What does Christ, Marx, and Nietchze have in common?

[Marion Morrison]

Nietzsche is dead.
Jesus is dying a slow death.
Marx is eternal.

Marx provides the antidote to nihilism and the final death blow to Jesus.

All three actually died, but one is said to have arisen.

At the end of the day, the only real hope we have is in such a miraculous event.

But I understand what you are trying to say. Marx at first seemed to be a threat to governments who used elements of the Christian faith to try and control people, but they later realized Marx provided a better way. For you see, Marx provided them with the demagoguery to convince the populace to give the government complete control over the markets and every financial transaction, to be redistributed the way they saw fit. It beat threatening people with hell if they did not obey the state.

In fact, I bet that the people of Venezuela who are now eating out of garbage cans thanks to the Marxist demagoguery are still in love with socialism

You only need to drink the cool aid once.

I'm talking about the ideas proffered by the three individuals being discussed. But you knew that.

As you stated in your op, Marx's ideas have been falsified. I am saying that despite this, his true ideas live on, awaiting history to unfold.

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

I agree that most don't understand Marx and simply accept how government presents him.

However, the ideology of Marx was based upon materialism. Marx rejected the spiritual aspect of human existence and cheapened it to merely dollars and cents. For Marx, suffering was due to a lack of materialism.

If not, what is your take?

Really it was suffering due to lack of Jesus.

 

[Tehon]

Nietzsche is dead.
Jesus is dying a slow death.
Marx is eternal.

Marx provides the antidote to nihilism and the final death blow to Jesus.

All three actually died, but one is said to have arisen.

At the end of the day, the only real hope we have is in such a miraculous event.

But I understand what you are trying to say. Marx at first seemed to be a threat to governments who used elements of the Christian faith to try and control people, but they later realized Marx provided a better way. For you see, Marx provided them with the demagoguery to convince the populace to give the government complete control over the markets and every financial transaction, to be redistributed the way they saw fit. It beat threatening people with hell if they did not obey the state.

In fact, I bet that the people of Venezuela who are now eating out of garbage cans thanks to the Marxist demagoguery are still in love with socialism

You only need to drink the cool aid once.

I'm talking about the ideas proffered by the three individuals being discussed. But you knew that.

As you stated in your op, Marx's ideas have been falsified. I am saying that despite this, his true ideas live on, awaiting history to unfold.

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

I agree that most don't understand Marx and simply accept how government presents him.

However, the ideology of Marx was based upon materialism. Marx rejected the spiritual aspect of human existence and cheapened it to merely dollars and cents. For Marx, suffering was due to a lack of materialism.

If not, what is your take?

Marx's philosophy is materialism, dialectical and historical. He does not believe anything exists outside the material elements that form our universe. That is correct. A materialist philosophy does not have anything to do with material greed.

I don't think he cheapens anything with his philosophy. It goes a long way to explaining why we are in the predicament we are in as a society. His criticisms of capitalism were an attempt to give people consciousness. To show them that it is capitalism that cheapens everything to dollars and cents. He did not give us a blueprint for developing a new society, he merely showed us why we needed one. It is through his critique of capitalism that we are to find our own way out of this mess.

I'm not sure what you mean by suffering from a lack of materialism. Materialism is a philosophical outlook. For Marx, humans suffered from alienation. This alienation takes place on a number of levels. One such instance of alienation we have already touched upon is in our human relations, which are cheapened by concerns of dollars and cents.

 

[Votto]

All three actually died, but one is said to have arisen.

At the end of the day, the only real hope we have is in such a miraculous event.

But I understand what you are trying to say. Marx at first seemed to be a threat to governments who used elements of the Christian faith to try and control people, but they later realized Marx provided a better way. For you see, Marx provided them with the demagoguery to convince the populace to give the government complete control over the markets and every financial transaction, to be redistributed the way they saw fit. It beat threatening people with hell if they did not obey the state.

In fact, I bet that the people of Venezuela who are now eating out of garbage cans thanks to the Marxist demagoguery are still in love with socialism

You only need to drink the cool aid once.

I'm talking about the ideas proffered by the three individuals being discussed. But you knew that.

As you stated in your op, Marx's ideas have been falsified. I am saying that despite this, his true ideas live on, awaiting history to unfold.

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

I agree that most don't understand Marx and simply accept how government presents him.

However, the ideology of Marx was based upon materialism. Marx rejected the spiritual aspect of human existence and cheapened it to merely dollars and cents. For Marx, suffering was due to a lack of materialism.

If not, what is your take?

Marx's philosophy is materialism, dialectical and historical. He does not believe anything exists outside the material elements that form our universe. That is correct. A materialist philosophy does not have anything to do with material greed.

I don't think he cheapens anything with his philosophy. It goes a long way to explaining why we are in the predicament we are in as a society. His criticisms of capitalism were an attempt to give people consciousness. To show them that it is capitalism that cheapens everything to dollars and cents. He did not give us a blueprint for developing a new society, he merely showed us why we needed one. It is through his critique of capitalism that we are to find our own way out of this mess.

I'm not sure what you mean by suffering from a lack of materialism. Materialism is a philosophical outlook. For Marx, humans suffered from alienation. This alienation takes place on a number of levels. One such instance of alienation we have already touched upon is in our human relations, which are cheapened by concerns of dollars and cents.

Some of the most alienated and lonely people in the world are rich.

 

[Votto]

All three actually died, but one is said to have arisen.

At the end of the day, the only real hope we have is in such a miraculous event.

But I understand what you are trying to say. Marx at first seemed to be a threat to governments who used elements of the Christian faith to try and control people, but they later realized Marx provided a better way. For you see, Marx provided them with the demagoguery to convince the populace to give the government complete control over the markets and every financial transaction, to be redistributed the way they saw fit. It beat threatening people with hell if they did not obey the state.

In fact, I bet that the people of Venezuela who are now eating out of garbage cans thanks to the Marxist demagoguery are still in love with socialism

You only need to drink the cool aid once.

I'm talking about the ideas proffered by the three individuals being discussed. But you knew that.

As you stated in your op, Marx's ideas have been falsified. I am saying that despite this, his true ideas live on, awaiting history to unfold.

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

I agree that most don't understand Marx and simply accept how government presents him.

However, the ideology of Marx was based upon materialism. Marx rejected the spiritual aspect of human existence and cheapened it to merely dollars and cents. For Marx, suffering was due to a lack of materialism.

If not, what is your take?

Really it was suffering due to lack of Jesus.

That is the source of all suffering.

 

[Tehon]

I'm talking about the ideas proffered by the three individuals being discussed. But you knew that.

As you stated in your op, Marx's ideas have been falsified. I am saying that despite this, his true ideas live on, awaiting history to unfold.

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

I agree that most don't understand Marx and simply accept how government presents him.

However, the ideology of Marx was based upon materialism. Marx rejected the spiritual aspect of human existence and cheapened it to merely dollars and cents. For Marx, suffering was due to a lack of materialism.

If not, what is your take?

Marx's philosophy is materialism, dialectical and historical. He does not believe anything exists outside the material elements that form our universe. That is correct. A materialist philosophy does not have anything to do with material greed.

I don't think he cheapens anything with his philosophy. It goes a long way to explaining why we are in the predicament we are in as a society. His criticisms of capitalism were an attempt to give people consciousness. To show them that it is capitalism that cheapens everything to dollars and cents. He did not give us a blueprint for developing a new society, he merely showed us why we needed one. It is through his critique of capitalism that we are to find our own way out of this mess.

I'm not sure what you mean by suffering from a lack of materialism. Materialism is a philosophical outlook. For Marx, humans suffered from alienation. This alienation takes place on a number of levels. One such instance of alienation we have already touched upon is in our human relations, which are cheapened by concerns of dollars and cents.

Some of the most alienated and lonely people in the world are rich.

You seem to think rich people don't have human relations.

Capitalism alienates people without prejudice. It pits people against one another in a struggle to survive. I can imagine that many of those who rise to the top will feel lonely and alienated once they have arrived. And then there are those who are never satisfied.

 

[Tehon]

I'm talking about the ideas proffered by the three individuals being discussed. But you knew that.

As you stated in your op, Marx's ideas have been falsified. I am saying that despite this, his true ideas live on, awaiting history to unfold.

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

I agree that most don't understand Marx and simply accept how government presents him.

However, the ideology of Marx was based upon materialism. Marx rejected the spiritual aspect of human existence and cheapened it to merely dollars and cents. For Marx, suffering was due to a lack of materialism.

If not, what is your take?

Really it was suffering due to lack of Jesus.

That is the source of all suffering.

The child that goes to bed hungry at night isn't suffering from a lack of Jesus. He is suffering from lack of food.

 

[daveman]

All three men looked at the world, saw what was wrong with the world, and developed thoughts on how to overcome such wrongs.

All three men were taken out or context and used by the state for the benefit of the state. Christ was used by the Pope turned politician, Marx was used by such wonderful figures as Stalin and Moa and Chavez, and Nietchze was used by Hitler.

I believe all 3 men would have been appalled by the misuse of their various philosophies.

At the end of the day though, most only identify with how the state presents each. They never really bother to dig down and see what they were all about.

Not at all alike, the three you've mentioned. I disagree, strongly. Christ did not intend to change the carnal or corporeal world so much as his primary objective was arranging for some kind of immortality for mortals, and then only after their deaths . . . sort of undoing Eve's little boo-boo in the Garden. While his philosophies included a clear, easy to understand and follow code of moral behavior, said moral code was intended to qualify the souls of mortals for entering His Father's kingdom; making the world easier to live in was likely a side-effect. I do not believe Christ wanted to change the mortal world for the sake of making it a kinder, fairer place; rather, his teachings boil down to mortals living their lives in a specific manner which will award them eternal life after death with an overarching theme of asking for and receiving forgiveness for sin.

Nietzsche was no messiah, no Christ-like figure, not really a prophet per se, either. He was a thinker, among the greatest to ever exist, and yet he was no man of action, as was Christ. Nietzsche made predictions about the mind and souls of men. Predictions which turned out to be incredibly accurate if not possibly self-fulfilling to some degree considering the wide publication of his works. He was also a man of his historical era and all the associated baggage of that time period directly influenced his life and writings. Some believe Nietzsche was talking about himself when he wrote the character of Zarathustra into being, but I don't think that's entirely accurate. One could also draw parallels between Nietzsche's Zarathustra and Christ, however, the differences are just to bitter and unmistakable. Where Christ intended to literally save every last man woman and child's eternal soul, Zarathustra as written by Nietzsche was content to prepare all men, women and children for the coming of a more perfect incarnation of human beings, and to convince all the people of the world to go quietly into extinction in preparation for their arrival. In this way, and the way in which Zarathustra cared for the lifeless tightrope walker, he cared only for the dead, while Christ cared for the living and what happened to their souls after death. I'd also get into Nihilism, but I'd be here typing out my post until dawn.

Marx, while a bit of a more cryptic "nut" to crack and understand than the others, was, if you bother to read all of him, driven by hatred of specific races and classes and nationalities of people, pure and simple. There's no arguing he wanted to influence and change the world, it's just very obvious he wasn't out to change the world for the better, not by a very long shot. If Marx should be compared to any mythological or actual being, I'd suggest Satan or Lucifer or whatever they're calling old scratch these days would be a more apt huckleberry for that purpose. Marx is arguably directly responsible for the deaths of over a hundred million fellow human beings, possibly much more than that depending on how one fits abortion into one's analysis of Cultural Marxism and the shit China is pulling these days with organ harvesting.

In conclusion, I must agree with you that the words of both Christ and Nietzsche were both politicized and the men themselves underwent forms of apotheosis against their will after their deaths, but must disagree with you on Marx. Marx's grand meta-narrative ideology and panacea for healing the civilized world by revolutionary bloodshed was a thing politicized by his own hands within his lifetime.

To sum it all up:

Christ: gave hope to all who would listen.

Nietzsche: tried to convince all of mankind to give up hope; although not as malevolent as that sounds.

Marx: gave false hope to hundreds of millions; his were words of great deception.

Oh come on, Marx was not at all evil.
In fact he never actually tried to implement anything.
He was correctly outrages at the injustice of the privileged class, politically and economically enslaving the majority.
If anything, he was just too idealistic.
He really believed that if economic and political pressures were taken away, that mankind would become benevolent to each other. He really did believe that the state would whither away, and was unnecessary.
The only bad thing one can really say about Marx is that he lived too early, before other cures for the industrial revolution were invented, like unions and trust busting.

Marx was a lazy piece of shit, refused to work, sponged off his friend Friedrich Engels, and let 4 of his 7 children die of poverty because he couldn't be bothered to get off his ass and get a job.

Yes.




















So what is your point exactly? LOL.

Marx has also become the most useful tool of every despot in modern times, but you ain't seen noth'in yet!

The left picks nothing but shitty people to be their heroes.

 

[daveman]

Nietzsche is dead.
Jesus is dying a slow death.
Marx is eternal.

Marx provides the antidote to nihilism and the final death blow to Jesus.

All three actually died, but one is said to have arisen.

At the end of the day, the only real hope we have is in such a miraculous event.

But I understand what you are trying to say. Marx at first seemed to be a threat to governments who used elements of the Christian faith to try and control people, but they later realized Marx provided a better way. For you see, Marx provided them with the demagoguery to convince the populace to give the government complete control over the markets and every financial transaction, to be redistributed the way they saw fit. It beat threatening people with hell if they did not obey the state.

In fact, I bet that the people of Venezuela who are now eating out of garbage cans thanks to the Marxist demagoguery are still in love with socialism

You only need to drink the cool aid once.

I'm talking about the ideas proffered by the three individuals being discussed. But you knew that.

As you stated in your op, Marx's ideas have been falsified. I am saying that despite this, his true ideas live on, awaiting history to unfold.

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

There are two kinds of people who advocate Marx' ideas:

1. Stupid people who think they'll be given everything they want, and

2. Evil people who want their boot on everyone's necks.

 

[daveman]

The early Christian communities had Marx beat before his time. It isn't the state the makes real social sharing work, it is the extra-material orientation of a society itself. When people see each other as family the rest is obvious.

You don't know Marx. His theories are not reliant on the state to make sharing work. That is a ridiculous statement.

The capitalist system of production is one of competition. It is driven by the need for profit. How is this conducive to brotherhood?

We are the richest country the world has ever known. Where do you see the wealth being shared? Where is the brotherhood in our supposedly christian nation?

You don't know how to read. The quoted post does not say that Marx required state enforcement. It does state how real social efforts succeed. It does not say that America is any example of how things could (should?) work.
As for capitalism, it is merely one form of economic functioning; not evil and not good of itself. As for competition, it is often most exemplified by brothers. Competition is necessary for stimulation and development. It is not a 'bad thing', though obviously carried to extremes it becomes absurd and destructive.
Capitalism is not a philosophy, religion or faith. It is not something to worship or even propagate. It can be useful as an approach, but, as with the famous examples of socialist failures, there have been many instances of terrible consequences of excess.

I read just fine. And I am telling you, Marx's economic theory is a real social effort, it is not premeditated by the state as you suggested. Its implementation would negate the need for the state. It is a theory of why we will need to develop a system of communal living as the next phase of human social development.

...OR ELSE.

Communism utterly fails every time because it utterly fails to take human nature into account.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Nietzsche is dead.
Jesus is dying a slow death.
Marx is eternal.

Marx provides the antidote to nihilism and the final death blow to Jesus.

All three actually died, but one is said to have arisen.

At the end of the day, the only real hope we have is in such a miraculous event.

But I understand what you are trying to say. Marx at first seemed to be a threat to governments who used elements of the Christian faith to try and control people, but they later realized Marx provided a better way. For you see, Marx provided them with the demagoguery to convince the populace to give the government complete control over the markets and every financial transaction, to be redistributed the way they saw fit. It beat threatening people with hell if they did not obey the state.

In fact, I bet that the people of Venezuela who are now eating out of garbage cans thanks to the Marxist demagoguery are still in love with socialism

You only need to drink the cool aid once.

I'm talking about the ideas proffered by the three individuals being discussed. But you knew that.

As you stated in your op, Marx's ideas have been falsified. I am saying that despite this, his true ideas live on, awaiting history to unfold.

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

There are two kinds of people who advocate Marx' ideas:

1. Stupid people who think they'll be given everything they want, and

2. Evil people who want their boot on everyone's necks.

I'm throwing Tehon into category 1.

 

[Tehon]

All three actually died, but one is said to have arisen.

At the end of the day, the only real hope we have is in such a miraculous event.

But I understand what you are trying to say. Marx at first seemed to be a threat to governments who used elements of the Christian faith to try and control people, but they later realized Marx provided a better way. For you see, Marx provided them with the demagoguery to convince the populace to give the government complete control over the markets and every financial transaction, to be redistributed the way they saw fit. It beat threatening people with hell if they did not obey the state.

In fact, I bet that the people of Venezuela who are now eating out of garbage cans thanks to the Marxist demagoguery are still in love with socialism

You only need to drink the cool aid once.

I'm talking about the ideas proffered by the three individuals being discussed. But you knew that.

As you stated in your op, Marx's ideas have been falsified. I am saying that despite this, his true ideas live on, awaiting history to unfold.

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

There are two kinds of people who advocate Marx' ideas:

1. Stupid people who think they'll be given everything they want, and

2. Evil people who want their boot on everyone's necks.

I'm throwing Tehon into category 1.

Thank you, I think. I'll have you know that I work for a living. I don't ask of anything from government. I understand what my labor is worth. I also understand that I'm not receiving its full value.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I'm talking about the ideas proffered by the three individuals being discussed. But you knew that.

As you stated in your op, Marx's ideas have been falsified. I am saying that despite this, his true ideas live on, awaiting history to unfold.

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

There are two kinds of people who advocate Marx' ideas:

1. Stupid people who think they'll be given everything they want, and

2. Evil people who want their boot on everyone's necks.

I'm throwing Tehon into category 1.

Thank you, I think. I'll have you know that I work for a living. I don't ask of anything from government. I understand what my labor is worth. I also understand that I'm not receiving its full value.

Excess labor value!

Why don't you save up and make yourself the means of production then?

Or are you not wanting to be the proletariat and just bitch about them?

 

[Tehon]

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

There are two kinds of people who advocate Marx' ideas:

1. Stupid people who think they'll be given everything they want, and

2. Evil people who want their boot on everyone's necks.

I'm throwing Tehon into category 1.

Thank you, I think. I'll have you know that I work for a living. I don't ask of anything from government. I understand what my labor is worth. I also understand that I'm not receiving its full value.

Excess labor value!

Why don't you save up up and make yourself the means of production then?

I could do that. But it won't solve our problems.

 

[daveman]

All three actually died, but one is said to have arisen.

At the end of the day, the only real hope we have is in such a miraculous event.

But I understand what you are trying to say. Marx at first seemed to be a threat to governments who used elements of the Christian faith to try and control people, but they later realized Marx provided a better way. For you see, Marx provided them with the demagoguery to convince the populace to give the government complete control over the markets and every financial transaction, to be redistributed the way they saw fit. It beat threatening people with hell if they did not obey the state.

In fact, I bet that the people of Venezuela who are now eating out of garbage cans thanks to the Marxist demagoguery are still in love with socialism

You only need to drink the cool aid once.

I'm talking about the ideas proffered by the three individuals being discussed. But you knew that.

As you stated in your op, Marx's ideas have been falsified. I am saying that despite this, his true ideas live on, awaiting history to unfold.

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

There are two kinds of people who advocate Marx' ideas:

1. Stupid people who think they'll be given everything they want, and

2. Evil people who want their boot on everyone's necks.

I'm throwing Tehon into category 1.

He's not alone.

Your job after "the revolution"

Read the comments. These people are absolutely disconnected from reality.

 

[daveman]

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

There are two kinds of people who advocate Marx' ideas:

1. Stupid people who think they'll be given everything they want, and

2. Evil people who want their boot on everyone's necks.

I'm throwing Tehon into category 1.

Thank you, I think. I'll have you know that I work for a living. I don't ask of anything from government. I understand what my labor is worth. I also understand that I'm not receiving its full value.

Excess labor value!

Why don't you save up and make yourself the means of production then?

Or are you not wanting to be the proletariat and just bitch about them?

The people who claim to care the most about the working class have a deep loathing for people who work.

 

[daveman]

I'm talking about the ideas proffered by the three individuals being discussed. But you knew that.

As you stated in your op, Marx's ideas have been falsified. I am saying that despite this, his true ideas live on, awaiting history to unfold.

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

There are two kinds of people who advocate Marx' ideas:

1. Stupid people who think they'll be given everything they want, and

2. Evil people who want their boot on everyone's necks.

I'm throwing Tehon into category 1.

Thank you, I think. I'll have you know that I work for a living. I don't ask of anything from government. I understand what my labor is worth. I also understand that I'm not receiving its full value.

You are free to negotiate your own salary. You are also free to make your labor more valuable.

Why don't you?

 

[Votto]

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

I agree that most don't understand Marx and simply accept how government presents him.

However, the ideology of Marx was based upon materialism. Marx rejected the spiritual aspect of human existence and cheapened it to merely dollars and cents. For Marx, suffering was due to a lack of materialism.

If not, what is your take?

Really it was suffering due to lack of Jesus.

That is the source of all suffering.

The child that goes to bed hungry at night isn't suffering from a lack of Jesus. He is suffering from lack of food.

Jesus spent his life feeding the poor and commanding others to do the same.

In fact, look at statistics who give the most of their time and money to the poor, they are mostly Christian.

Wrong again.

 

[Tehon]

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

I agree that most don't understand Marx and simply accept how government presents him.

However, the ideology of Marx was based upon materialism. Marx rejected the spiritual aspect of human existence and cheapened it to merely dollars and cents. For Marx, suffering was due to a lack of materialism.

If not, what is your take?

Really it was suffering due to lack of Jesus.

That is the source of all suffering.

The child that goes to bed hungry at night isn't suffering from a lack of Jesus. He is suffering from lack of food.

Jesus spent his life feeding the poor and commanding others to do the same.

In fact, look at statistics who give the most of their time and money to the poor, they are mostly Christian.

Wrong again.

Lots of children go to bed hungry every night, all across the planet. Where's Jesus?

 

[Tehon]

But most people don't care about the ideology of Marx. Most people only care about themselves, which is the appeal of the presented ideology of Marx by the state. It is a celebration of coveting, a virtue Marx held, but one which is considered a sin by men like Christ.

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

There are two kinds of people who advocate Marx' ideas:

1. Stupid people who think they'll be given everything they want, and

2. Evil people who want their boot on everyone's necks.

I'm throwing Tehon into category 1.

Thank you, I think. I'll have you know that I work for a living. I don't ask of anything from government. I understand what my labor is worth. I also understand that I'm not receiving its full value.

You are free to negotiate your own salary. You are also free to make your labor more valuable.

Why don't you?

I'm not complaining. I'm stating a fact.

 

[daveman]

Most people don't understand Marx's philosophy. Especially in America, Marx has been intentionally falsified by the ruling class. Those that his philosophy threatens have successfully made Marx taboo for members of the herd.

What did Marx covet?

There are two kinds of people who advocate Marx' ideas:

1. Stupid people who think they'll be given everything they want, and

2. Evil people who want their boot on everyone's necks.

I'm throwing Tehon into category 1.

Thank you, I think. I'll have you know that I work for a living. I don't ask of anything from government. I understand what my labor is worth. I also understand that I'm not receiving its full value.

You are free to negotiate your own salary. You are also free to make your labor more valuable.

Why don't you?

I'm not complaining. I'm stating a fact.

I suspect you have vastly overestimated the worth of your labor.