospect!

A) Obama will do that stuff using Executive authority, with or without Congress. He has already usurped Legislative authority in several cases, and Congress just sits there and lets it happen.

B) The government has already used the Fed to print trillions, and there is no end in sight. We are already screwed, making the 2014 elections irrelevant.

Drink up everyone!

 

[Black_Label]

Freedom and liberty will once again be able to prevail over the constitution hating right wing fascists.

 

[Freewill]

If Obama gets a filibustering breaking senate and a House majority, I expect:
(1) A Tax Increase on everyone making ove $250k
(2) A high regulations on coal and natural gase = increase in utility costs
(3) Increase in the tax credit for the electric car from $7,500 to $12K
(4) Amnesty gets passed, but no border security, no border fence, no hit to sanctuary cities, no EVerify and immigration as we know it is still here.
(5) Welfare, food stamps and section 8 increase to create a dependent but large Democratic voting class.
(6) Dodd/Frank gets enhanced pushing out more of the midtier banks and strenghtens the ones at the top.
(7) The push for electric and the clamp down on oil has oil finally go over $5 as the bottom and peaks at $8
(8) Gun Control gets a boost in federal regulation. Expect a fed tax on guns, expect and excessive tax on ammo and other bad laws.

I don't think the Dems will take the house or reach 60 votes, but it's very scary prospect!

The end of times.

First of all the electric utilities are embracing coal restrictions. Simply they will willingly shut down all coal plants not in compliance, too expensive to update in this down market. That will actually do what they want decrease supply of electricity thus raising the price to, as one electric utility CEO said, "to where it should be." Meanwhile he gets a 55 percent wage increase the workers get maybe 2 percent.

 

[Freewill]

If Obama gets a filibustering breaking senate and a House majority, I expect:
(1) A Tax Increase on everyone making ove $250k
(2) A high regulations on coal and natural gase = increase in utility costs
(3) Increase in the tax credit for the electric car from $7,500 to $12K
(4) Amnesty gets passed, but no border security, no border fence, no hit to sanctuary cities, no EVerify and immigration as we know it is still here.
(5) Welfare, food stamps and section 8 increase to create a dependent but large Democratic voting class.
(6) Dodd/Frank gets enhanced pushing out more of the midtier banks and strenghtens the ones at the top.
(7) The push for electric and the clamp down on oil has oil finally go over $5 as the bottom and peaks at $8
(8) Gun Control gets a boost in federal regulation. Expect a fed tax on guns, expect and excessive tax on ammo and other bad laws.

I don't think the Dems will take the house or reach 60 votes, but it's very scary prospect!

A) Obama will do that stuff using Executive authority, with or without Congress. He has already usurped Legislative authority in several cases, and Congress just sits there and lets it happen.

B) The government has already used the Fed to print trillions, and there is no end in sight. We are already screwed, making the 2014 elections irrelevant.

Drink up everyone!

the right wing of congress has no power to stop his power grab. The left wing is complicit.

 

[rightwinger]

We will move towards a solution on immigration. After they got their asses kicked in 2012, Republican leadership swore they would be more reasonable......it didn't work
Hispanics will abandon Republicans for good and immigration reform will happpen. If you are given a work visa you are not illegal. Once you have a visa you can work towards citizenship

wrong.

hispanics have never been in the Republican support except ONCE for W. So it is no different then than now.
Don't think that should be the drive to support the amnesty as it will be the rope on which the GOP will be hanged.
Amnesty is NOT supported by Americans - neither right, nor left.

Not in this economical climate

Hispanics as a rule are conservative. Hard working, family oriented, religious

You have to work pretty hard to drive them away......Republicans have succeeded

 

[billyerock1991]

If Obama gets a filibustering breaking senate and a House majority, I expect:
(1) A Tax Increase on everyone making ove $250k
(2) A high regulations on coal and natural gase = increase in utility costs
(3) Increase in the tax credit for the electric car from $7,500 to $12K
(4) Amnesty gets passed, but no border security, no border fence, no hit to sanctuary cities, no EVerify and immigration as we know it is still here.
(5) Welfare, food stamps and section 8 increase to create a dependent but large Democratic voting class.
(6) Dodd/Frank gets enhanced pushing out more of the midtier banks and strenghtens the ones at the top.
(7) The push for electric and the clamp down on oil has oil finally go over $5 as the bottom and peaks at $8
(8) Gun Control gets a boost in federal regulation. Expect a fed tax on guns, expect and excessive tax on ammo and other bad laws.

I don't think the Dems will take the house or reach 60 votes, but it's very scary prospect!

you forgot ine thing .... jobs up the ass... more jos then their people to hire