What exactly was that about lowest sea ice ever?

[gslack]

Not all of Antarctica is -40. The edges would melt first. A few degrees wouldn't melt the whole thing, but it WOULD significantly shrink the ice cap and cause rising sea levels. I feel that reality is something you don't have to offer. Rather you seem to run from it at every opportunity.

I like history. There was a show on one of the science channels about Pompei, the city, not the General, and the folks who died from the various plagues that issued from the volcano. One of the places that people died seeking refuge was right on the shore in man made stone enclosures that were a convenient place to wait for a boat.

Interestingly, they are still right on the shore after being dug out of the solidified ash. Go figure.

We know from AGW proponents that during the time of Global warming that the sea level has risen constantly but at varying rates. The rise each year has been between .5 and 1.8 mm. Pompeii and Herculaneum were buried about 2000 years ago.

Taking the low end estimate of sea level rise, we find that the sea level has risen by 1000 mm. Is that a full meter? A vertical rise of 1 meter in the sea level and yet the shore line is unmoved. Of course, the high end estimate makes a sea level rise of 3 and a half meters. Doesn't matter. The shore line still didn't move.

So, is the the ocean half empty or half full? Is this theory half baked or what?

Is Code really this ignorant? Or is he once again shilling for the energy companies?

There are areas of sea level that is declining in relationship to the nearest land in North America because of plate tectonics. There are other areas where the sea level far exceeds the average because of the subsidance, through compaction, of sediments, such as areas along the Gulf coast.

Over the whole world, we see an average of rise or decline in sea level by measuring the relationship to the nearest land. However, with the advent of satellites, all this has changed, and we can measure absolute sea level rise or decline over the whole world.

Laboratory for Satellite Altimetry / Sea level rise

Laboratory for Satellite Altimetry / Sea level rise
Sea level rise
One of the most significant potential impacts of climate change is sea level rise that may cause inundation of coastal areas and islands, shoreline erosion, and destruction of important ecosystems such as wetlands and mangroves. As global temperatures increase, sea level rises due to a thermal expansion of upper layers of the ocean and melting of glaciers and ice sheets.

The measurement of long-term changes in global mean sea level can provide an important corroboration of predictions by climate models of global warming. Satellite altimeter radar measurements can be combined with precisely known spacecraft orbits to measuring sea level on a global basis with unprecedented accuracy. A series of satellite missions that started with TOPEX/Poseidon (T/P) in 1992 and continued with Jason-1 (2001) and Jason-2 (2008) estimate global mean sea level every 10 days with an uncertainty of 3–4 mm. This climate record has continued with Jason-2 beginning in mid-2008.

Jason-2, launched 20 June 2008, is a joint effort between NOAA, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, France's Centre National d'Etudes Spatiales (CNES) and the European Organisation for the Exploitation of Meteorological Satellites (EUMETSAT).

The latest mean sea level time series and maps of regional sea level change can be found on this site.

Global mean sea level from TOPEX/Poseidon, Jason-1, and Jason-2

Who the fuck are you calling ignorant you mindless hack??

You post crap you don't understand or even read non-stop and at every turn you are proven to be completely ignorant on it...

Your article you just cited for instance, says nothing to disprove anything code said.. If you follow the links to their animations in your link you see the levels change region to region day by day... You freaking ignorant lowlife propaganda pushing shameless hack...

 

[Old Rocks]

Shut up yourself, you lying asshole.

The Medevial Warm Period was primarily a Northern Hemisphere phenomonem. And it was not 2.6 degrees C than today. In fact, according to proxy data collected and published by the PNAS, it is problematic that it was was warm as today.

No, methane catastrophe is not going to happen next week. And not within my lifetime. However, it is very probable that it will occur. More than likely, much like in the PETM.

 

[Old Rocks]

I like history. There was a show on one of the science channels about Pompei, the city, not the General, and the folks who died from the various plagues that issued from the volcano. One of the places that people died seeking refuge was right on the shore in man made stone enclosures that were a convenient place to wait for a boat.

Interestingly, they are still right on the shore after being dug out of the solidified ash. Go figure.

We know from AGW proponents that during the time of Global warming that the sea level has risen constantly but at varying rates. The rise each year has been between .5 and 1.8 mm. Pompeii and Herculaneum were buried about 2000 years ago.

Taking the low end estimate of sea level rise, we find that the sea level has risen by 1000 mm. Is that a full meter? A vertical rise of 1 meter in the sea level and yet the shore line is unmoved. Of course, the high end estimate makes a sea level rise of 3 and a half meters. Doesn't matter. The shore line still didn't move.

So, is the the ocean half empty or half full? Is this theory half baked or what?

Is Code really this ignorant? Or is he once again shilling for the energy companies?

There are areas of sea level that is declining in relationship to the nearest land in North America because of plate tectonics. There are other areas where the sea level far exceeds the average because of the subsidance, through compaction, of sediments, such as areas along the Gulf coast.

Over the whole world, we see an average of rise or decline in sea level by measuring the relationship to the nearest land. However, with the advent of satellites, all this has changed, and we can measure absolute sea level rise or decline over the whole world.

Laboratory for Satellite Altimetry / Sea level rise

Laboratory for Satellite Altimetry / Sea level rise
Sea level rise
One of the most significant potential impacts of climate change is sea level rise that may cause inundation of coastal areas and islands, shoreline erosion, and destruction of important ecosystems such as wetlands and mangroves. As global temperatures increase, sea level rises due to a thermal expansion of upper layers of the ocean and melting of glaciers and ice sheets.

The measurement of long-term changes in global mean sea level can provide an important corroboration of predictions by climate models of global warming. Satellite altimeter radar measurements can be combined with precisely known spacecraft orbits to measuring sea level on a global basis with unprecedented accuracy. A series of satellite missions that started with TOPEX/Poseidon (T/P) in 1992 and continued with Jason-1 (2001) and Jason-2 (2008) estimate global mean sea level every 10 days with an uncertainty of 3–4 mm. This climate record has continued with Jason-2 beginning in mid-2008.

Jason-2, launched 20 June 2008, is a joint effort between NOAA, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, France's Centre National d'Etudes Spatiales (CNES) and the European Organisation for the Exploitation of Meteorological Satellites (EUMETSAT).

The latest mean sea level time series and maps of regional sea level change can be found on this site.

Global mean sea level from TOPEX/Poseidon, Jason-1, and Jason-2

Who the fuck are you calling ignorant you mindless hack??

You post crap you don't understand or even read non-stop and at every turn you are proven to be completely ignorant on it...

Your article you just cited for instance, says nothing to disprove anything code said.. If you follow the links to their animations in your link you see the levels change region to region day by day... You freaking ignorant lowlife propaganda pushing shameless hack...

Oh my, my feeling are so hurt.

Yes, I bring solid data from real scientists to the debate, and you ignoramouses bring yap-yap.

 

[westwall]

Shut up yourself, you lying asshole.

The Medevial Warm Period was primarily a Northern Hemisphere phenomonem. And it was not 2.6 degrees C than today. In fact, according to proxy data collected and published by the PNAS, it is problematic that it was was warm as today.

No, methane catastrophe is not going to happen next week. And not within my lifetime. However, it is very probable that it will occur. More than likely, much like in the PETM.

Ooops for once you're correct. I transposed the Roman Warming Period which was actually 2.7 C warmer than today and the MWP was ONLY 2.2 C warmer.

CO2 Science

And the MWP has been confirmed worldwide. Everywhere that they have looked for evidence of it from India to Australia to Antarctica evidence of the MWP has been found.
You need to keep a little more current on your info dood. You're at least four years out of date....time to get poured down the drain I think.

 

[westwall]

Is Code really this ignorant? Or is he once again shilling for the energy companies?

There are areas of sea level that is declining in relationship to the nearest land in North America because of plate tectonics. There are other areas where the sea level far exceeds the average because of the subsidance, through compaction, of sediments, such as areas along the Gulf coast.

Over the whole world, we see an average of rise or decline in sea level by measuring the relationship to the nearest land. However, with the advent of satellites, all this has changed, and we can measure absolute sea level rise or decline over the whole world.

Laboratory for Satellite Altimetry / Sea level rise

Laboratory for Satellite Altimetry / Sea level rise
Sea level rise
One of the most significant potential impacts of climate change is sea level rise that may cause inundation of coastal areas and islands, shoreline erosion, and destruction of important ecosystems such as wetlands and mangroves. As global temperatures increase, sea level rises due to a thermal expansion of upper layers of the ocean and melting of glaciers and ice sheets.

The measurement of long-term changes in global mean sea level can provide an important corroboration of predictions by climate models of global warming. Satellite altimeter radar measurements can be combined with precisely known spacecraft orbits to measuring sea level on a global basis with unprecedented accuracy. A series of satellite missions that started with TOPEX/Poseidon (T/P) in 1992 and continued with Jason-1 (2001) and Jason-2 (2008) estimate global mean sea level every 10 days with an uncertainty of 3–4 mm. This climate record has continued with Jason-2 beginning in mid-2008.

Jason-2, launched 20 June 2008, is a joint effort between NOAA, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, France's Centre National d'Etudes Spatiales (CNES) and the European Organisation for the Exploitation of Meteorological Satellites (EUMETSAT).

The latest mean sea level time series and maps of regional sea level change can be found on this site.

Global mean sea level from TOPEX/Poseidon, Jason-1, and Jason-2

Who the fuck are you calling ignorant you mindless hack??

You post crap you don't understand or even read non-stop and at every turn you are proven to be completely ignorant on it...

Your article you just cited for instance, says nothing to disprove anything code said.. If you follow the links to their animations in your link you see the levels change region to region day by day... You freaking ignorant lowlife propaganda pushing shameless hack...

Oh my, my feeling are so hurt.

Yes, I bring solid data from real scientists to the debate, and you ignoramouses bring yap-yap.

You bring what?

I see a lot of infantile insults and not much else. Your "data" is proven manufactured out of whole cloth. Yep, that is a real challenge here old fraud. You really have no shame do you? Oh well. In about a year you will be able to cry on my shoulder when your religion is finally put to bed.

 

[Old Rocks]

CO2 science. A blog. And an article claiming what is not claimed for the whole world in the science article it quotes.

CO2 Science

Of this latter warming, they say that it "concurs with distinct continental-scale warming, consistently reaching unprecedented maximum temperatures after ~1990 AD." Their use of the word "unprecedented," however, is a bit misleading; for they subsequently state that "the SST increase over the last three decades does not, or not 'yet', appear unusual compared to the entire 0-2.4 ka record," and that "the warming trend over the second half of the 20th century has not yet reverted the late Holocene millennial-scale cooling." In fact, their data clearly indicate that the peak temperature of the Medieval Warm Period was approximately 2.2°C greater than the peak temperature of the late 20th century, and that the peak temperature of the Roman Warm Period was about 2.7°C greater than that of the late 20th century.

"Clearly indicate", as in this is what we think, but not what the authors said.

 

[Ravi]

Deniers crack me up with their spurious "evidence".

 

[gslack]

Is Code really this ignorant? Or is he once again shilling for the energy companies?

There are areas of sea level that is declining in relationship to the nearest land in North America because of plate tectonics. There are other areas where the sea level far exceeds the average because of the subsidance, through compaction, of sediments, such as areas along the Gulf coast.

Over the whole world, we see an average of rise or decline in sea level by measuring the relationship to the nearest land. However, with the advent of satellites, all this has changed, and we can measure absolute sea level rise or decline over the whole world.

Laboratory for Satellite Altimetry / Sea level rise

Laboratory for Satellite Altimetry / Sea level rise
Sea level rise
One of the most significant potential impacts of climate change is sea level rise that may cause inundation of coastal areas and islands, shoreline erosion, and destruction of important ecosystems such as wetlands and mangroves. As global temperatures increase, sea level rises due to a thermal expansion of upper layers of the ocean and melting of glaciers and ice sheets.

The measurement of long-term changes in global mean sea level can provide an important corroboration of predictions by climate models of global warming. Satellite altimeter radar measurements can be combined with precisely known spacecraft orbits to measuring sea level on a global basis with unprecedented accuracy. A series of satellite missions that started with TOPEX/Poseidon (T/P) in 1992 and continued with Jason-1 (2001) and Jason-2 (2008) estimate global mean sea level every 10 days with an uncertainty of 3–4 mm. This climate record has continued with Jason-2 beginning in mid-2008.

Jason-2, launched 20 June 2008, is a joint effort between NOAA, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, France's Centre National d'Etudes Spatiales (CNES) and the European Organisation for the Exploitation of Meteorological Satellites (EUMETSAT).

The latest mean sea level time series and maps of regional sea level change can be found on this site.

Global mean sea level from TOPEX/Poseidon, Jason-1, and Jason-2

Who the fuck are you calling ignorant you mindless hack??

You post crap you don't understand or even read non-stop and at every turn you are proven to be completely ignorant on it...

Your article you just cited for instance, says nothing to disprove anything code said.. If you follow the links to their animations in your link you see the levels change region to region day by day... You freaking ignorant lowlife propaganda pushing shameless hack...

Oh my, my feeling are so hurt.

Yes, I bring solid data from real scientists to the debate, and you ignoramouses bring yap-yap.

And AGAIN your article does nothing to refute the claims made here..... Understand that part douchebag?

 

[gslack]

Deniers crack me up with their spurious "evidence".

I get good laugh out of people like you who come in and randomly say something epically ignorant and run away thinking they are contributing....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Are the Maldives underwater yet?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

CO2 science. A blog. And an article claiming what is not claimed for the whole world in the science article it quotes.

CO2 Science

Of this latter warming, they say that it "concurs with distinct continental-scale warming, consistently reaching unprecedented maximum temperatures after ~1990 AD." Their use of the word "unprecedented," however, is a bit misleading; for they subsequently state that "the SST increase over the last three decades does not, or not 'yet', appear unusual compared to the entire 0-2.4 ka record," and that "the warming trend over the second half of the 20th century has not yet reverted the late Holocene millennial-scale cooling." In fact, their data clearly indicate that the peak temperature of the Medieval Warm Period was approximately 2.2°C greater than the peak temperature of the late 20th century, and that the peak temperature of the Roman Warm Period was about 2.7°C greater than that of the late 20th century.

"Clearly indicate", as in this is what we think, but not what the authors said.

So, this must be a mutant, genetically engineered strain of CO2, right? Because all of the other scientific data point to a lag between warming and CO2.

Did the Russians breed this mutant strain at Biopreperat?

 

[westwall]

Deniers crack me up with their spurious "evidence".

I get good laugh out of people like you who come in and randomly say something epically ignorant and run away thinking they are contributing....

Ahh but that is the standard MO of the basic internet troll don't ya know.

 

[code1211]

Shut up yourself, you lying asshole.

The Medevial Warm Period was primarily a Northern Hemisphere phenomonem. And it was not 2.6 degrees C than today. In fact, according to proxy data collected and published by the PNAS, it is problematic that it was was warm as today.

No, methane catastrophe is not going to happen next week. And not within my lifetime. However, it is very probable that it will occur. More than likely, much like in the PETM.

The PETM was several degrees warmer than it is today. At the range of that many million years ago, it's dificult to see if the calthrates caused the warming or the warming caused the calthrates. What IS obvious, is that it cooled as abruptly as it warmed with or without the abundant calthrates.

What broke the feedback loop and why didn't the feedback loops lead to runaway global warming? If you are saying that a catastrophe is in the immediate future and reference PETM, you have some 'splaining to do as to why the PETM temperature went up then back down abruptly and why the temperature, rising at a predictable rate before the PETM continued to rise at that rate again after the PETM.

It was about a full degree warmer 8000 years ago than today and no calthrate problem. No fossil fuels burning, either, but that's a different consideration.

 

[westwall]

Shut up yourself, you lying asshole.

The Medevial Warm Period was primarily a Northern Hemisphere phenomonem. And it was not 2.6 degrees C than today. In fact, according to proxy data collected and published by the PNAS, it is problematic that it was was warm as today.

No, methane catastrophe is not going to happen next week. And not within my lifetime. However, it is very probable that it will occur. More than likely, much like in the PETM.

The PETM was several degrees warmer than it is today. At the range of that many million years ago, it's dificult to see if the calthrates caused the warming or the warming caused the calthrates. What IS obvious, is that it cooled as abruptly as it warmed with or without the abundant calthrates.

What broke the feedback loop and why didn't the feedback loops lead to runaway global warming? If you are saying that a catastrophe is in the immediate future and reference PETM, you have some 'splaining to do as to why the PETM temperature went up then back down abruptly and why the temperature, rising at a predictable rate before the PETM continued to rise at that rate again after the PETM.

It was about a full degree warmer 8000 years ago than today and no calthrate problem. No fossil fuels burning, either, but that's a different consideration.

It was a full 2.7 degrees C warmer 2000 years ago and we have good historical records and they show the same, no problems, in fact it was prosperous.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Shut up yourself, you lying asshole.

The Medevial Warm Period was primarily a Northern Hemisphere phenomonem. And it was not 2.6 degrees C than today. In fact, according to proxy data collected and published by the PNAS, it is problematic that it was was warm as today.

No, methane catastrophe is not going to happen next week. And not within my lifetime. However, it is very probable that it will occur. More than likely, much like in the PETM.

The PETM was several degrees warmer than it is today. At the range of that many million years ago, it's dificult to see if the calthrates caused the warming or the warming caused the calthrates. What IS obvious, is that it cooled as abruptly as it warmed with or without the abundant calthrates.

What broke the feedback loop and why didn't the feedback loops lead to runaway global warming? If you are saying that a catastrophe is in the immediate future and reference PETM, you have some 'splaining to do as to why the PETM temperature went up then back down abruptly and why the temperature, rising at a predictable rate before the PETM continued to rise at that rate again after the PETM.

It was about a full degree warmer 8000 years ago than today and no calthrate problem. No fossil fuels burning, either, but that's a different consideration.

The chart conclusively proves the SUV is 65 million years old! The SUV went extinct 65MYA and caused all the cooling since then, amiright? Can I get an "AMEN!!"?

Where is Mann and his 65 million year old tree rings?