What explains "democratic Socialists"?

[Mac1958]

Well, I'm sure that will make a very compelling and effective argument to save us from socialism.

What will make a very compelling argument?? I haven't even made an argument here. I'm just objecting to your attempts at obfuscation.

A word that no longer scares anyone, now that it's been over-used to a comical level.

Yes, and you're just as guilty for that as the McCarthy crowd. You seem desperate to shut down any discussion of socialism by equivocating on the definition. I don't get it.

Don't you think that definitions are important in a serious conversation? I do. Right now, it looks like no two people here have the same definition of the term "socialism".

Socialism is government control of the economy. That's what we're talking about. It's not a mystery. You seem more confused than anyone else.

How much government control?

It doesn't matter. A little government control of the economy is a little socialism. A lot of government control of the economy is a lot of socialism. Shocking revelation, eh?

Great! We agree. It exists along a continuum. As I said.

The Right continues to pretend that the Dems want Venezuelan socialism, and they continue to pretend the Dems don't want Canadian, German or Australian democratic socialism. Significantly different points on the continuum.

So they're either lying or willfully ignorant.

That's all I've been saying. All along. I'm not the one who is confused.
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[imawhosure]

The funniest part of this is the fact that the term "socialism" doesn't scare anyone any more.

So this whole hyperbolic, binary, boogeyman farce is nothing more than partisan masturbation.

Now that is YOU, fooling yourself Mac, lol. Anyone over 40 will never vote anyone claiming to be a Socialist in. You need to look at the breakdown on who/whom, thinks Socialism is A-O-K, and the fact MOST of these surveys are done by cellphone.

Of course, you wouldn't understand the significance of this, but trust me, IT IS significant.

Let me tell you straight out---------->If any of the far Leftists singing songs of Socialism get the nod, you might as well stay home on election night, and that is a fact I can tell you is 100% true, and I don't even have to be named Nate Silver to tell you that!

 

[Mac1958]

The funniest part of this is the fact that the term "socialism" doesn't scare anyone any more.

So this whole hyperbolic, binary, boogeyman farce is nothing more than partisan masturbation.

Now that is YOU, fooling yourself Mac, lol. Anyone over 40 will never vote anyone claiming to be a Socialist in. You need to look at the breakdown on who/whom, thinks Socialism is A-O-K, and the fact MOST of these surveys are done by cellphone.

Of course, you wouldn't understand the significance of this, but trust me, IT IS significant.

Let me tell you straight out---------->If any of the far Leftists singing songs of Socialism get the nod, you might as well stay home on election night, and that is a fact I can tell you is 100% true, and I don't even have to be named Nate Silver to tell you that!

People vote for issues and candidates. The right wingers running around screaming SOCIALISM only draw their attention to the issue. You've overused the word.
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[imawhosure]

The funniest part of this is the fact that the term "socialism" doesn't scare anyone any more.

That's the goal, sure. But, despite the best efforts of socialists to obfuscate, the term does a have a meaning, and socialist have very real policy aims. Socialism isn't a myth.

But the term doesn't mean anything.

Nothing to see here. Move along. Ignore the socialists behind the curtain....

Behind the curtain, in Canada, Germany, Australia. Not Venezuela.
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LOL, they are NANNY STATES, not Socialist states! And as a NANNY STATE, why don't you tell everyone how much in taxes they pay! The rich are not the nanny's wealth benefactors, the rest of the country is; and don't forget to tell all of these people, how the poor in these country's. pay faaaaaaaaar more taxes than our poor does.

And let me say this, about that---------------->these people are telling all of us that this stuff is FREE! Then why do taxes have to go through the roof? They insist they are going to save us money, lol.

In ALL OF THESE COUNTRY'S Mac sites, the poor ACTUALLY PAY TAXES, not get a ton back. The burden is put on the middle class, and the poor, NOT the rich like they claim. All of these places have VAT taxes, which have little effect on the rich, but massive effects on those who are NOT rich.

Basically what I am telling you is------------> The Left, and sadly Mac, are LYING to you on how this stuff is financed, and who pays for it. And, for the taxes it would take to pay for these disasters, it would virtually collapse our economy as YOUR personal amount of money paid in, would have to almost double, taking virtually all of your disposable income.

This is what the Left wants. You going to let them? And if you do, there is no going back. When is the last time you seen the government create a program or tax, then eliminate it later? Once it is there, it is OVER!

 

[imawhosure]

The funniest part of this is the fact that the term "socialism" doesn't scare anyone any more.

So this whole hyperbolic, binary, boogeyman farce is nothing more than partisan masturbation.

Now that is YOU, fooling yourself Mac, lol. Anyone over 40 will never vote anyone claiming to be a Socialist in. You need to look at the breakdown on who/whom, thinks Socialism is A-O-K, and the fact MOST of these surveys are done by cellphone.

Of course, you wouldn't understand the significance of this, but trust me, IT IS significant.

Let me tell you straight out---------->If any of the far Leftists singing songs of Socialism get the nod, you might as well stay home on election night, and that is a fact I can tell you is 100% true, and I don't even have to be named Nate Silver to tell you that!

People vote for issues and candidates. The right wingers running around screaming SOCIALISM only draw their attention to the issue. You've overused the word.
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No we aren't! It was actually Bernie who used the USSRs deal to write his manifesto on what he wants to supply us for FREE!

By the way, before being head of Germany, what did Angela Merkel do-)

Seems Bustin Justin in Canada is on his way out too, doesn't it-)

Wasn't it just Australia, or was it elsewhere, that just threw all the Socialist/Leftists out? I know it was somewhere near the land down under.

 

[Mac1958]

The funniest part of this is the fact that the term "socialism" doesn't scare anyone any more.

That's the goal, sure. But, despite the best efforts of socialists to obfuscate, the term does a have a meaning, and socialist have very real policy aims. Socialism isn't a myth.

But the term doesn't mean anything.

Nothing to see here. Move along. Ignore the socialists behind the curtain....

Behind the curtain, in Canada, Germany, Australia. Not Venezuela.
.

LOL, they are NANNY STATES, not Socialist states! And as a NANNY STATE, why don't you tell everyone how much in taxes they pay! The rich are not the nanny's wealth benefactors, the rest of the country is; and don't forget to tell all of these people, how the poor in these country's. pay faaaaaaaaar more taxes than our poor does.

And let me say this, about that---------------->these people are telling all of us that this stuff is FREE! Then why do taxes have to go through the roof? They insist they are going to save us money, lol.

In ALL OF THESE COUNTRY'S Mac sites, the poor ACTUALLY PAY TAXES, not get a ton back. The burden is put on the middle class, and the poor, NOT the rich like they claim. All of these places have VAT taxes, which have little effect on the rich, but massive effects on those who are NOT rich.

Basically what I am telling you is------------> The Left, and sadly Mac, are LYING to you on how this stuff is financed, and who pays for it. And, for the taxes it would take to pay for these disasters, it would virtually collapse our economy as YOUR personal amount of money paid in, would have to almost double, taking virtually all of your disposable income.

This is what the Left wants. You going to let them? And if you do, there is no going back. When is the last time you seen the government create a program or tax, then eliminate it later? Once it is there, it is OVER!

Again, I'm not advocating for democratic socialism. Clearly you don't get that. I'm just pointing out what a piss poor job you folks are doing opposing it.

Read what I actually SAY.
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[imawhosure]

That's the goal, sure. But, despite the best efforts of socialists to obfuscate, the term does a have a meaning, and socialist have very real policy aims. Socialism isn't a myth.

But the term doesn't mean anything.

Nothing to see here. Move along. Ignore the socialists behind the curtain....

Behind the curtain, in Canada, Germany, Australia. Not Venezuela.
.

LOL, they are NANNY STATES, not Socialist states! And as a NANNY STATE, why don't you tell everyone how much in taxes they pay! The rich are not the nanny's wealth benefactors, the rest of the country is; and don't forget to tell all of these people, how the poor in these country's. pay faaaaaaaaar more taxes than our poor does.

And let me say this, about that---------------->these people are telling all of us that this stuff is FREE! Then why do taxes have to go through the roof? They insist they are going to save us money, lol.

In ALL OF THESE COUNTRY'S Mac sites, the poor ACTUALLY PAY TAXES, not get a ton back. The burden is put on the middle class, and the poor, NOT the rich like they claim. All of these places have VAT taxes, which have little effect on the rich, but massive effects on those who are NOT rich.

Basically what I am telling you is------------> The Left, and sadly Mac, are LYING to you on how this stuff is financed, and who pays for it. And, for the taxes it would take to pay for these disasters, it would virtually collapse our economy as YOUR personal amount of money paid in, would have to almost double, taking virtually all of your disposable income.

This is what the Left wants. You going to let them? And if you do, there is no going back. When is the last time you seen the government create a program or tax, then eliminate it later? Once it is there, it is OVER!

Again, I'm not advocating for democratic socialism. Clearly you don't get that. I'm just pointing out what a piss poor job you folks are doing opposing it.

Read what I actually SAY.
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Opposing it? Anyone with 1/2 a brain should not need a speech on why! Here we live in the greatest country the world has ever been witness to, and they want to turn us into what? Germany? Canada? Australia? All nice places, with massive taxes, but really? And, not only do the Leftists want this, they refuse to make it a status cost! Each day through inaction in congress, they let MORE people in that they will make us pay for, ILLEGALLY!

Nope, no need to argue over the system. If anyone is willing to give up the top spot on a vision, then they deserve what they get!

 

[sakinago]

What will make a very compelling argument?? I haven't even made an argument here. I'm just objecting to your attempts at obfuscation.

Yes, and you're just as guilty for that as the McCarthy crowd. You seem desperate to shut down any discussion of socialism by equivocating on the definition. I don't get it.

Don't you think that definitions are important in a serious conversation? I do. Right now, it looks like no two people here have the same definition of the term "socialism".

Socialism is government control of the economy. That's what we're talking about. It's not a mystery. You seem more confused than anyone else.

How much government control?

It doesn't matter. A little government control of the economy is a little socialism. A lot of government control of the economy is a lot of socialism. Shocking revelation, eh?

Great! We agree. It exists along a continuum. As I said.

The Right continues to pretend that the Dems want Venezuelan socialism, and they continue to pretend the Dems don't want Canadian, German or Australian democratic socialism. Significantly different points on the continuum.

So they're either lying or willfully ignorant.

That's all I've been saying. All along. I'm not the one who is confused.
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Jesus no, the dems exist all over that continuum. I live in a blue area. I am friends with Bernie supporters who honestly think capitalism is evil, and Bernie supporters who just don’t think people need 1 billion dollars to live off of. The former usually point to the Nordic nations believing they are socialist countries, they are not. The latter want the US to mimic Canada but don’t understand that Bernie wants to actually take over entire industries.

 

[basquebromance]

The duty of Socialism is to disturb the comfortable and comfort the disturbed

 

[basquebromance]

When you see people as numbers and statistics it can get lost, you can forget that we're all human beings

 

[basquebromance]

It is true that vanity and greed can lead an individual to work hard and become rich. But there is no reason to believe that these traits are the best motivators of hard work and wealth..

 

[Votto]

What explains "democratic Socialists"?

Are they gullible? Ignorant? How were they deluded into believing that THEY will be the Billionaire Socialist dictator?

Socialist Paradise Venezuela: 2,000,000% inflation, no food, no running water, people eat their pets and sell their kids, the political leaders are BILLIONAIRES!

"You bet you life it will work this time!"

Democratic Socialists are thinking about Canada, Germany and Australia.

Not Venezuela.

This has only been pointed out about fifteen million times. And it still doesn't sink in for some. Maybe after sixteen million.
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Why then do the democratic socialists, like Bernie Sanders, only sing praises about Venezuela if it is sooo different than what the offer?

See, this is the problem. Ideologues like Sanders refuse to draw the line between what he stands for today and what Socialism in Venezuela is today.

Scary stuff.

 

[basquebromance]

“’Neighbor’ is not about the person who drives the same car as you or has a kid in the same school as your kid; ‘neighbor’ is about that homeless person you walk past on the street

 

[Indeependent]

Democratic Socialists are thinking about Canada, Germany and Australia.

Not Venezuela.

This has only been pointed out about fifteen million times. And it still doesn't sink in for some. Maybe after sixteen million.
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Good point.

However, you know why it's not sinking in for some.

Because White people can actually make it work.

 

[sakinago]

When you see people as numbers and statistics it can get lost, you can forget that we're all human beings

That’s the exact downfall of centralizing under one authority (socialism), vs the decentralization of free markets. A central authority has no other option but to look at their citizens as statistics and demographics. At best it is utilitarian.

 

[dblack]

The Right continues to pretend that the Dems want Venezuelan socialism, and they continue to pretend the Dems don't want Canadian, German or Australian democratic socialism. Significantly different points on the continuum.

Nope. They're saying Democrats want more socialism. And, from what I'm hearing, they're right. Are you denying it?