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    John 3:16-17
    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    Matthew 5:17
    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

    James 5:16
    Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed

    John 12:47
    And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

    Hi T_Polkow:
    I hope you and I can reach agreement on this point above.
    Where both you and I will be held to every word we speak by the law.

    So if you believe in Retributive Justice
    and if you reject the Restorative Justice with Mercy which Christ brings,
    then you subject yourself to Retribution. If this is your choice, God respects that and so must I.

    Likewise, those who choose the path of Restorative Justice receive that also.

    And of course, there are all levels of hypocrisy in between.
    Where people CLAIM the path of Justice with Mercy yet invoke judgment on others,
    and wonder why they are treated the same.

    I am guessing that the people you condemn for promoting "tolerance for homosexuality"
    are the hypocrites who do not tolerate objections to their views.

    However, there are also Christians and Constitutionalists who tolerate BOTH the Views "for and against"
    gay marriage and tolerance for homosexuality etc. So these are NOT hypocrites.
    There is BOTH adherence to the laws, AND there is forgiveness for breaches.

    I believe there is both.

    Do you believe in both? Or do you really choose Retribution only?
    Which do you want for yourself and others equally?

    Because that is God's law.
    That which we forgive unto others is forgiven unto us.
    Where you and I hold others to account, we are held to account to the same degree, by our own words.

    The Golden Rule of Reciprocity is given in every religion as a universal truth.

    What Jesus gave us differently was the New Commandment in John 13:34
    that we love one another as HE loves us, which is God's UNCONDITIONAL love.

    So this goes a step beyond just loving our neighbors as ourselves.
    but to love one another with God's love, with divine grace and forgiveness offered freely without condition without being earned, not our own human love that is limited with
    biases and conditions.

    so you can choose

    you can choose retribution and conditional love and be under that as well

    or you can choose salvation through unconditional love and divine grace that
    not only heals and corrects past wrongs but prevents them from repeating

    either way, God's laws are fulfilled to the letter, you are right!

    You WILL get the justice you give
    either retributive
    or restorative.

    Given these two choices, I don't know any human being who doesn't want to be FREE under restorative justice. So this is why I believe in universal salvation, that eventually we all make the choice to be free from the cycles of suffering by retribution. You and me included.
    The human conscience is designed to seek peace and happiness over suffering and pain. So even by trial and error, even pure selfish desire, we will eventually choose the path to peace.

    If you believe the necessary corrections to fulfill God's laws can be made more effectively
    the "old way" by preaching condemnation and punishment, remember you are under the same.
    If you believe as I do that corrections and restitution to fulfill God's laws can be made with love
    under the "new way" of "restorative justice" then you are welcome to join the club.

    May God's loving grace and wisdom be upon you while you consider
    which path you want to preach and teach while these corrections are being made.
    God's laws are going to be fulfilled either way, so you can either suffer through it and make it hell on earth for yourself and others,
    or you can forgive and enjoy the process of mutual corrections and make it heaven on earth.
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    John 3:16-17
    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    Matthew 5:17
    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

    James 5:16
    Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed

    John 12:47
    And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
     
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    I think a wiser choice is to ignore idiots. They have a right to their stupidity. Interacting with them only emboldens them.
     
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    It's tough to have a sense of humor about Christianity. People take it way seriously .... thank god there are no cartoons (-:

    But one of the amusing recurrent themes of the new testament is Jesus as the Fool. The guy who wanders through society, seemingly breaking taboo after taboo, while illustrating other's sins of idolotry, greed, gluttony, selfishness, etc....
     
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    "Your interpretation sounds like more retribution!
    Do you really believe there is salvation in that?"

    Salvation? Why do you christers assume that everyone thinks or believes in someone to "save" you.

    "Please explain your views and how you think this will get humanity any closer to God. I think you have explained the path to hell, so what is your explanation of the path to heaven?"

    Closer to whose god? I am Assuming the christer god which is one of many a thousands of pagan man gods invented since the dawn of history

    You say the xtain left then dive right in like a fundy with heaven and hell nonsense
    Any Wonder we we Jews laugh at you morons , liberal conservative xtains, all the same idiotic nonsense



     
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    I just love it when you bottom feeding goyim quote your christer buy bull to me!! :laugh2::laugh2::cuckoo:
     

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    I'm sorry TP, since you cited interpretations of the Bible, I answered with the same.

    I am actually a Constitutionalist who believes Christ Jesus fulfills the natural laws
    as the spirit of Restorative Justice.

    So if you'd rather, we can discuss justice and truth in terms of Constitutional
    and natural laws and experiences. I was only using the Bible if that was your
    language, but if it isn't what you believe, we can use whatever you do believe in.

    OK?

    P.S. the Bible isn't my first language either.
    So if you thought I was speaking as someone brought up that way,
    I take it as a compliment that I sound like a native speaker when I'm not.
    I was brought up by Buddhist parents, and still believe in an end to all suffering.
    I believe that the spiritual process of forgiveness and healing that Christ Jesus
    represents in the Bible IS THE SAME process that Buddha foretold would
    happen for all humanity. The difference is that Buddha and Constitutional laws
    address the Gentiles under natural laws, and the Bible has the Scriptural
    laws for Jews/Christians/Muslim believers. So either way, both paths are
    fulfilled and the point is to bring peace or salvation from suffering for
    all humanity, and we are all interconnected in one spiritual process collectively.

    so you take your pick. whatever language you use, even secular
    which is how I was brought up and prefer anyway, is fine. we can
    still discuss the same issues and reach whatever conclusions we find we agree.

    OK?

    Thanks TP no harm or offense meant at all, sorry!

    Yours truly, Emily
     
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    Actually, not all Christians understand or bleieve in Universal Salvation as I do.
    so no, we are not the same, as I have never found any two people who are the same or had the same views.
    have you?

    As for salvation, since you don't get the Christian way of explaining it,
    the Buddhists explain it as enlightenment, of letting go of all false
    attachment to false desire, false perception/thinking/beliefs etc.
    and receiving clear undertanding and wisdom.

    Are you okay with that instead of calling it salvation?

    Both ways bring "salvation from suffering"

    What Jesus represents is the divine forgiveness that breaks the
    vicious cycle of retribution from the past repeating over and over.
    You can call this sin, suffering, karma, whatever
    that is carried from one generation to the next.

    By forgiveness, then we break free from the past.
    We detach as even Buddha taught as the way of peace
    to detach from material conditions on our minds that affect our whole world.

    So the reason Christians teach to pray in Jesus Name
    is that humans can only forgive so far, and then there are things
    we cannot forgive or have trouble forgiving. So at some point,
    like in the AA prayers, people recognize the need for higher help
    to forgive and let go. And that's what Jesus represents is
    God's divine intervention so the mind and spirit can
    "miraculously" forgive what our wills cannot. We can
    want to forgive and change, but cannot always do so on our own.

    So that is why people turn to Christ for salvation
    when this point comes in life of letting go
    and recieving forgivness on a higher level.

    It's when we reach a wall and cannot let go
    and find peace on our own.

    Everyone has a limit because we all have conditions
    and are not so perfect as God or Jesus to love everyone equally.
    We are going to have biases, favorites and people we refuse to deal with.
    So because we are not perfect in loving all people equally,
    at some point, we have to let go and let God's love flow through
    us in order to love all our neighbors which means to care for all souls.

    When everyone does this, then all the world has peace and salvation from suffering.
    Both the Buddhists and the Christians teach that this will happen.

    I believe the divine forgiveness and grace
    which Christ Jesus represents IS the
    part of the spiritual process where all humanity
    joins in receiving this and letting go so we are all set free spiritually.
    and then, together, we can also do al th work in the world
    to create heaven on earth physically so there is no more suffering
    that we can prevent.

    are you okay with that?
    or what do you believe is going on with people and the world?
    how do you describe the process going on?
     
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    Ic this is just a hate christians thread. Some people are just too shallow
     
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    I see it as, some people's wounds are so deep,
    they hide them behind these walls. using negativity
    to chase off anyone who would ask to look deeper.

    just too painful or fearful for some people not ready for change.
    too much trouble than it's worth.

    I realized a while back
    with everyone putting up walls, hey, I can run around
    completely free. and people already have barriers to keep
    distance between them and me, so why do I need to keep barriers.

    I found out people who judge others
    fear being judged so they do pre-emptive striikes
    rejecting others first

    there's also this weird game called barking the
    loudest to bully the other people down
    trying to be the top dog in the pecking order or pack

    sometimes people who bark the loudest
    are really the most insecure and using that to keep people out of their space
    who knows what deeper thoughts or ideas are kept closed in behind that facade
     
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    Restaurants Respond to Theatergoers' New Passion for Blood

    Restaurateurs throughout America are noticing that there is one thing their patrons crave more than anything after a matinee at Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ:" blood. "No Christian orders their steaks well done no more," remarked Trixie Turnstyle, waitress at Outback Steak House. "In fact, most folks ask us not to cook it all, so that all the blood from their prime rib can pool on the plate and be slurped up in an ecstatic frenzy while the rest of the table screams Jesus' name." Many restaurants are being asked to leave the skin on meats so that the diner can flail and lacerate the hide for 90-minutes with their steak knives.
    There is so much blood being splattered around Sizzler these days, the chain, popular with evangelicals, went through 1,134 lobster bibs yesterday without serving a single lobster. "We have really made a killing since we changed the name of the drink from Bloody Mary to Bloody Jesus!" squealed Dave Dial, bartender at a Marietta Georgia TGIFridays. "We now serve it with a nine-inch nail instead of a stick of celery. And offer two kinds: Type O (well brand) and Type A (premium). Folks are really getting off on letting it drip down the side of their mouths."

    Landover Baptist | Where the Worthwhile Worship. Unsaved Unwelcome.

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