What if Hobby Lobby was run by Muslims imposing Sharia law on workers?

[KNB]

The Supreme Court would have ruled the same way..However, it would never have gotten as far as the Supreme Court, the Libs would not make an issue against Muslims Religious Rights.

But Conservatives, by comparison, would?

 

[kaz]

There is no such thing as "too big to fail".

Too big to fail was a liberal construct. Libertarians wanted them to fail.

I always like how you forced them to make bad loans, which we opposed. You funded them with endless, zero interest money, which we opposed. Then when they failed, you bailed them out, which we opposed.

Then the whole thing was our fault...

 

[Redfish]

How does Sharia law violate the US Constitution but Christianity does not? Both claim to be the only "correct" religion and everyone else will go to Hell.

Please don't say that it's because Christianity doesn't tell its followers to go out and kill. The body counts on both sides of this 13-year-long war show that good white American Christians don't have any problem at all with killing Muslims of all ages. If Hobby Lobby gets religious freedom then so does every corporation. A Muslim corporation can adopt Sharia law in the United States if it wants to, because corporations are people with deeply held religious beliefs. That's the ruling.

"Learn to live with it."

sharia law makes women second class citizens, Christianity does not. Sharia law requires that women not drive or show their hair in public, Christianity does not.

Hobby Lobby has moved their female employees into a lower class by denying them a financial benefit of employment that other female employees at other businesses are legally entitled to.

not providing free abortion pills moves female employees into a lower class?? Do you ever think about what you post?

 

[TooTall]

How does Sharia law violate the US Constitution but Christianity does not? Both claim to be the only "correct" religion and everyone else will go to Hell.

Please don't say that it's because Christianity doesn't tell its followers to go out and kill. The body counts on both sides of this 13-year-long war show that good white American Christians don't have any problem at all with killing Muslims of all ages. If Hobby Lobby gets religious freedom then so does every corporation. A Muslim corporation can adopt Sharia law in the United States if it wants to, because corporations are people with deeply held religious beliefs. That's the ruling.

"Learn to live with it."

from above;

good white American Christians don't have any problem at all with killing Muslims of all age

The last I heard Obama had a few muslims killed and he isn't a good white American Christian. I call you a racist.

What part of "good white American Christians love to kill Muslims" involves Obama? You said yourself that Obama isn't a white American Christian, so.....

Wholesome white American Christian Conservatives love to kill Muslims of all ages.

Or are you saying that good white American Conservative Christians oppose Obama for killing Muslims? Is that it? Would you really like to try to argue that?

Good, wholesome, whitebread American white Christian Conservatives LOVE to kill Muslims. It doesn't matter who the President is.

Muslim corporations are allowed their religious freedom, too. That's the ruling.

"Learn to live with it."

Who told you that any Christian of any color LOVE to kill anyone? They lied to you.
I will repeat that Obama is not a white American Christian Conservative, and he personally picks the targets of what muslims he kills with his drone attacks.

Do good black or white American Liberals oppose Obama for killing Muslims?

 

[SmedlyButler]

What if Hobby Lobby was run by Muslims imposing Sharia law on workers?

Former Star Trek actor George Takei blasted Monday’s decision by the Supreme Court allowing the craft store Hobby Lobby to opt out of the contraceptive mandate of the Affordable Care Act.

In a post on the website for his new play, Allegiance, the openly gay Takei called Monday’s decision “a stunning setback for women’s reproductive rights.”

“The ruling elevates the rights of a FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION over those of its women employees and opens the door to all manner of claims that a company can refuse services based on its owner’s religion,” Takei wrote.

He referred to Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg’s blistering 35-page dissent to the decision, saying, “Think about the ramifications: As Justice Ginsberg’s stinging dissent pointed out, companies run by Scientologists could refuse to cover antidepressants, and those run by Jews or Hindus could refuse to cover medications derived from pigs (such as many anesthetics, intravenous fluids, or medications coated in gelatin).”

“(O)ne wonders,” he said, “whether the case would have come out differently if a Muslim-run chain business attempted to impose Sharia law on its employees.”

DOH!


Sulu corners the far-right tea brains with LOGIC!!

I posted this a few days ago;

What happens when Muslim businesses in the designated categories start opting out of laws that don't conform to Sharia? I have a feeling our Confederate, sorry, I mean Conservative friends will be whistling a different tune, Yes?

This is a bad decision, which isn't a first for SCOTUS. They have reversed themselves many times and will have to do so again in this case. The only question is "How long wil it take?"

--It took 50yrs for Brown vs Board of Ed. to overturn Plessy.
--It only took 12yrs for Mapp vs Ohio to overturn Wolf vs Colorado in 1961 (an important 4thA case)
--Austin v. Michigan State Chamber of Commerce(1990) was partly overturned by Citizens United.
--Pace v. Alabama (1883) (an anti-miscegenation law) wasn't overturned until 80yrs later by Loving v. Virginia
--Adler v. Board of Education (1952) (required teachers to swear a loyalty oath) was overturned in th 60's by Keyishian v. Board of Regents of the University of the State of New York (after this case the teachers fired in the 50's sued and won)

So you can see that SCOTUS decisions aren't written in stone by the Allmighty. Some of the most important cases in U.S. history have been reversals of previous rulings, Stare decisis or no. (Scalia says that Clarence Thomas, the darling of the Right doesn't believe in the concept at all!)

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Christianity won't stop them from getting pregnant, either. But it will stop them from preventing pregnancy. That was the ruling.

If private corporations have religious freedom then what religion is the Federal Reserve? Christianity? Jesus threw out the money lenders. Greed is a sin. What religion is the Vatican Bank? What religion is HSBC? Monsanto? Lockheed-Martin? Northrop Grumman? Does God smile favorably upon weapons manufacturers and craft stores alike?

Corporations are People now with freedom of speech (the majority of the world's wealth) and freedom of religion (freedom to follow whichever laws they choose to obey).

If private corporations have religious freedom then what religion is the Federal Reserve?

The Fed is part of our government.

What religion is HSBC? Monsanto? Lockheed-Martin? Northrop Grumman?

Those aren't privately held corporations.

 

[KNB]

from above;

The last I heard Obama had a few muslims killed and he isn't a good white American Christian. I call you a racist.

What part of "good white American Christians love to kill Muslims" involves Obama? You said yourself that Obama isn't a white American Christian, so.....

Wholesome white American Christian Conservatives love to kill Muslims of all ages.

Or are you saying that good white American Conservative Christians oppose Obama for killing Muslims? Is that it? Would you really like to try to argue that?

Good, wholesome, whitebread American white Christian Conservatives LOVE to kill Muslims. It doesn't matter who the President is.

Muslim corporations are allowed their religious freedom, too. That's the ruling.

"Learn to live with it."

Who told you that any Christian of any color LOVE to kill anyone? They lied to you.
I will repeat that Obama is not a white American Christian Conservative, and he personally picks the targets of what muslims he kills with his drone attacks.

Do good black or white American Liberals oppose Obama for killing Muslims?

Of course Christians love to kill Muslims. Don't deny it. Lies make baby Jesus cry.

You've let your government kill Muslims of all ages for the past 13 years, across two continents, in six countries that did not attack America on 9/11. You don't even know who it is that you're fighting, and all the while that you're killing civilians, you're creating new extremists and people who want revenge, to vent their rage and frustrations at the Godless and gutless American system that rains Hellfire on them from 3,000 miles away.

And for what? What the fuck is "victory" in this war? It was eight years between WTC attacks. How the fuck are you ever going to know it you've won? Who cares, right? They're dirty brown Muslims on the other side of the planet, right? They deserve to die for 9/11, right?

You don't know who it is that you're killing, or why you're still killing them after 13 years, or when the war is ever going to be over. White American Christians haven't raised a finger to stop the slaughter. Not once in 13 years. Because white American Christian Conservatives don't care about Muslims.

Yes, Progressives oppose Obama for killing civilians because ending the killing of civilians is considered human progress.

 

[Redfish]

What part of "good white American Christians love to kill Muslims" involves Obama? You said yourself that Obama isn't a white American Christian, so.....

Wholesome white American Christian Conservatives love to kill Muslims of all ages.

Or are you saying that good white American Conservative Christians oppose Obama for killing Muslims? Is that it? Would you really like to try to argue that?

Good, wholesome, whitebread American white Christian Conservatives LOVE to kill Muslims. It doesn't matter who the President is.

Muslim corporations are allowed their religious freedom, too. That's the ruling.

"Learn to live with it."

Who told you that any Christian of any color LOVE to kill anyone? They lied to you.
I will repeat that Obama is not a white American Christian Conservative, and he personally picks the targets of what muslims he kills with his drone attacks.

Do good black or white American Liberals oppose Obama for killing Muslims?

Of course Christians love to kill Muslims. Don't deny it. Lies make baby Jesus cry.

You've let your government kill Muslims of all ages for the past 13 years, across two continents, in six countries that did not attack America on 9/11. You don't even know who it is that you're fighting, and all the while that you're killing civilians, you're creating new extremists and people who want revenge, to vent their rage and frustrations at the Godless and gutless American system that rains Hellfire on them from 3,000 miles away.

And for what? What the fuck is "victory" in this war? It was eight years between WTC attacks. How the fuck are you ever going to know it you've won? Who cares, right? They're dirty brown Muslims on the other side of the planet, right? They deserve to die for 9/11, right?

You don't know who it is that you're killing, or why you're still killing them after 13 years, or when the war is ever going to be over. White American Christians haven't raised a finger to stop the slaughter. Not once in 13 years. Because white American Christian Conservatives don't care about Muslims.

Yes, Progressives oppose Obama for killing civilians because ending the killing of civilians is considered human progress.

when do you expect radical muslims to stop killing innocents? when do you expect them to give up their jihad against everything and everyone non-muslim?

you live in a fantasy world.

human progress would occur if the leaders of all the major religions of the world and the leaders of all nations of the world pledged to stop denigrating and hating everyone who disagrees with them and to let everyone act and believe what they choose. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

 

[KNB]

Who told you that any Christian of any color LOVE to kill anyone? They lied to you.
I will repeat that Obama is not a white American Christian Conservative, and he personally picks the targets of what muslims he kills with his drone attacks.

Do good black or white American Liberals oppose Obama for killing Muslims?

Of course Christians love to kill Muslims. Don't deny it. Lies make baby Jesus cry.

You've let your government kill Muslims of all ages for the past 13 years, across two continents, in six countries that did not attack America on 9/11. You don't even know who it is that you're fighting, and all the while that you're killing civilians, you're creating new extremists and people who want revenge, to vent their rage and frustrations at the Godless and gutless American system that rains Hellfire on them from 3,000 miles away.

And for what? What the fuck is "victory" in this war? It was eight years between WTC attacks. How the fuck are you ever going to know it you've won? Who cares, right? They're dirty brown Muslims on the other side of the planet, right? They deserve to die for 9/11, right?

You don't know who it is that you're killing, or why you're still killing them after 13 years, or when the war is ever going to be over. White American Christians haven't raised a finger to stop the slaughter. Not once in 13 years. Because white American Christian Conservatives don't care about Muslims.

Yes, Progressives oppose Obama for killing civilians because ending the killing of civilians is considered human progress.

when do you expect radical muslims to stop killing innocents? when do you expect them to give up their jihad against everything and everyone non-muslim?

you live in a fantasy world.

human progress would occur if the leaders of all the major religions of the world and the leaders of all nations of the world pledged to stop denigrating and hating everyone who disagrees with them and to let everyone act and believe what they choose. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

You really think this shit is as superficial as a religious war? You've played God with that region for oil since the end of World War II, propped up dictators, overthrown democratic governments, killed prominent leaders and activists, wreaked mayhem and bloodshed on the entire Middle East, and you think that they flew jets into buildings because they "hate our freedom"?

Religion is a tool for both sides of this war, but religion is not the reason for this war.

 

[bripat9643]

the exact law is still in effect, the dates were postponed, so no, Federal law wasn't changed.

The LAW says that parts of the law are to be implemented on certain dates, the law says that no company is exempt. Obama, without congress, changed the implementation dates and issued illegal exemptions.

federal law was broken.

then look who broke the law ..

House GOP votes to delay Obamacare for one year





Such changes are common in Congress, according to our experts.

"Legislators aren't perfect," said Jost. "They don't get everything right the first time. That’s the nature of the legislative process."

It is also clear that Obama did not drive the majority of the changes. They emerged as Congress worked on various elements of a multi-faceted law. Still, Obama signed off on those changes as part of larger pieces of legislation.

It's perfectly Constitutional for Congress to change legislation by majority vote, dumbass. It isn't legal for the President to do it unilaterally.

It's obvious the main reason for the idiocies libturds believe is their profound ignorance.

 

[daveman]

What if Hobby Lobby was run by Muslims imposing Sharia law on workers?

What if progressives weren't shit-eating retards?

Oh, yeah -- they wouldn't be progressives. Kerry on.

 

[Redfish]

Of course Christians love to kill Muslims. Don't deny it. Lies make baby Jesus cry.

You've let your government kill Muslims of all ages for the past 13 years, across two continents, in six countries that did not attack America on 9/11. You don't even know who it is that you're fighting, and all the while that you're killing civilians, you're creating new extremists and people who want revenge, to vent their rage and frustrations at the Godless and gutless American system that rains Hellfire on them from 3,000 miles away.

And for what? What the fuck is "victory" in this war? It was eight years between WTC attacks. How the fuck are you ever going to know it you've won? Who cares, right? They're dirty brown Muslims on the other side of the planet, right? They deserve to die for 9/11, right?

You don't know who it is that you're killing, or why you're still killing them after 13 years, or when the war is ever going to be over. White American Christians haven't raised a finger to stop the slaughter. Not once in 13 years. Because white American Christian Conservatives don't care about Muslims.

Yes, Progressives oppose Obama for killing civilians because ending the killing of civilians is considered human progress.

when do you expect radical muslims to stop killing innocents? when do you expect them to give up their jihad against everything and everyone non-muslim?

you live in a fantasy world.

human progress would occur if the leaders of all the major religions of the world and the leaders of all nations of the world pledged to stop denigrating and hating everyone who disagrees with them and to let everyone act and believe what they choose. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

You really think this shit is as superficial as a religious war? You've played God with that region for oil since the end of World War II, propped up dictators, overthrown democratic governments, killed prominent leaders and activists, wreaked mayhem and bloodshed on the entire Middle East, and you think that they flew jets into buildings because they "hate our freedom"?

Religion is a tool for both sides of this war, but religion is not the reason for this war.

Do we get oil by supporting freedom for Israel? I agree that oil is a factor, but there has been war in that part of the world long before anyone figured out that there was oil under that sand. They have been fighting a religious war for 3000 years.

I agree that we should not intervene. I also agree that we should be drilling, fracking, building nuclear plants, solar plants, hydro plants, wind farms, and everything else----but we aren't, any idea why?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Businesses can't make law, they make policy. They cannot govern their employees with laws, only rules. Those rules are subject to the machinations of US law and jurisprudence.

Mr. Takei, Captain Kirk called, he says you need to lay in a course for common sense.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What if Hobby Lobby was run by Muslims imposing Sharia law on workers?

What if hazlnut had brain cells that actually worked?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

how exactly is imposing religious belief onto people in anyway comparable to what the employer covers for healthcare? You guys are so stupid your brain leaks quickly form your ears daily.

did you not read the quote in the piece?


It was very specific about which med scientologists and hindus wouldn't have to cover.


Fuck, people, read or don't post in my thread.

Let me make it simple for you, no one should have to pay for anything they don't want to, for any reason.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Yeah, comparing apples to cinder blocks is a real gotcha.

How is this hypothetical different? They both involve a closely held corporation's religious views being reflected in their business practices. Or is there some sort of religious chauvinism going on on your part?

Did you actually ask that question? Do you not understand the difference between not paying for something and forcing people to do things?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

To the OP.

There are muslim businesses that impose muslim practices on their employees. All of their employees are muslims.

Why would a non-muslim want to work for a muslim employer?

Your OP is foolish. Plus you have no idea what the SCOTUS ruling was all about.

Re-read the OP -- it was very specific about meds certain religions wouldn't approve.

Try reading before posting.

Try reading the actual decision, it was very specific that inoculations, and other life saving medications, wouldn't pass muster under a RFRA challenge.

In other words, you are an idiot.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Show me any conservative poster here who agrees that Sharia law, or least parts of it, would be protected under the 1st amendment even though it contradicted federal law.

let me ask you, was obama violating federal law when he unilaterally changed the ACA law numerous times? The law contains specific implementation schedules, obama changed them without congressional action, should he be impeached for violating his oath of office?

the exact law is still in effect, the dates were postponed, so no, Federal law wasn't changed.

What color is the sky in your world?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

the exact law is still in effect, the dates were postponed, so no, Federal law wasn't changed.

The LAW says that parts of the law are to be implemented on certain dates, the law says that no company is exempt. Obama, without congress, changed the implementation dates and issued illegal exemptions.

federal law was broken.

then look who broke the law ..

House GOP votes to delay Obamacare for one year





Such changes are common in Congress, according to our experts.

"Legislators aren't perfect," said Jost. "They don't get everything right the first time. That’s the nature of the legislative process."

It is also clear that Obama did not drive the majority of the changes. They emerged as Congress worked on various elements of a multi-faceted law. Still, Obama signed off on those changes as part of larger pieces of legislation.

Yes, Congress actually has the authority to change a law. I know that boggles your brain cell, but it really does work that way. The president, however, doesn't. In fact, the Constitution says that he has faithfully execute all the laws.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Show me where Hobby Lobby has made demands that people can't fuck anything or anybody that they want to.

Show me where Hobby Lobby has made the demand that you can't have an orgy or trade partners or get drilled up the ass or made the demand that you can't use a dildo or all of the above.

Then and only then will I buy into your argument.

Your post has nothing to do with my post. Sober up and try again.

That's nuts... Sharia directly conflicts with the U.S. constitution. We don't allow dismemberment, prohibiting driving based on gender, killing people because of sexual preference, etc. Not to mention that Sharia is a form of government, well, you know... that whole establishment clause thingy.

Try again?

So a religious belief applied to a business practice that denied an employee equal protection under the law - which is constitutionally protected - should be unconstitutional because, as you say, it directly conflicts with the US Constitution.

That's what Hobby lobby's denial of medical coverage does.