What do normal people, think of the Palestinians?

[P F Tinmore]

This is taken out of context. There was a procedure for Jews to enter Palestine.

Jews would be allowed to immigrate.

Jews would be assisted in obtaining Palestinian citizenship.

Jews would be allowed to settle anywhere in Palestine.

Now, did this right apply to Palestinian Jews and foreign national Jews? Other parts of the mandate suggests not.

The mandate gave the land to the Jews. Arabs had no control of that land for 700 years, and it wasn't up to them what happens to it or how it gets divided. Sorry to bust your bubble. If the intolerant savages would have agreed to a Jewish state which was both legal and rightful, we wouldn't be where we are today. But savages will be savages.

Link?

Link for what idiot? That the British and UN designated the land as the Jewish state? You can't be that stupid. I'm not Rocco for you to play these idiotic word games with.

So you are just blowing smoke and cannot prove what you say?

This is taken out of context. There was a procedure for Jews to enter Palestine.

Jews would be allowed to immigrate.

Jews would be assisted in obtaining Palestinian citizenship.

Jews would be allowed to settle anywhere in Palestine.

Now, did this right apply to Palestinian Jews and foreign national Jews? Other parts of the mandate suggests not.

The mandate gave the land to the Jews. Arabs had no control of that land for 700 years, and it wasn't up to them what happens to it or how it gets divided. Sorry to bust your bubble. If the intolerant savages would have agreed to a Jewish state which was both legal and rightful, we wouldn't be where we are today. But savages will be savages.

Link?

Link for what idiot? That the British and UN designated the land as the Jewish state? You can't be that stupid. I'm not Rocco for you to play these idiotic word games with.

So you are just blowing smoke and cannot prove what you say?

No I'm saying you are a waste of time and bullshit artist who's been proven wrong a million times yet you keep coming back for more.

"Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people"

You need to read all of the treaties, agreements, white papers, and UN resolutions and make your own conclusions.

You can't go by what the Zionist propagandists say.

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, Roudy, et al,

The Mandate is highly misunderstood.

The mandate gave the land to the Jews....

Point out to me please, where it says that. I'll make it easy for you, here's a transcript Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 12 August 1922

(COMMENT)

The Mandate did not give the land to anyone; that is reserved for treaties and the self-determination of the people; the two customary method of the day.

The Treaty surrendered the land to the Allied Powers, who in turn created a Mandate to one of the Powers --- which granted the powers of government to exercise on behalf of the League of Nations --- legislative, executive and judicial powers (the power to create laws, the power to enforce laws, and the power to dispense justice). The Mandate set the underpinning for all matters inherent to the maintenance of the government (public infrastructure, utilities, transportation, collect taxes, pay the bills, enter in to contracts, diplomatic relations, records and document, safety and security, etc ... etc ... etc ...). While the Mandate, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy (emphasis on local - not national), everything was subject by Mandate to the selected power, subject always to the control of the Administration (the Mandatory).

The Mandate also established a set of pre-requisites - one of which was: The establishment of a Jewish National Home (JNH). The Mandate did NOT set the conditions, requirements, magnitude (size and dimensions), instrumentality (type of government and administration) or other characteristics which would constitute the JNH; except to facilitate immigration for all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the JNH. The concept of the JNH was an open-ended work-in-progress.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Challenger, Roudy, et al,

The Mandate is highly misunderstood.

The mandate gave the land to the Jews....

Point out to me please, where it says that. I'll make it easy for you, here's a transcript Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 12 August 1922

(COMMENT)

The Mandate did not give the land to anyone; that is reserved for treaties and the self-determination of the people; the two customary method of the day.

The Treaty surrendered the land to the Allied Powers, who in turn created a Mandate to one of the Powers --- which granted the powers of government to exercise on behalf of the League of Nations --- legislative, executive and judicial powers (the power to create laws, the power to enforce laws, and the power to dispense justice). The Mandate set the underpinning for all matters inherent to the maintenance of the government (public infrastructure, utilities, transportation, collect taxes, pay the bills, enter in to contracts, diplomatic relations, records and document, safety and security, etc ... etc ... etc ...). While the Mandate, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy (emphasis on local - not national), everything was subject by Mandate to the selected power, subject always to the control of the Administration (the Mandatory).

The Mandate also established a set of pre-requisites - one of which was: The establishment of a Jewish National Home (JNH). The Mandate did NOT set the conditions, requirements, magnitude (size and dimensions), instrumentality (type of government and administration) or other characteristics which would constitute the JNH; except to facilitate immigration for all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the JNH. The concept of the JNH was an open-ended work-in-progress.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, but the trustee must follow the rules of the trust.

...the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation...​

Britain violated that basic principle creating a hundred years of war.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, your making an interpretation that is not held in evidence.

Challenger, Roudy, et al,

The Mandate is highly misunderstood.

The mandate gave the land to the Jews....

Point out to me please, where it says that. I'll make it easy for you, here's a transcript Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 12 August 1922

(COMMENT)

The Mandate did not give the land to anyone; that is reserved for treaties and the self-determination of the people; the two customary method of the day.

The Treaty surrendered the land to the Allied Powers, who in turn created a Mandate to one of the Powers --- which granted the powers of government to exercise on behalf of the League of Nations --- legislative, executive and judicial powers (the power to create laws, the power to enforce laws, and the power to dispense justice). The Mandate set the underpinning for all matters inherent to the maintenance of the government (public infrastructure, utilities, transportation, collect taxes, pay the bills, enter in to contracts, diplomatic relations, records and document, safety and security, etc ... etc ... etc ...). While the Mandate, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy (emphasis on local - not national), everything was subject by Mandate to the selected power, subject always to the control of the Administration (the Mandatory).

The Mandate also established a set of pre-requisites - one of which was: The establishment of a Jewish National Home (JNH). The Mandate did NOT set the conditions, requirements, magnitude (size and dimensions), instrumentality (type of government and administration) or other characteristics which would constitute the JNH; except to facilitate immigration for all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the JNH. The concept of the JNH was an open-ended work-in-progress.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, but the trustee must follow the rules of the trust.

...the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation...​

Britain violated that basic principle creating a hundred years of war.

(COMMENT)

During most of that time, the Arab (self-determination) made the decisions that resulted in the conflict, not the Mandatory.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, your making an interpretation that is not held in evidence.

Challenger, Roudy, et al,

The Mandate is highly misunderstood.

The mandate gave the land to the Jews....

Point out to me please, where it says that. I'll make it easy for you, here's a transcript Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 12 August 1922

(COMMENT)

The Mandate did not give the land to anyone; that is reserved for treaties and the self-determination of the people; the two customary method of the day.

The Treaty surrendered the land to the Allied Powers, who in turn created a Mandate to one of the Powers --- which granted the powers of government to exercise on behalf of the League of Nations --- legislative, executive and judicial powers (the power to create laws, the power to enforce laws, and the power to dispense justice). The Mandate set the underpinning for all matters inherent to the maintenance of the government (public infrastructure, utilities, transportation, collect taxes, pay the bills, enter in to contracts, diplomatic relations, records and document, safety and security, etc ... etc ... etc ...). While the Mandate, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy (emphasis on local - not national), everything was subject by Mandate to the selected power, subject always to the control of the Administration (the Mandatory).

The Mandate also established a set of pre-requisites - one of which was: The establishment of a Jewish National Home (JNH). The Mandate did NOT set the conditions, requirements, magnitude (size and dimensions), instrumentality (type of government and administration) or other characteristics which would constitute the JNH; except to facilitate immigration for all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the JNH. The concept of the JNH was an open-ended work-in-progress.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, but the trustee must follow the rules of the trust.

...the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation...​

Britain violated that basic principle creating a hundred years of war.

(COMMENT)

During most of that time, the Arab (self-determination) made the decisions that resulted in the conflict, not the Mandatory.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not true. Britain kicked the natives to the curb and promoted the agenda of foreigners.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Merely another interpretation of evens.

Not true. Britain kicked the natives to the curb and promoted the agenda of foreigners.

(COMMENT)

Playing the perpetual victim.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Merely another interpretation of evens.

Not true. Britain kicked the natives to the curb and promoted the agenda of foreigners.

(COMMENT)

Playing the perpetual victim.

Most Respectfully,
R

Most everything Britain did was at the behest of the foreign Zionists with the opposition of the people. Britain even used military force to quell the opposition to its illegal policies.

 

[Roudy]

The mandate gave the land to the Jews. Arabs had no control of that land for 700 years, and it wasn't up to them what happens to it or how it gets divided. Sorry to bust your bubble. If the intolerant savages would have agreed to a Jewish state which was both legal and rightful, we wouldn't be where we are today. But savages will be savages.

Link?

Link for what idiot? That the British and UN designated the land as the Jewish state? You can't be that stupid. I'm not Rocco for you to play these idiotic word games with.

So you are just blowing smoke and cannot prove what you say?

The mandate gave the land to the Jews. Arabs had no control of that land for 700 years, and it wasn't up to them what happens to it or how it gets divided. Sorry to bust your bubble. If the intolerant savages would have agreed to a Jewish state which was both legal and rightful, we wouldn't be where we are today. But savages will be savages.

Link?

Link for what idiot? That the British and UN designated the land as the Jewish state? You can't be that stupid. I'm not Rocco for you to play these idiotic word games with.

So you are just blowing smoke and cannot prove what you say?

No I'm saying you are a waste of time and bullshit artist who's been proven wrong a million times yet you keep coming back for more.

"Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people"

You need to read all of the treaties, agreements, white papers, and UN resolutions and make your own conclusions.

You can't go by what the Zionist propagandists say.

The big picture says that the Arabs didn't want to have a Jewish state in their midst. The greedy Arabs decided to conquer the land allocated to the Jews, and then divid the proceeds among themselves, not to create this mythical Palestine. They failed in that quest, and then failed a few more times. And the rest is history. Israel is here to stay, there is nothing Arabs can do about it. The die has been cast.

 

[Roudy]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Merely another interpretation of evens.

Not true. Britain kicked the natives to the curb and promoted the agenda of foreigners.

(COMMENT)

Playing the perpetual victim.

Most Respectfully,
R

Most everything Britain did was at the behest of the foreign Zionists with the opposition of the people. Britain even used military force to quell the opposition to its illegal policies.

Yeah? It didn't seem like it when the British restricted Jewish migration, but opened the flood doors to both legal and illegal migration of Arab Muslims. Hence today's "Palestinians".

 

[Roudy]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Merely another interpretation of evens.

Not true. Britain kicked the natives to the curb and promoted the agenda of foreigners.

(COMMENT)

Playing the perpetual victim.

Most Respectfully,
R

You mean another instance of repetitive lying? Ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

Challenger, Roudy, et al,

The Mandate is highly misunderstood.

The mandate gave the land to the Jews....

Point out to me please, where it says that. I'll make it easy for you, here's a transcript Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 12 August 1922

(COMMENT)

The Mandate did not give the land to anyone; that is reserved for treaties and the self-determination of the people; the two customary method of the day.

The Treaty surrendered the land to the Allied Powers, who in turn created a Mandate to one of the Powers --- which granted the powers of government to exercise on behalf of the League of Nations --- legislative, executive and judicial powers (the power to create laws, the power to enforce laws, and the power to dispense justice). The Mandate set the underpinning for all matters inherent to the maintenance of the government (public infrastructure, utilities, transportation, collect taxes, pay the bills, enter in to contracts, diplomatic relations, records and document, safety and security, etc ... etc ... etc ...). While the Mandate, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy (emphasis on local - not national), everything was subject by Mandate to the selected power, subject always to the control of the Administration (the Mandatory).

The Mandate also established a set of pre-requisites - one of which was: The establishment of a Jewish National Home (JNH). The Mandate did NOT set the conditions, requirements, magnitude (size and dimensions), instrumentality (type of government and administration) or other characteristics which would constitute the JNH; except to facilitate immigration for all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the JNH. The concept of the JNH was an open-ended work-in-progress.

Most Respectfully,
R

Exactly. The Mandate was in a constant state of flux, considering the various propositions, and constant Arab attacks on the Jews, causing the area to erupt into a Jew vs Arab civil war. The only constant was, as communicated by the British, the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine, to be governed by Jews.

 

[High_Gravity]

The Palestinians look absolutely wretched on the global stage, they have shown they are no different than ISIS.

 

[Roudy]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, your making an interpretation that is not held in evidence.

Challenger, Roudy, et al,

The Mandate is highly misunderstood.

The mandate gave the land to the Jews....

Point out to me please, where it says that. I'll make it easy for you, here's a transcript Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 12 August 1922

(COMMENT)

The Mandate did not give the land to anyone; that is reserved for treaties and the self-determination of the people; the two customary method of the day.

The Treaty surrendered the land to the Allied Powers, who in turn created a Mandate to one of the Powers --- which granted the powers of government to exercise on behalf of the League of Nations --- legislative, executive and judicial powers (the power to create laws, the power to enforce laws, and the power to dispense justice). The Mandate set the underpinning for all matters inherent to the maintenance of the government (public infrastructure, utilities, transportation, collect taxes, pay the bills, enter in to contracts, diplomatic relations, records and document, safety and security, etc ... etc ... etc ...). While the Mandate, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy (emphasis on local - not national), everything was subject by Mandate to the selected power, subject always to the control of the Administration (the Mandatory).

The Mandate also established a set of pre-requisites - one of which was: The establishment of a Jewish National Home (JNH). The Mandate did NOT set the conditions, requirements, magnitude (size and dimensions), instrumentality (type of government and administration) or other characteristics which would constitute the JNH; except to facilitate immigration for all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the JNH. The concept of the JNH was an open-ended work-in-progress.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, but the trustee must follow the rules of the trust.

...the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation...​

Britain violated that basic principle creating a hundred years of war.

(COMMENT)

During most of that time, the Arab (self-determination) made the decisions that resulted in the conflict, not the Mandatory.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not true. Britain kicked the natives to the curb and promoted the agenda of foreigners.

Natives? The area was Ottoman territory for 700 years. What natives? The British merely took over a territory that the Ottomans lost as a result of the Ottomans siding with the Germans.

 

[rhodescholar]

Didn't Israel declare independence without declaring borders?

Wow, what an amazing statement, you really hit hard with that one...just...so...powerful...

What was the point of it, imbecile?

It's a freaking question numbnuts!

You see the "?" on the end of the line, thats a question mark. It indicates that this is a question not a statement.

Don't stay up too late you got school tomorrow... I hope its English in the morning! Ask your teacher what a "?" means!

Shit for brains, it was a completely irrelevant question with no bearing on the thread, you simply, stupid fucking turd.

 

[Kondor3]

Does anybody know the borders of this Palestinian state that never existed in history? Ha ha ha ha.

Sure.

Even this Tinnie was not the land area original plan for the division the Jews were to be given(Given being the operative word here)a smaller amount of land......this map is for 1956.from a survey in 1946...I also note it was drawn up as a proposal ad-hoc committee/commission........The map is a Joke,steve.keep up the fight for justice and peace Tinnie...regards to the family

It may be a 1956 map but it does show the original partition lines in green, so not that much of a joke.

It is a 1946 map modified in 1956 by including some proposed borders that never became borders. If you look at the legend you can find the symbol for the international boundaries for Palestine.

The 1949 UN Armistice Agreements show that Palestine is still there and its international boundaries remained unchanged.

Pity that you listened to your Muslim-Arab neighbors when you skeddadled in 1948...

Who knew that the Egyptians and Jordanians were going to snap-up your old turf piecemeal, then drop you like a hot potato when it pleased them to do so...

Apparently, your own co-religionists had a very low opinion of you(r side), stretching back decades...

You've been suckered... and, ironically, mostly by Muslim-Arab neighbors...

The Jews don't try to sucker you... they don't have to... they just out-perform you... they just out-class you... in every way... by several orders of magnitude.

 

[Mindful]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Merely another interpretation of evens.

Not true. Britain kicked the natives to the curb and promoted the agenda of foreigners.

(COMMENT)

Playing the perpetual victim.

Most Respectfully,
R

Most everything Britain did was at the behest of the foreign Zionists with the opposition of the people. Britain even used military force to quell the opposition to its illegal policies.

Link? (as they say)

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Merely another interpretation of evens.

Not true. Britain kicked the natives to the curb and promoted the agenda of foreigners.

(COMMENT)

Playing the perpetual victim.

Most Respectfully,
R

Most everything Britain did was at the behest of the foreign Zionists with the opposition of the people. Britain even used military force to quell the opposition to its illegal policies.

Link? (as they say)

From the beginning it was that way for not just political reasons as explained in a 1920 article in the Atlantic magazine.

Zionist Aspirations in Palestine - 20.07


"As these Anglo-Egyptian officials went back to their pre-war posts in Egypt, their places in Palestine were largely taken by officers from the army, many of them excellent men and good soldiers, but for the most part ignorant of the Arab language and the customs and feelings of the people. They were able to communicate with the Arabs only through interpreters. These latter were too often local Jews, or, if not Jews, 'Effendis' (semi-Europeanized Syrians), whose interests were by no means identical with those of the people. Only those who, possessing a knowledge of an Eastern language, have yet used an interpreter can realize how easy it is for their meaning to be perverted by one who is dishonest or incompetent.



From these causes; and the fact that, although the British officer is often unable to speak Arabic, the Zionist Jew can nearly always speak English, the Arabs now feel that the administration has fallen more and more under the influence of the Zionist Commission, which has succeeded in creating an impression among the Moslems and Christians that the Jews are all-powerful in the British Foreign Office, and that, if an officer shows himself sympathetic toward the Arabs, his removal can be secured.



A Christian from Jaffa writes as follows: 'We are already feeling that we have a government within a government. British officers cannot stand on the right side because they are afraid of being removed from their posts or ticked off.'

Zionist Aspirations in Palestine - 20.07

 

[Humanity]

Didn't Israel declare independence without declaring borders?

Wow, what an amazing statement, you really hit hard with that one...just...so...powerful...

What was the point of it, imbecile?

It's a freaking question numbnuts!

You see the "?" on the end of the line, thats a question mark. It indicates that this is a question not a statement.

Don't stay up too late you got school tomorrow... I hope its English in the morning! Ask your teacher what a "?" means!

Shit for brains, it was a completely irrelevant question with no bearing on the thread, you simply, stupid fucking turd.

And good evening to you too rhodescholar...

Very scholarly use of the English language I must say. Well done you

 

[Mindful]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Merely another interpretation of evens.

Not true. Britain kicked the natives to the curb and promoted the agenda of foreigners.

(COMMENT)

Playing the perpetual victim.

Most Respectfully,
R

Most everything Britain did was at the behest of the foreign Zionists with the opposition of the people. Britain even used military force to quell the opposition to its illegal policies.

Link? (as they say)

From the beginning it was that way for not just political reasons as explained in a 1920 article in the Atlantic magazine.

Zionist Aspirations in Palestine - 20.07


"As these Anglo-Egyptian officials went back to their pre-war posts in Egypt, their places in Palestine were largely taken by officers from the army, many of them excellent men and good soldiers, but for the most part ignorant of the Arab language and the customs and feelings of the people. They were able to communicate with the Arabs only through interpreters. These latter were too often local Jews, or, if not Jews, 'Effendis' (semi-Europeanized Syrians), whose interests were by no means identical with those of the people. Only those who, possessing a knowledge of an Eastern language, have yet used an interpreter can realize how easy it is for their meaning to be perverted by one who is dishonest or incompetent.



From these causes; and the fact that, although the British officer is often unable to speak Arabic, the Zionist Jew can nearly always speak English, the Arabs now feel that the administration has fallen more and more under the influence of the Zionist Commission, which has succeeded in creating an impression among the Moslems and Christians that the Jews are all-powerful in the British Foreign Office, and that, if an officer shows himself sympathetic toward the Arabs, his removal can be secured.



A Christian from Jaffa writes as follows: 'We are already feeling that we have a government within a government. British officers cannot stand on the right side because they are afraid of being removed from their posts or ticked off.'

Not interested in anything you have to say.

 

[Humanity]

Didn't Israel declare independence without declaring borders?

Wow, what an amazing statement, you really hit hard with that one...just...so...powerful...

What was the point of it, imbecile?

It's a freaking question numbnuts!

You see the "?" on the end of the line, thats a question mark. It indicates that this is a question not a statement.

Don't stay up too late you got school tomorrow... I hope its English in the morning! Ask your teacher what a "?" means!

Shit for brains, it was a completely irrelevant question with no bearing on the thread, you simply, stupid fucking turd.

And for clarity, my post was in direct reply to a poster who said...

"I know exactly where they are. So does the world." In relation to the borders of Israel...

My question is a valid one in response to that statement.