What Does the Democratic Party Stand For?

[rightwinger]

The GOP stands for smaller government, lower taxes, pro business, generally socially conservative policies. Most people would agree on that even if they dont always vote that way.
What does the Democratic Party stand for? THey seem to stand for class warfare, tribal identification, and free shit.
How can they possibly hope to win with such divisive stands, and after such a record of failure?

Democratic Party stands for:

-The right sized government to do what "We the People" want done
-A tax structure that provides adequate revenue and places the burden on those most able to bear it
- A balance between the interests of business and labor
- Social Programs that help those who need helping

-Democrats have grown government faster over the last 8 years than ever before. It is now gargantuan in size and intrudes on every citizen.
-The tax structure has provided record levels of revenue and yet deficits are still at record levels for a recovery economy.
-Democrats have fucked business at the expense of labor. They shredded bankruptcy laws to award GM to its labor unions and have used the NLRB to institute many anti business pro labor politicies
-Social programs have increased the number of recipients and have stimulated growth in needy people. A truly successful social program would go out of business because it helped everyone out of poverty. Instead we have the highest levels of food stamp usage and SSI dependency in a recovering economy ever.

Thanks for pointing out that Democrat polciies have been consistent and total failures, even when measured against their own aims.

In spite of their claims when trying to get elected, Republicans have never downsized government once in office. Remember creating Homeland Security? That was Republicans
The size and scope of government under Obama has remained stable

Yet, Republicans continue the myth that they are the ones who want "small government"

Your deflection from your failed post is noted.
Your lies are also noted. Who instituted a new "consumer protection bureau" and massive expansion at HHS with Obamacare?

Show me the numbers and we can compare to Bush or Reagan

But we both know you can't do that

 

[rightwinger]

The size and scope of government under Obama has remained stable

You are on crack.

With the enactment of ObamaCare, one has to have seven pounds of brain damage to bleev the size and scope of government has not vastly increased under Obama.

Obamacare is a private insurance exchage

It has not increased the size of Government

 

[g5000]

The size and scope of government under Obama has remained stable

You are on crack.

With the enactment of ObamaCare, one has to have seven pounds of brain damage to bleev the size and scope of government has not vastly increased under Obama.

The government now punishes me if I don't have health insurance.

The government now decides what kind of health insurance I have to buy.

The government now punishes my employer for not providing insurance.

The government now decides what kind of health insurance my employer has to provide.

The government decides who gets to sell insurance through the exchanges.

The government forces me to pay extra for my insurance so freeloaders can get subsidies.

The cost of this program is over a trillion dollars.

Like I said. You have seven pounds of brain damage.

 

[g5000]

In a few years, when big money captures ObamaCare, the leftists will be whining about it.

"Gee, every time we give the government more power, more money gets spent on campaigns and lobbying. I wonder why that is? We just can't seem to figure it out!"


Well, you see, Billy, when you willingly bend over and offer your ass to the government, there are a lot of people who will pay a lot of money for the privilege of fucking you in the ass. It's a little late to start whining about how big the dick in your ass is at that point, don't you think? Especially when you keep bending over and asking for more.

 

[peach174]

The size and scope of government under Obama has remained stable

You are on crack.

With the enactment of ObamaCare, one has to have seven pounds of brain damage to bleev the size and scope of government has not vastly increased under Obama.

Obamacare is a private insurance exchage

It has not increased the size of Government

The rules of all health care insurance are run by the government now and is no longer private.

 

[hortysir]

Division is all the democratic party needs.
Republicans are out to take away their free shit so you have to check D to keep it.

Both parties have become so uber partisan it's disgusting.

Newt and Bill made great strides working together to get shit done.
As such, Clinton the First is viewed as a great President. Gingrich, not so much.

Because of the devolution of our political system Clinton the 2nd, if elected, will win based on this divisive culture that America has been groomed to accept as the norm.

Because of the polarization mentality a strong conservative Republican can't be elected unless he/she can appear to be more "middle of the road", which doesn't work because then they're viewed as being too "watered down" to win the votes of 'true' conservatives.

The Democrats are in a win-win because, as long as they stay to the left and keep playing the race and/or sex card along with class warfare, they will continue to appeal to the other hand wanting to keep their free shit

 

[The Rabbi]

The GOP stands for smaller government, lower taxes, pro business, generally socially conservative policies. Most people would agree on that even if they dont always vote that way.
What does the Democratic Party stand for? THey seem to stand for class warfare, tribal identification, and free shit.
How can they possibly hope to win with such divisive stands, and after such a record of failure?

Democratic Party stands for:

-The right sized government to do what "We the People" want done
-A tax structure that provides adequate revenue and places the burden on those most able to bear it
- A balance between the interests of business and labor
- Social Programs that help those who need helping

-Democrats have grown government faster over the last 8 years than ever before. It is now gargantuan in size and intrudes on every citizen.
-The tax structure has provided record levels of revenue and yet deficits are still at record levels for a recovery economy.
-Democrats have fucked business at the expense of labor. They shredded bankruptcy laws to award GM to its labor unions and have used the NLRB to institute many anti business pro labor politicies
-Social programs have increased the number of recipients and have stimulated growth in needy people. A truly successful social program would go out of business because it helped everyone out of poverty. Instead we have the highest levels of food stamp usage and SSI dependency in a recovering economy ever.

Thanks for pointing out that Democrat polciies have been consistent and total failures, even when measured against their own aims.

In spite of their claims when trying to get elected, Republicans have never downsized government once in office. Remember creating Homeland Security? That was Republicans
The size and scope of government under Obama has remained stable

Yet, Republicans continue the myth that they are the ones who want "small government"

Your deflection from your failed post is noted.
Your lies are also noted. Who instituted a new "consumer protection bureau" and massive expansion at HHS with Obamacare?

Show me the numbers and we can compare to Bush or Reagan

But we both know you can't do that

It's no comparison. You lose.
New Data Code of Federal Regulations Expanding Faster Pace under Obama Competitive Enterprise Institute

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

Notice that what Republicans supposedly stand for contains none of these:

job creation
equal pay
education
health care
clean energy
civil rights

Smaller government for Republicans mean that if someone is hit by a disaster, so what. They still believe in denying rights and legislating women's bodies. Hardly the sign of "small government"

Republicans say they are pro business, but business wants immigrants, especially in Red States where Republicans are stupid, unteachable and not qualified for more than digging.
Survey GOP executives want immigrant labor not voters The Daily Caller

And socially conservative policies is a fancy name for the right to discriminate.

Think about it. You know I'm right.

job creation- they support that through capitalism
equal pay- This is just communist. Idiots support mandated equal pay.
education- I didn't know anyone was trying to make our schools worse
health care- They don't cause obamacare blows dick and they believe in freedom over being forced to buy health insurance
clean energy- They don't support dumping massive funding to recycling or clean energy sources that don't pay off
civil rights- They do. They support equal opportunity.

You laugh at equal pay for equal work but not equal opportunity? That doesn't make sense.
Republicans think the job CREATORS make jobs. That not capitalism. Capitalism is supply and demand. Republicans on the USMB don't believe in supply and demand.
Because if everyone doesn't buy it, only a few pay for it. You would have to be an idiot to not know that.

Oh, and about education:

Scott Walker Bobby Jindal Aim to Slash Higher Ed Funding - US News

JURIST - Texas judge rules education budget cuts unconstitutional

I can never understand why Republicans are so ignorant they have no clue what their party is actually doing. When they find out the truth, they just deny, deny, deny. What made them so sick mentally? They cry about honesty and their leaders are so dishonest and the GOP sheeple just follow along. I don't get it.

You're putting words in my mouth. lol. I'm for equal opportunity and I believe the pay gap is too high but drastically increasing the taxes on the rich even further is not the answer. Supply in demand is why people who have skills get paid more than people that don't have any skills....

 

[HenryBHough]

The Democratic Party consists of a few thousand nostalgic old folks who did crazy shit like campaigning for John F. Kennedy and who basked in the glow of the Truman presidency.

Today there is a new Democrat Party which is a pig of an entirely different odour.

 

[g5000]

Total Government Employment Since 1962

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

Libs assume that because we vote republican we trust them or even support everything they want. The fact is that we would rather have that than have our country sink into a failed socialist country that ends all progress.

 

[g5000]

Libs assume that because we vote republican we trust them or even support everything they want. The fact is that we would rather have that than have our country sink into a failed socialist country that ends all progress.

Under the last Republican White House and Congress, the government was given massive police powers. Warrantless wiretaps. Indeterminate detention of US citizens without a writ of habaes corpus. Torture. A giant new Cabinet level department engaged in spying on every American. "Free speech zones". Harassment of reporters. Abusive NDLs. An increase in the size of every federal agency, except two (SEC and EPA).

You would rather have that, eh?

It's like all you rats were in a coma during the entire period, but the second the baton was passed to the opposite party, you act all freaked out at the Constitutional violations as if it all started on January 20, 2009.

Fuck the lot of you.

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

Libs assume that because we vote republican we trust them or even support everything they want. The fact is that we would rather have that than have our country sink into a failed socialist country that ends all progress.

Under the last Republican White House and Congress, the government was given massive police powers. Warrantless wiretaps. Indeterminate detention of US citizens without a writ of habaes corpus. Torture. A giant new Cabinet level department engaged in spying on every American. "Free speech zones". Harassment of reporters. Abusive NDLs. An increase in the size of every federal agency, except two (SEC and EPA).

You would rather have that, eh?

It's like all you rats were in a coma during the entire period, but the second the baton was passed to the opposite party, you act all freaked out at the Constitutional violations as if it all started on January 20, 2009.

Fuck the lot of you.

hahaha. You think the police brutality has anything to do with what party you're for?...

I don't agree with the wire taps. I don't agree with the torture either. I also disagree with increasing the size of the gov. You act like all these things are purely a product of Republicans. Our government just sucks and they would do the same shit if it was a democrat.

The democratic party actively supports a collective government that will dramatically affect everyone's lives and lead to failure. If that's what you want then go ahead. Take what you pathetic people living on welfare think you deserve. Ruin the country people worked hard to make.

 

[peach174]

Libs assume that because we vote republican we trust them or even support everything they want. The fact is that we would rather have that than have our country sink into a failed socialist country that ends all progress.

Under the last Republican White House and Congress, the government was given massive police powers. Warrantless wiretaps. Indeterminate detention of US citizens without a writ of habaes corpus. Torture. A giant new Cabinet level department engaged in spying on every American. "Free speech zones". Harassment of reporters. Abusive NDLs. An increase in the size of every federal agency, except two (SEC and EPA).

You would rather have that, eh?

It's like all you rats were in a coma during the entire period, but the second the baton was passed to the opposite party, you act all freaked out at the Constitutional violations as if it all started on January 20, 2009.

Fuck the lot of you.

Not true
Obama Signs FISA Warrantless Wiretapping Program Extension Into Law
President Barack Obama has signed into law a five-year extension of the U.S. government's authority to monitor the overseas activity of suspected foreign spies and terrorists.
The warrantless intercept program would have expired at the end of 2012 without the president's approval. The renewal bill won final passage in the Senate on Friday.
Known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the law allows the government to monitor overseas phone calls and emails without obtaining a court order for each intercept.
The law does not apply to Americans. When Americans are targeted for surveillance, the government must get a warrant from a special 11-judge court of U.S. district judges appointed by the Supreme Court.

 

[-S-]

I'd appreciate it if the OP could establish some support for the claim that the GOP is actually for smaller government. Something other than just saying that they are for smaller government.

Thanks.

They are consistently identified as the party in favor of smaller government. I made that clear in the OP. But this isnt about the GOP. This is about what Dems stand for.

One of the two major parties is more likely to institute campaign finance reform with limits on contributions and greater transparency.

If you are concerned about money corrupting politics, you ought to consider that when casting your vote.

Yes, Democrats are in favor of limiting free speech. They already launched a Constitutional intiiative aimed at restricting free speech.
Thanks for pointing this out: Democrats are opposed to civil liberties. That's one point.

The GOP stands for smaller government, lower taxes, pro business, generally socially conservative policies. Most people would agree on that even if they dont always vote that way.
What does the Democratic Party stand for? THey seem to stand for class warfare, tribal identification, and free shit.
How can they possibly hope to win with such divisive stands, and after such a record of failure?

Myopic,,,aren't we??

Can't see the forest for the trees, what a tool..

Trying to boost your post count, again?

As an outside observer with friends who associate with the party, it seems they believe in a humanistic approach to society, politics, government and foreign policy.

That it mere pablum. It also isnt true, if it means anything at all. Dem policies have been the most likely to dehumanize and objectify people.

These quotes and many others by the original poster in this thread lead me to the deduction that this person is either:

a.) Trolling

or

b.) Unintelligent


It seems that if the GOP 'says' they are for smaller government, then, no questions asked, they are, on their word alone. And that's good enough for The Rabbi.

If anyone brings up a point against the idea of the GOP being for what The Rabbi believes they are for, HeShe says "This is about the Democrats, not the GOP."

DESPITE the misleading opening sentence of this thread being entirely about WHAT THE GOP PLATFORM IS.

Only The Rabbi is allowed to talk about the GOP in this thread..

Furthermore, the Democratic party says they are for civil liberties.

But in The Rabbi's world, only the GOP's word is as good as gold. In this thread, Rabbi's opinion is all that matters.
Because of this, the Democratic party is now 'opposed to civil liberties'..

Being completely biased and yet absolutely unaware of it is generally a sign of low intelligence, but it is also a well known troll tactic.
Hm..

Now, I ask YOU, the reader:

Trolling, or stupid?

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

I'd appreciate it if the OP could establish some support for the claim that the GOP is actually for smaller government. Something other than just saying that they are for smaller government.

Thanks.

They are consistently identified as the party in favor of smaller government. I made that clear in the OP. But this isnt about the GOP. This is about what Dems stand for.

One of the two major parties is more likely to institute campaign finance reform with limits on contributions and greater transparency.

If you are concerned about money corrupting politics, you ought to consider that when casting your vote.

Yes, Democrats are in favor of limiting free speech. They already launched a Constitutional intiiative aimed at restricting free speech.
Thanks for pointing this out: Democrats are opposed to civil liberties. That's one point.

The GOP stands for smaller government, lower taxes, pro business, generally socially conservative policies. Most people would agree on that even if they dont always vote that way.
What does the Democratic Party stand for? THey seem to stand for class warfare, tribal identification, and free shit.
How can they possibly hope to win with such divisive stands, and after such a record of failure?

Myopic,,,aren't we??

Can't see the forest for the trees, what a tool..

Trying to boost your post count, again?

As an outside observer with friends who associate with the party, it seems they believe in a humanistic approach to society, politics, government and foreign policy.

That it mere pablum. It also isnt true, if it means anything at all. Dem policies have been the most likely to dehumanize and objectify people.

These quotes and many others by the original poster in this thread lead me to the deduction that this person is either:

a.) Trolling

or

b.) Unintelligent


It seems that if the GOP 'says' they are for smaller government, then, no questions asked, they are, on their word alone. And that's good enough for The Rabbi.

If anyone brings up a point against the idea of the GOP being for what The Rabbi believes they are for, HeShe says "This is about the Democrats, not the GOP."

DESPITE the misleading opening sentence of this thread being entirely about WHAT THE GOP PLATFORM IS.

Only The Rabbi is allowed to talk about the GOP in this thread..

Furthermore, the Democratic party says they are for civil liberties.

But in The Rabbi's world, only the GOP's word is as good as gold. In this thread, Rabbi's opinion is all that matters.
Because of this, the Democratic party is now 'opposed to civil liberties'..

Being completely biased and yet absolutely unaware of it is generally a sign of low intelligence, but it is also a well known troll tactic.
Hm..

Now, I ask YOU, the reader:

Trolling, or stupid?

C. None of the above.

He's smart. He realizes that you have to talk stupidly to stupid people which makes him smart.

 

[g5000]

Libs assume that because we vote republican we trust them or even support everything they want. The fact is that we would rather have that than have our country sink into a failed socialist country that ends all progress.

Under the last Republican White House and Congress, the government was given massive police powers. Warrantless wiretaps. Indeterminate detention of US citizens without a writ of habaes corpus. Torture. A giant new Cabinet level department engaged in spying on every American. "Free speech zones". Harassment of reporters. Abusive NDLs. An increase in the size of every federal agency, except two (SEC and EPA).

You would rather have that, eh?

It's like all you rats were in a coma during the entire period, but the second the baton was passed to the opposite party, you act all freaked out at the Constitutional violations as if it all started on January 20, 2009.

Fuck the lot of you.

Not true
Obama Signs FISA Warrantless Wiretapping Program Extension Into Law
President Barack Obama has signed into law a five-year extension of the U.S. government's authority to monitor the overseas activity of suspected foreign spies and terrorists.
The warrantless intercept program would have expired at the end of 2012 without the president's approval. The renewal bill won final passage in the Senate on Friday.
Known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the law allows the government to monitor overseas phone calls and emails without obtaining a court order for each intercept.
The law does not apply to Americans. When Americans are targeted for surveillance, the government must get a warrant from a special 11-judge court of U.S. district judges appointed by the Supreme Court.

Wow. You really were in a coma!

NSA warrantless surveillance 2001 07 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Spy Agency Data After Sept. 11 Led F.B.I. to Dead Ends


NSA Spying Is It Legal - Newsweek Politics - MSNBC.com

Patterns of Misconduct FBI Intelligence Violations from 2001 - 2008

Why We Published the AT T Docs

NSA collecting phone records of millions of Verizon customers daily

FBI Found to Misuse Security Letters

 

[-S-]

I'd appreciate it if the OP could establish some support for the claim that the GOP is actually for smaller government. Something other than just saying that they are for smaller government.

Thanks.

They are consistently identified as the party in favor of smaller government. I made that clear in the OP. But this isnt about the GOP. This is about what Dems stand for.

One of the two major parties is more likely to institute campaign finance reform with limits on contributions and greater transparency.

If you are concerned about money corrupting politics, you ought to consider that when casting your vote.

Yes, Democrats are in favor of limiting free speech. They already launched a Constitutional intiiative aimed at restricting free speech.
Thanks for pointing this out: Democrats are opposed to civil liberties. That's one point.

The GOP stands for smaller government, lower taxes, pro business, generally socially conservative policies. Most people would agree on that even if they dont always vote that way.
What does the Democratic Party stand for? THey seem to stand for class warfare, tribal identification, and free shit.
How can they possibly hope to win with such divisive stands, and after such a record of failure?

Myopic,,,aren't we??

Can't see the forest for the trees, what a tool..

Trying to boost your post count, again?

As an outside observer with friends who associate with the party, it seems they believe in a humanistic approach to society, politics, government and foreign policy.

That it mere pablum. It also isnt true, if it means anything at all. Dem policies have been the most likely to dehumanize and objectify people.

These quotes and many others by the original poster in this thread lead me to the deduction that this person is either:

a.) Trolling

or

b.) Unintelligent


It seems that if the GOP 'says' they are for smaller government, then, no questions asked, they are, on their word alone. And that's good enough for The Rabbi.

If anyone brings up a point against the idea of the GOP being for what The Rabbi believes they are for, HeShe says "This is about the Democrats, not the GOP."

DESPITE the misleading opening sentence of this thread being entirely about WHAT THE GOP PLATFORM IS.

Only The Rabbi is allowed to talk about the GOP in this thread..

Furthermore, the Democratic party says they are for civil liberties.

But in The Rabbi's world, only the GOP's word is as good as gold. In this thread, Rabbi's opinion is all that matters.
Because of this, the Democratic party is now 'opposed to civil liberties'..

Being completely biased and yet absolutely unaware of it is generally a sign of low intelligence, but it is also a well known troll tactic.
Hm..

Now, I ask YOU, the reader:

Trolling, or stupid?

C. None of the above.

He's smart. He realizes that you have to talk stupidly to stupid people which makes him smart.

So you think that in order to win a debate, one must try to be stupid? Is that why conservatives talk like that?
Run home, Forrest Gump.

 

[SUPERMAN1929]

I'd appreciate it if the OP could establish some support for the claim that the GOP is actually for smaller government. Something other than just saying that they are for smaller government.

Thanks.

They are consistently identified as the party in favor of smaller government. I made that clear in the OP. But this isnt about the GOP. This is about what Dems stand for.

One of the two major parties is more likely to institute campaign finance reform with limits on contributions and greater transparency.

If you are concerned about money corrupting politics, you ought to consider that when casting your vote.

Yes, Democrats are in favor of limiting free speech. They already launched a Constitutional intiiative aimed at restricting free speech.
Thanks for pointing this out: Democrats are opposed to civil liberties. That's one point.

The GOP stands for smaller government, lower taxes, pro business, generally socially conservative policies. Most people would agree on that even if they dont always vote that way.
What does the Democratic Party stand for? THey seem to stand for class warfare, tribal identification, and free shit.
How can they possibly hope to win with such divisive stands, and after such a record of failure?

Myopic,,,aren't we??

Can't see the forest for the trees, what a tool..

Trying to boost your post count, again?

As an outside observer with friends who associate with the party, it seems they believe in a humanistic approach to society, politics, government and foreign policy.

That it mere pablum. It also isnt true, if it means anything at all. Dem policies have been the most likely to dehumanize and objectify people.

These quotes and many others by the original poster in this thread lead me to the deduction that this person is either:

a.) Trolling

or

b.) Unintelligent


It seems that if the GOP 'says' they are for smaller government, then, no questions asked, they are, on their word alone. And that's good enough for The Rabbi.

If anyone brings up a point against the idea of the GOP being for what The Rabbi believes they are for, HeShe says "This is about the Democrats, not the GOP."

DESPITE the misleading opening sentence of this thread being entirely about WHAT THE GOP PLATFORM IS.

Only The Rabbi is allowed to talk about the GOP in this thread..

Furthermore, the Democratic party says they are for civil liberties.

But in The Rabbi's world, only the GOP's word is as good as gold. In this thread, Rabbi's opinion is all that matters.
Because of this, the Democratic party is now 'opposed to civil liberties'..

Being completely biased and yet absolutely unaware of it is generally a sign of low intelligence, but it is also a well known troll tactic.
Hm..

Now, I ask YOU, the reader:

Trolling, or stupid?

C. None of the above.

He's smart. He realizes that you have to talk stupidly to stupid people which makes him smart.

So you think that in order to win a debate, one must try to be stupid? Is that why conservatives talk like that?
Run home, Forrest Gump.

To reason with idiots and see their point of view you must become an idiot.

 

[peach174]

Libs assume that because we vote republican we trust them or even support everything they want. The fact is that we would rather have that than have our country sink into a failed socialist country that ends all progress.

Under the last Republican White House and Congress, the government was given massive police powers. Warrantless wiretaps. Indeterminate detention of US citizens without a writ of habaes corpus. Torture. A giant new Cabinet level department engaged in spying on every American. "Free speech zones". Harassment of reporters. Abusive NDLs. An increase in the size of every federal agency, except two (SEC and EPA).

You would rather have that, eh?

It's like all you rats were in a coma during the entire period, but the second the baton was passed to the opposite party, you act all freaked out at the Constitutional violations as if it all started on January 20, 2009.

Fuck the lot of you.

Not true
Obama Signs FISA Warrantless Wiretapping Program Extension Into Law
President Barack Obama has signed into law a five-year extension of the U.S. government's authority to monitor the overseas activity of suspected foreign spies and terrorists.
The warrantless intercept program would have expired at the end of 2012 without the president's approval. The renewal bill won final passage in the Senate on Friday.
Known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the law allows the government to monitor overseas phone calls and emails without obtaining a court order for each intercept.
The law does not apply to Americans. When Americans are targeted for surveillance, the government must get a warrant from a special 11-judge court of U.S. district judges appointed by the Supreme Court.

Wow. You really were in a coma!

NSA warrantless surveillance 2001 07 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Spy Agency Data After Sept. 11 Led F.B.I. to Dead Ends


NSA Spying Is It Legal - Newsweek Politics - MSNBC.com

Patterns of Misconduct FBI Intelligence Violations from 2001 - 2008

Why We Published the AT T Docs

NSA collecting phone records of millions of Verizon customers daily

FBI Found to Misuse Security Letters

From your wikipedia link
FISCR Ruling of August 2008
In August 2008, the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review (FISCR) affirmed the constitutionality of the Protect America Act of 2007 in a heavily redacted opinion released on January 15, 2009, which is only the second such public ruling since the enactment of the FISA Act.

I do think that the vast majority of Americans on both sides disagree with this ruling? YES

I also think that Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. and Obama has overstepped their authority.