What Fascism Is and What It Isn't

[sealybobo]

The market decides what you are worth. I know it pisses you off that consumers have passed judgement on the value of your skills and found them wanting.

So, "the market" decided I'm worth $100K a year and in Mexico a guy who does the exact same thing I do makes $20,000 a year because "the market" decided that?

Or a guy in China probably does what I do for 20 cents a day because "the market" decided?

What about the market in Russia? How come it hasn't decided invading Urkraine was a bad idea?

But you are right in a way. My brother is a VP and he makes $1 million a year because another company might pay him that if they don't. And his former female employee is now the VP of another company and she makes $2 million a year because diversity candidates are in high demand and not a big supply of people who are qualified.

So I'll give you partial credit for your reply that seems a bit obtuse.

 

[sealybobo]

Fascism is not far right but I love it when a DNC cultist tries to redefine a word so it doesn't fit what they are.

This is classic projection. It's like when Republicans try to pretend it was Democrats who were racist back in the day, not them. Yet today Republicans are the ones who worship General Lee??? They don't realize back then those "Democrats" were actually today's republicans.

Republicans back then who argued for segregation, today they argue against affirmative action and crt and blm.

 

[bripat9643]

So, "the market" decided I'm worth $100K a year and in Mexico a guy who does the exact same thing I do makes $20,000 a year because "the market" decided that?

Or a guy in China probably does what I do for 20 cents a day because "the market" decided?

What about the market in Russia? How come it hasn't decided invading Urkraine was a bad idea?

But you are right in a way. My brother is a VP and he makes $1 million a year because another company might pay him that if they don't. And his former female employee is now the VP of another company and she makes $2 million a year because diversity candidates are in high demand and not a big supply of people who are qualified.

So I'll give you partial credit for your reply that seems a bit obtuse.

Assuming what you say is true, which I seriously doubt, then yes, the market decided that.

BTW, the market has decided that it was a bad idea for Russia to invade Ukraine.

I doubt your claims about wages in other countries are accurate. Wages in China are considerably higher than your estimate, for example.

 

[sealybobo]

Assuming what you say is true, which I seriously doubt, then yes, the market decided that.

BTW, the market has decided that it was a bad idea for Russia to invade Ukraine.

I doubt your claims about wages in other countries are accurate. Wages in China are considerably higher than your estimate, for example.

That's not the point. Ok, say it's $20 a day. Is that better? Did the market decide my counterpart in Asia only makes $20 a day and I make $400 a day?

 

[bripat9643]

That's not the point. Ok, say it's $20 a day. Is that better? Did the market decide my counterpart in Asia only makes $20 a day and I make $400 a day?

Yes, because you live in a country with a cost of labor that is significantly higher than China's. If other employers can afford to pay you $400/day, then that's what your employer has to pay you.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

This is classic projection. It's like when Republicans try to pretend it was Democrats who were racist back in the day, not them. Yet today Republicans are the ones who worship General Lee??? They don't realize back then those "Democrats" were actually today's republicans.

Republicans back then who argued for segregation, today they argue against affirmative action and crt and blm.

Fascism is the government and corporations working together. Seems you DNC cultists have tried to redefine the meaning.

 

[xyz]

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3]

As it relates to business, here's how it intersects....

1. Major Italian groups politically on the right, especially rich landowners and big business, feared an uprising by groups on the left, such as sharecroppers and labour unions.[67] They welcomed Fascism and supported its violent suppression of opponents on the left.[68] The accommodation of the political right into the Italian Fascist movement in the early 1920s created internal factions within the movement.
2. The ANI held ties and influence among conservatives, Catholics, and the business community.[108] Italian national syndicalists held a common set of principles: the rejection of bourgeois values, democracy, liberalism, Marxism, internationalism, and pacifism, and the promotion of heroism, vitalism, and violence.[109] The ANI claimed that liberal democracy was no longer compatible with the modern world, and advocated a strong state and imperialism. They believed that humans are naturally predatory, and that nations are in a constant struggle in which only the strongest would survive.[110]
3. In 1920, militant strike activity by industrial workers reached its peak in Italy and 1919 and 1920 were known as the "Red Year" (Biennio Rosso).[136] Mussolini and the Fascists took advantage of the situation by allying with industrial businesses and attacking workers and peasants in the name of preserving order and internal peace in Italy.[137]
4. Historian Stanley G. Payne says: "[Fascism in Italy was a] primarily political dictatorship. ... The Fascist Party itself had become almost completely bureaucratized and subservient to, not dominant over, the state itself. Big business, industry, and finance retained extensive autonomy, particularly in the early years. The armed forces also enjoyed considerable autonomy. ... The Fascist militia was placed under military control. ... The judicial system was left largely intact and relatively autonomous as well. The police continued to be directed by state officials and were not taken over by party leaders ... nor was a major new police elite created.
5. Due to the worldwide depression, Mussolini's government was able to take over most of Italy's largest failing banks, who held controlling interest in many Italian businesses.
6. Source: Fascism - Wikipedia

It isn't what some have been pretending it to be of late.

Let's go deeper. There's a political party in America who's members are characterized by the belief in at least 2 or more of the following...

• Ultranationalist
• Militarism
• Forcible suppression of opposition
• Belief in a natural social hierarchy
• Subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race
• Strong regimentation of society and the economy

Anyone care to guess which American political party that is?!??

Interesting. However, I don't think the far left is a lot different. It doesn't really exist today except in North Korea, and even there or during the classic Soviet period, the Communist Party could indeed be seen as a bourgeoisie.

In any case, ultra-nationalism was also a trait of Communism. They waved flags, recited patriotic poetry. The Soviet Union tried not to be at face value (although it was very much so in a way).

But the thing is, they set up fake unions. While unions are seen as leftist, they were illegal under Communism. For example Solidarnosc.

Today's China claims some Marxist teachings, but they allow big businesses if they can control them. Like Italian fascists, German Nazis, today's Russia.

 

[Flopper]

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3]

As it relates to business, here's how it intersects....

1. Major Italian groups politically on the right, especially rich landowners and big business, feared an uprising by groups on the left, such as sharecroppers and labour unions.[67] They welcomed Fascism and supported its violent suppression of opponents on the left.[68] The accommodation of the political right into the Italian Fascist movement in the early 1920s created internal factions within the movement.
2. The ANI held ties and influence among conservatives, Catholics, and the business community.[108] Italian national syndicalists held a common set of principles: the rejection of bourgeois values, democracy, liberalism, Marxism, internationalism, and pacifism, and the promotion of heroism, vitalism, and violence.[109] The ANI claimed that liberal democracy was no longer compatible with the modern world, and advocated a strong state and imperialism. They believed that humans are naturally predatory, and that nations are in a constant struggle in which only the strongest would survive.[110]
3. In 1920, militant strike activity by industrial workers reached its peak in Italy and 1919 and 1920 were known as the "Red Year" (Biennio Rosso).[136] Mussolini and the Fascists took advantage of the situation by allying with industrial businesses and attacking workers and peasants in the name of preserving order and internal peace in Italy.[137]
4. Historian Stanley G. Payne says: "[Fascism in Italy was a] primarily political dictatorship. ... The Fascist Party itself had become almost completely bureaucratized and subservient to, not dominant over, the state itself. Big business, industry, and finance retained extensive autonomy, particularly in the early years. The armed forces also enjoyed considerable autonomy. ... The Fascist militia was placed under military control. ... The judicial system was left largely intact and relatively autonomous as well. The police continued to be directed by state officials and were not taken over by party leaders ... nor was a major new police elite created.
5. Due to the worldwide depression, Mussolini's government was able to take over most of Italy's largest failing banks, who held controlling interest in many Italian businesses.
6. Source: Fascism - Wikipedia

It isn't what some have been pretending it to be of late.

Let's go deeper. There's a political party in America who's members are characterized by the belief in at least 2 or more of the following...

• Ultranationalist
• Militarism
• Forcible suppression of opposition
• Belief in a natural social hierarchy
• Subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race
• Strong regimentation of society and the economy

Anyone care to guess which American political party that is?!??

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3]

As it relates to business, here's how it intersects....

1. Major Italian groups politically on the right, especially rich landowners and big business, feared an uprising by groups on the left, such as sharecroppers and labour unions.[67] They welcomed Fascism and supported its violent suppression of opponents on the left.[68] The accommodation of the political right into the Italian Fascist movement in the early 1920s created internal factions within the movement.
2. The ANI held ties and influence among conservatives, Catholics, and the business community.[108] Italian national syndicalists held a common set of principles: the rejection of bourgeois values, democracy, liberalism, Marxism, internationalism, and pacifism, and the promotion of heroism, vitalism, and violence.[109] The ANI claimed that liberal democracy was no longer compatible with the modern world, and advocated a strong state and imperialism. They believed that humans are naturally predatory, and that nations are in a constant struggle in which only the strongest would survive.[110]
3. In 1920, militant strike activity by industrial workers reached its peak in Italy and 1919 and 1920 were known as the "Red Year" (Biennio Rosso).[136] Mussolini and the Fascists took advantage of the situation by allying with industrial businesses and attacking workers and peasants in the name of preserving order and internal peace in Italy.[137]
4. Historian Stanley G. Payne says: "[Fascism in Italy was a] primarily political dictatorship. ... The Fascist Party itself had become almost completely bureaucratized and subservient to, not dominant over, the state itself. Big business, industry, and finance retained extensive autonomy, particularly in the early years. The armed forces also enjoyed considerable autonomy. ... The Fascist militia was placed under military control. ... The judicial system was left largely intact and relatively autonomous as well. The police continued to be directed by state officials and were not taken over by party leaders ... nor was a major new police elite created.
5. Due to the worldwide depression, Mussolini's government was able to take over most of Italy's largest failing banks, who held controlling interest in many Italian businesses.
6. Source: Fascism - Wikipedia

It isn't what some have been pretending it to be of late.

Let's go deeper. There's a political party in America who's members are characterized by the belief in at least 2 or more of the following...

• Ultranationalist
• Militarism
• Forcible suppression of opposition
• Belief in a natural social hierarchy
• Subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race
• Strong regimentation of society and the economy

Anyone care to guess which American political party that is?!??

We will not be able to agree on what constitutes Fascism nor the Far Right nor the Far Left which sort of makes this discussion a waste of time.
To republicans, fascism will sound like a far left philosophy.
To democrats, fascism will sound like a far right philosophy.

 

[bripat9643]

We will not be able to agree on what constitutes Fascism nor the Far Right nor the Far Left which sort of makes this discussion a waste of time.
To republicans, fascism will sound like a far left philosophy.
To democrats, fascism will sound like a far right philosophy.

Every discussion with a winger is a waste of time. They are incapable of simple honesty.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Every discussion with a winger is a waste of time. They are incapable of simple honesty.

These idiots support a system and have no knowledge of what they support. surada

 

[surada]

These idiots support a system and have no knowledge of what they support. surada

Look at the Fascists of the 20th century. This isn't complicated.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Look at the Fascists of the 20th century. This isn't complicated.

Namely you.

 

[surada]

Namely you.

Nope. I'm strictly a capitalist who loves Big Oil. You're a moron.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Nope. I'm strictly a capitalist who loves Big Oil. You're a moron.

As I said you don't even realize what it is you support

 

[surada]

As I said you don't even realize what it is you support

You're the guy from Kannapolis, aren't you?

 

[bripat9643]

Look at the Fascists of the 20th century. This isn't complicated.

Yep. The Dims are indistinguishable from the NAZIs.

 

[surada]

Yep. The Dims are indistinguishable from the NAZIs.

You're really stupid. Read the Nuremberg Laws. Hitler broke with the Socialists in 1926. In 1933 he purged the German government of socialists, communists, Jews and Democrats.

 

[bripat9643]

So, "the market" decided I'm worth $100K a year and in Mexico a guy who does the exact same thing I do makes $20,000 a year because "the market" decided that?

Or a guy in China probably does what I do for 20 cents a day because "the market" decided?

What about the market in Russia? How come it hasn't decided invading Urkraine was a bad idea?

But you are right in a way. My brother is a VP and he makes $1 million a year because another company might pay him that if they don't. And his former female employee is now the VP of another company and she makes $2 million a year because diversity candidates are in high demand and not a big supply of people who are qualified.

So I'll give you partial credit for your reply that seems a bit obtuse.

So you are Just another internet millionaire?

 

[bripat9643]

You're really stupid. Read the Nuremberg Laws. Hitler broke with the Socialists in 1926. In 1933 he purged the German government of socialists, communists, Jews and Democrats.

I've already explained this to you 1000 times, moron. Stalin sent all the Mensheviks and socialists to the Gulag. Socialists are always wiping out their opponents once they gain power.

 

[surada]

I've already explained this to you 1000 times, moron. Stalin sent all the Mensheviks and socialists to the Gulag. Socialists are always wiping out their opponents once they gain power.

Obviously Hitler wasn't a socialist... He used the large Democratic Socialist German party to gain power.