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Religious fundamentalism doesn't usually mix well with science....according to wikipedia, the end of the age is variously given as 1258 when Bagdad was sacked by the Mongols and 1492 when the Christians conquored Granada. Arab countries have a serious brain drain going on.Religious fundamentalism doesn't usually mix well with science....according to wikipedia, the end of the age is variously given as 1258 when Bagdad was sacked by the Mongols and 1492 when the Christians conquored Granada. Arab countries have a serious brain drain going on.
I really wonder why so many of the posters rely on Wikipedia so much. Years ago when all of us had to do reports for school, we either had a set of encyclopedias at home or went to the library to use their sets. I can see why, when there was an article on Wikipedia in my newspaper, some teacher said that she didn't allow her students to use that as a source for their reports as anything could be put in. In a regular encyclopedia, you have had scholars and researchers doing a darn good job of giving information to the public.
Caliphate Islamic history -- Encyclopedia Britannica
Yet despite that Sally, your source gave essentially the same information as Wikipedia gave me:
"...it ceased to exist with the Mongol destruction of Baghdad in 1258"
One of the proposed endpoints of the Islamic Golden Age.
Don t Blame It on al-Ghazali
al-Ghazali Abu Hamid 1058-1111
Thank you - that is a fascinating read
History is not always what is in an encyclopedia. What some thing of as history is limit by the writers knowledge.
The greatest gift Arabs have given the world is a lesson in propaganda. They learned much from their collaboration with the Nazis in ww2, and have used the techniques they learned to not only create a whole new people out of whole cloth, but also a sense of victimhood so thorough that the relationship between those persecuting and those being persecuted has been completely reversed in the minds of those who have fallen victim to it.
I lived in Turkey for 2 years. I have had many friends who are Turkish. They do not consider themselves as Arabs. They are Asian. It is Asia Minor, not the Middle East. Turkish people in no way consider themselves Arab. Only about one percent of Turkish people even speak Arabic. Arabs, and I've lived in the ME too, do not consider Turks as Arabs. No one with any knowledge of this issue considers Turks as Arabs. Their history is not Arabic. They are not Arabic. As well, Turkish culture is not the same as Arabic culture: you don't know that because you have lived in neither place. And Turkish food is far more similar, almost identical in fact, to Greek food, not Arabic food. You are very ignorant about this issue.LMAO The Turks are NOT Arabs. Too funny.The Arabs greatly contributed to construction/structure technique, math, poetry, and tradition in the past, but they did lost more than given instead of adopting the changing world and advance from the 7th century, the Turks are excellent 'indicator' for it. [and yes they are Arabs]
They are Asians. Do you think Indonesians are also Arabs? Do you think all Muslims are Arabs? Too fucking funny.
Almost all of what we call "the middle east" is in Asia.
Nice rant! What part of my post is not true? Turkey is In Asia. Most of what we call the Mid East is in Asia. Fact.
Don't you understand: it isn't what I "consider" or what you "consider." It is what is. Turkish people are not Arabs. Their culture is not Arabic; their history is not Arabic. Period.I Know the Turks are proud nation and they see themselves distinguished "race", which is partly true, but the Arabian influence and the Islam (Islam is the Arab main culture frame) are the major part of Turkey.Bullshit. Totally untrue. You can consider them anything you want, but they are not Arabic. All Islamic cultures are not Arabic. What an ignorant thing to think.The Turkish culture is Arabian culture like most ME Arab/Muslim states, it is easier to count the differences instead of the similarities , which is why I consider them Arabs, it is influenced by Islam that is correct, those who live on the border are mostly to be influenced by the two sides of the borders, did you see Turks eating Bak'lawa on Eid El-Fit'er with chopsticks?LMAO The Turks are NOT Arabs. Too funny.
They are Asians. Do you think Indonesians are also Arabs? Do you think all Muslims are Arabs? Too fucking funny.
Are Turks arabs or....Are Turks "arabs" or....?
No we aren't. As you also called us, we are Turks.
Here is a brief history of Turkish people :
The first historical references to the Turks appear in Chinese records of about 2000 B.C. These records refer to tribes called the Hsiung-nu, an early form of the Western term Hun, who lived in an area bounded by the Altai Mountains, Lake Baikal, and the northern edge of the Gobi Desert and are believed to have been the ancestors of the Turks. Specific references in Chinese sources in the sixth century A.D. identify the tribal kingdom called Tu-Küe located on the Orkhon River south of Lake Baikal. The Khans (chiefs) of this tribe accepted the nominal suzerainty of the Tang dynasty. The earliest known example of writing in a Turkic language was found in that area and can be dated from about A.D. 730.
Other Turkish nomads from the Altai region founded the Göktürk Empire, a confederation of tribes under a dynasty of Khans whose influence extended during the sixth to eighth centuries from the Aral Sea to the Hindu Kush in the land bridge known as Transoxania, i.e., across the Oxus River. The Göktürks are known to have been enlisted by a Byzantine emperor in the seventh century as allies against the Sassanians. In the eighth century some Turkish tribes, among them the Oguz, moved south of the Oxus River, while others migrated west to the northern shore of the Black Sea.
Turks came into Asia Minor in 1071 AD after the victory of Malazgirt War by the Seljuks.
Although nowaday some Turks are mixed with some other ethnicities who were ruled by Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years which include, Bosnian, Circassian, Greek, Laz, Albanian, Armenian, Syrian, Kurd etc , there are a lot of pure blood ones, as well.
We don't consider Turkishness as an ethnicity matter but a national matter. Therefore, whomever considers himself/herself a Turk, then he/she is one.
Bottom line: Turks are not Arabs no matter how you wish to view them.
Let me ask you a question, do you consider Israel as part of Africa or Asia?
Bullshit
They are all A-rabs
Saudis, Iraqis, Iranians, Turks, Indians. Packis......all towlheads that are different than us normal people and should be feared
The greatest gift Arabs have given the world is a lesson in propaganda. They learned much from their collaboration with the Nazis in ww2, and have used the techniques they learned to not only create a whole new people out of whole cloth, but also a sense of victimhood so thorough that the relationship between those persecuting and those being persecuted has been completely reversed in the minds of those who have fallen victim to it.
The master of propaganda today is Israel.
Bullshit. What absolute nonsense.Don't you understand: it isn't what I "consider" or what you "consider." It is what is. Turkish people are not Arabs. Their culture is not Arabic; their history is not Arabic. Period.I Know the Turks are proud nation and they see themselves distinguished "race", which is partly true, but the Arabian influence and the Islam (Islam is the Arab main culture frame) are the major part of Turkey.Bullshit. Totally untrue. You can consider them anything you want, but they are not Arabic. All Islamic cultures are not Arabic. What an ignorant thing to think.The Turkish culture is Arabian culture like most ME Arab/Muslim states, it is easier to count the differences instead of the similarities , which is why I consider them Arabs, it is influenced by Islam that is correct, those who live on the border are mostly to be influenced by the two sides of the borders, did you see Turks eating Bak'lawa on Eid El-Fit'er with chopsticks?
Are Turks arabs or....Are Turks "arabs" or....?
No we aren't. As you also called us, we are Turks.
Here is a brief history of Turkish people :
The first historical references to the Turks appear in Chinese records of about 2000 B.C. These records refer to tribes called the Hsiung-nu, an early form of the Western term Hun, who lived in an area bounded by the Altai Mountains, Lake Baikal, and the northern edge of the Gobi Desert and are believed to have been the ancestors of the Turks. Specific references in Chinese sources in the sixth century A.D. identify the tribal kingdom called Tu-Küe located on the Orkhon River south of Lake Baikal. The Khans (chiefs) of this tribe accepted the nominal suzerainty of the Tang dynasty. The earliest known example of writing in a Turkic language was found in that area and can be dated from about A.D. 730.
Other Turkish nomads from the Altai region founded the Göktürk Empire, a confederation of tribes under a dynasty of Khans whose influence extended during the sixth to eighth centuries from the Aral Sea to the Hindu Kush in the land bridge known as Transoxania, i.e., across the Oxus River. The Göktürks are known to have been enlisted by a Byzantine emperor in the seventh century as allies against the Sassanians. In the eighth century some Turkish tribes, among them the Oguz, moved south of the Oxus River, while others migrated west to the northern shore of the Black Sea.
Turks came into Asia Minor in 1071 AD after the victory of Malazgirt War by the Seljuks.
Although nowaday some Turks are mixed with some other ethnicities who were ruled by Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years which include, Bosnian, Circassian, Greek, Laz, Albanian, Armenian, Syrian, Kurd etc , there are a lot of pure blood ones, as well.
We don't consider Turkishness as an ethnicity matter but a national matter. Therefore, whomever considers himself/herself a Turk, then he/she is one.
Bottom line: Turks are not Arabs no matter how you wish to view them.
Let me ask you a question, do you consider Israel as part of Africa or Asia?
Bullshit
They are all A-rabs
Saudis, Iraqis, Iranians, Turks, Indians. Packis......all towlheads that are different than us normal people and should be feared
Pakistanis are not arabs, they are Indians. But they are part of the Islamic culture. The true arabs look down on those from outside the Arabian peninsular as plastic second or third class muslims
The master of propaganda today is Israel.
The master of propaganda today is Israel.
If they were actually good at it, boards such as this one wouldn't be infested with legions of you hateful antisemites raging away at them because they are Jewish while parroting every stupid Pallywood terrorist talking point.
Don't you understand: it isn't what I "consider" or what you "consider." It is what is. Turkish people are not Arabs. Their culture is not Arabic; their history is not Arabic. Period.I Know the Turks are proud nation and they see themselves distinguished "race", which is partly true, but the Arabian influence and the Islam (Islam is the Arab main culture frame) are the major part of Turkey.Bullshit. Totally untrue. You can consider them anything you want, but they are not Arabic. All Islamic cultures are not Arabic. What an ignorant thing to think.The Turkish culture is Arabian culture like most ME Arab/Muslim states, it is easier to count the differences instead of the similarities , which is why I consider them Arabs, it is influenced by Islam that is correct, those who live on the border are mostly to be influenced by the two sides of the borders, did you see Turks eating Bak'lawa on Eid El-Fit'er with chopsticks?
Are Turks arabs or....Are Turks "arabs" or....?
No we aren't. As you also called us, we are Turks.
Here is a brief history of Turkish people :
The first historical references to the Turks appear in Chinese records of about 2000 B.C. These records refer to tribes called the Hsiung-nu, an early form of the Western term Hun, who lived in an area bounded by the Altai Mountains, Lake Baikal, and the northern edge of the Gobi Desert and are believed to have been the ancestors of the Turks. Specific references in Chinese sources in the sixth century A.D. identify the tribal kingdom called Tu-Küe located on the Orkhon River south of Lake Baikal. The Khans (chiefs) of this tribe accepted the nominal suzerainty of the Tang dynasty. The earliest known example of writing in a Turkic language was found in that area and can be dated from about A.D. 730.
Other Turkish nomads from the Altai region founded the Göktürk Empire, a confederation of tribes under a dynasty of Khans whose influence extended during the sixth to eighth centuries from the Aral Sea to the Hindu Kush in the land bridge known as Transoxania, i.e., across the Oxus River. The Göktürks are known to have been enlisted by a Byzantine emperor in the seventh century as allies against the Sassanians. In the eighth century some Turkish tribes, among them the Oguz, moved south of the Oxus River, while others migrated west to the northern shore of the Black Sea.
Turks came into Asia Minor in 1071 AD after the victory of Malazgirt War by the Seljuks.
Although nowaday some Turks are mixed with some other ethnicities who were ruled by Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years which include, Bosnian, Circassian, Greek, Laz, Albanian, Armenian, Syrian, Kurd etc , there are a lot of pure blood ones, as well.
We don't consider Turkishness as an ethnicity matter but a national matter. Therefore, whomever considers himself/herself a Turk, then he/she is one.
Bottom line: Turks are not Arabs no matter how you wish to view them.
Let me ask you a question, do you consider Israel as part of Africa or Asia?
Bullshit
They are all A-rabs
Saudis, Iraqis, Iranians, Turks, Indians. Packis......all towlheads that are different than us normal people and should be feared
Pakistanis are not arabs, they are Indians. But they are part of the Islamic culture. The true arabs look down on those from outside the Arabian peninsular as plastic second or third class muslims
