We're Lowering Your Wages

[sealybobo]

What is wrong with people? Why are we arguing in favor of lower wages? Are we jealous that people working for the Big 3 make $30 hr? Don’t we realize that our wages are where they are because the Unions brought them up? And many of you don’t even realize that you’re lives are impacted by the Big 3’s success. Too many people are in favor of letting the Big 3 fail. That can only mean most of you don’t get it. Just like you don’t get that the bank bailout was just a bank robbery. Bush didn’t empty the treasury enough in 7 years. He had to steal $750 billion more.

Now is not the time to get tight with the dollar, or to get tough with corporate CEO’s. If you are going to do that, do that to the bankers. They only got about $250 billion of the $750 billion. Let’s loan the $50 billion the Big 3 want from the $750 billion. Let’s make the banks loan the Big 3 that money. All of our jobs are tied to the Big 3, whether we know it or not.

Why are we allowing Corporate America to send jobs overseas and ship the products back to sell to us? If we aren’t good enough to make the products, we shouldn’t buy the products. Not in every case, but Corporate America/The GOP went too far. Yes Clinton signed NAFTA but Bush/Delay/The GOP took it too far.

I just don’t get why people applaud Honda and Toyota for paying their employees $15 hr. Are any of you raising a family on $15 hr?

It is not a given that America will always have a strong/big middle class. Our government and tax system created the middle class we had from the 50’s to the 90’s. And Bushanomics is tearing us apart. If we keep doing what we are doing now, we’ll have a small rich class, small merchantile middle class, and a huge working poor population. That’s why our founding fathers left England.

Wait until the market is flooded with people who can do your jobs. How much do you think you will be worth then? All the people who are losing their jobs are going back to be retrained as nursing, engineer and IT Professional. GREAT! Now corporate America will be able to lower their worth next.

This is an assault on the middle class, and most of you don’t even know it yet.

BuckToothMoron

 

[sealybobo]

Boo freakin hoo. And have you seen products from China lately? Who makes a shitty product that will kill your kids and pets? Fucking brainwashed houseslave conservative.

Stellar argument bobo, pick a miniscule set of products and pretend in represents the whole. You are getting really good at that. Have looked at the side effects of some drugs made in the good old USA lately bobo. That argument doesn't fly.

Unfair competition is not good. Not for America.

What is unfair about it? Think about this like a sporting competetion like a football game. Your argument is basically that you are about equal with the opposing team. Except they have a much better running back than you do. So instead of figuring out how to compenesate for their advantage your solution is to make a rule that that player can't play because he better than your back. Absurd as that sounds to everyone here, that is exactly what you are proposing. If you want the team to get better you need to find a way to compensate for their advantage. Your brilliant solution is to piss and moan and say, no fair.

Do Republicans still agree with Bern80? Seems like 2016 Republicans don't sound like 2008 Republicans. Flip flop?

 

[sealybobo]

What is wrong with people? Why are we arguing in favor of lower wages? Are we jealous that people working for the Big 3 make $30 hr? Don’t we realize that our wages are where they are because the Unions brought them up? ....

Now is not the time to get tight with the dollar, .... All of our jobs are tied to the Big 3, whether we know it or not.

Why are we allowing Corporate America to send jobs overseas and ship the products back to sell to us?

This is an assault on the middle class, and most of you don’t even know it yet.

Bobo, you simply do not have a clue about the economy, do you? When the costs of production (especially labor) goes too high in this country, then for a business to survive, it has to produce product where the costs of production are lower. Any low IQ twit can understand that. If we want to build cars that can compete we have to lower costs of production. If we don't, then people won't buy our high priced cars. It is time to bust the UAW before the UAW busts us. The Big 3 need to go into Chapter 11 Bankruptcy so that a judge can throw out the labor agreements that make our cars so damned expensive. Once we throw out those high priced contracts at an average of three times what manual loborers should be making, we can build economical cars that are cost friendly to the consumer. If we don't, the auto industry will file for the "OTHER" bankruptcy and disappear from America. It may reappear in Mexico. Blame the UAW. They are criminals.

Perfect Republican response. In 2008 Republicans believed American workers were making 3 x what they should be making. So don't believe for a second Trump or the Republicans ever want to fix nafta or bring good paying jobs back. That's a joke.

So all the stupid poor white Americans voting Trump need to realize the GOP thinks you are worth about $10 hr.

So remember when Republicans cry that Clinton signed nafta. Dude, they love nafta.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. So don't believe for a second Trump or the Republicans ever want to fix nafta or bring good paying jobs back. That's a joke.

Trump says he wants fix it, Clinton says she doesn't. 1+1=2

 

[sealybobo]

The market decides the value of a job or service.

If the market dictates that a guy who installs 2 screws and a nut all day for 8 hours and gets 6 weeks paid time off a year isn't worth paying $1200 a week then the company who pays that guy 1200 a week will go out of business.

And that company should go out of business.

Do you really want the government using our tax dollars to prop up the pay of a bunch of assembly line monkeys? Hell MY money should be left in my pocket not given to the fucking auto companies that have been failing for years.

If you let these poorly run, profitless companies fail, you won't have to worry about CEO pay because they'll all be unemployed too, as they should be.

The government is basically forcing we the tax payers to buy worthless stocks. What would you do if you got a letter from Uncle Sam saying that you had to buy 2500 dollars worth of stock in Company X ,and you were subject to incarceration if you don't, even though that company hadn't posted a profit in 5 years?

What would you do if you got that letter?


Well WAKE UP because this is exactly what the government is doing but without the letter.

Trump promised the poorly educated he was going to bring back good jobs. He's lying. Must be because your attitude is pay em what they are worth and they're already getting that working at Walmart.

The blue collar who need help you know trump isn't going to help

 

[Correll]

The market decides the value of a job or service.

If the market dictates that a guy who installs 2 screws and a nut all day for 8 hours and gets 6 weeks paid time off a year isn't worth paying $1200 a week then the company who pays that guy 1200 a week will go out of business.

And that company should go out of business.

Do you really want the government using our tax dollars to prop up the pay of a bunch of assembly line monkeys? Hell MY money should be left in my pocket not given to the fucking auto companies that have been failing for years.

If you let these poorly run, profitless companies fail, you won't have to worry about CEO pay because they'll all be unemployed too, as they should be.

The government is basically forcing we the tax payers to buy worthless stocks. What would you do if you got a letter from Uncle Sam saying that you had to buy 2500 dollars worth of stock in Company X ,and you were subject to incarceration if you don't, even though that company hadn't posted a profit in 5 years?

What would you do if you got that letter?


Well WAKE UP because this is exactly what the government is doing but without the letter.

Trump promised the poorly educated he was going to bring back good jobs. He's lying. Must be because your attitude is pay em what they are worth and they're already getting that working at Walmart.

The blue collar who need help you know trump isn't going to help

You just witnessed Trump run and win on a message very similar to your of 2008.

So, why are you not celebrating and supporting your message?

 

[sealybobo]

The market decides the value of a job or service.

If the market dictates that a guy who installs 2 screws and a nut all day for 8 hours and gets 6 weeks paid time off a year isn't worth paying $1200 a week then the company who pays that guy 1200 a week will go out of business.

And that company should go out of business.

Do you really want the government using our tax dollars to prop up the pay of a bunch of assembly line monkeys? Hell MY money should be left in my pocket not given to the fucking auto companies that have been failing for years.

If you let these poorly run, profitless companies fail, you won't have to worry about CEO pay because they'll all be unemployed too, as they should be.

The government is basically forcing we the tax payers to buy worthless stocks. What would you do if you got a letter from Uncle Sam saying that you had to buy 2500 dollars worth of stock in Company X ,and you were subject to incarceration if you don't, even though that company hadn't posted a profit in 5 years?

What would you do if you got that letter?


Well WAKE UP because this is exactly what the government is doing but without the letter.

Trump promised the poorly educated he was going to bring back good jobs. He's lying. Must be because your attitude is pay em what they are worth and they're already getting that working at Walmart.

The blue collar who need help you know trump isn't going to help

You just witnessed Trump run and win on a message very similar to your of 2008.

So, why are you not celebrating and supporting your message?

Thank you for admitting my message has been right all along.

Because I don't believe trump or Republicans. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Correll]

The market decides the value of a job or service.

If the market dictates that a guy who installs 2 screws and a nut all day for 8 hours and gets 6 weeks paid time off a year isn't worth paying $1200 a week then the company who pays that guy 1200 a week will go out of business.

And that company should go out of business.

Do you really want the government using our tax dollars to prop up the pay of a bunch of assembly line monkeys? Hell MY money should be left in my pocket not given to the fucking auto companies that have been failing for years.

If you let these poorly run, profitless companies fail, you won't have to worry about CEO pay because they'll all be unemployed too, as they should be.

The government is basically forcing we the tax payers to buy worthless stocks. What would you do if you got a letter from Uncle Sam saying that you had to buy 2500 dollars worth of stock in Company X ,and you were subject to incarceration if you don't, even though that company hadn't posted a profit in 5 years?

What would you do if you got that letter?


Well WAKE UP because this is exactly what the government is doing but without the letter.

Trump promised the poorly educated he was going to bring back good jobs. He's lying. Must be because your attitude is pay em what they are worth and they're already getting that working at Walmart.

The blue collar who need help you know trump isn't going to help

You just witnessed Trump run and win on a message very similar to your of 2008.

So, why are you not celebrating and supporting your message?

Thank you for admitting my message has been right all along.

Because I don't believe trump or Republicans. I'll believe it when I see it.

I will hold you to that.

 

[Mr Natural]

"Prosperity Through Lower Wages!"

 

[Old Rocks]

I think that the problem people have with $30 per hour salaries has nothing to do with jealousy, nothing to do with wanting people to have trouble raising their families...and everything to do with whether or not that salary is economically feasible given the fact that people, by and large, do not seem to want to buy the $30 per hour employees cars as much as they want the $15 per hour employees car.

If a business is losing money because people don't want their product AND they are continuing to pay their employees double what other companies are paying...they are going to have trouble. And giving them more money so that they can continue to pay their employees double what other companies are paying and making products that the people don't want isn't going to solve the problem...its just going to delay the next time the company comes begging for money to save its employees.

But that is not the case. What is the case is that the productivity of the American Worker has gone up steadily for years, even as he has seen his wages stagnate. Only those in the crafts have enjoyed increases in wages comparable to the increases in productivity. That is because there is a serious shortage of craftsmen, getting more serious every year as the industries continue to automate.

 

[Wyatt earp]

What is wrong with people? Why are we arguing in favor of lower wages? Are we jealous that people working for the Big 3 make $30 hr? Don’t we realize that our wages are where they are because the Unions brought them up? And many of you don’t even realize that you’re lives are impacted by the Big 3’s success. Too many people are in favor of letting the Big 3 fail. That can only mean most of you don’t get it. Just like you don’t get that the bank bailout was just a bank robbery. Bush didn’t empty the treasury enough in 7 years. He had to steal $750 billion more.

Now is not the time to get tight with the dollar, or to get tough with corporate CEO’s. If you are going to do that, do that to the bankers. They only got about $250 billion of the $750 billion. Let’s loan the $50 billion the Big 3 want from the $750 billion. Let’s make the banks loan the Big 3 that money. All of our jobs are tied to the Big 3, whether we know it or not.

Why are we allowing Corporate America to send jobs overseas and ship the products back to sell to us? If we aren’t good enough to make the products, we shouldn’t buy the products. Not in every case, but Corporate America/The GOP went too far. Yes Clinton signed NAFTA but Bush/Delay/The GOP took it too far.

I just don’t get why people applaud Honda and Toyota for paying their employees $15 hr. Are any of you raising a family on $15 hr?

It is not a given that America will always have a strong/big middle class. Our government and tax system created the middle class we had from the 50’s to the 90’s. And Bushanomics is tearing us apart. If we keep doing what we are doing now, we’ll have a small rich class, small merchantile middle class, and a huge working poor population. That’s why our founding fathers left England.

Wait until the market is flooded with people who can do your jobs. How much do you think you will be worth then? All the people who are losing their jobs are going back to be retrained as nursing, engineer and IT Professional. GREAT! Now corporate America will be able to lower their worth next.

This is an assault on the middle class, and most of you don’t even know it yet.

Why are we allowing Corporate America to send jobs overseas and ship the products back to sell to us


It's funny how the left use to say jobs being sent overseas when Obama was president, But now that Trump is President it's non stop automation parroting the left...



So which is it?


You guys and your spin, talking points are an embarrassment to the political forums.

 

[sealybobo]

What is wrong with people? Why are we arguing in favor of lower wages? Are we jealous that people working for the Big 3 make $30 hr? Don’t we realize that our wages are where they are because the Unions brought them up? And many of you don’t even realize that you’re lives are impacted by the Big 3’s success. Too many people are in favor of letting the Big 3 fail. That can only mean most of you don’t get it. Just like you don’t get that the bank bailout was just a bank robbery. Bush didn’t empty the treasury enough in 7 years. He had to steal $750 billion more.

Now is not the time to get tight with the dollar, or to get tough with corporate CEO’s. If you are going to do that, do that to the bankers. They only got about $250 billion of the $750 billion. Let’s loan the $50 billion the Big 3 want from the $750 billion. Let’s make the banks loan the Big 3 that money. All of our jobs are tied to the Big 3, whether we know it or not.

Why are we allowing Corporate America to send jobs overseas and ship the products back to sell to us? If we aren’t good enough to make the products, we shouldn’t buy the products. Not in every case, but Corporate America/The GOP went too far. Yes Clinton signed NAFTA but Bush/Delay/The GOP took it too far.

I just don’t get why people applaud Honda and Toyota for paying their employees $15 hr. Are any of you raising a family on $15 hr?

It is not a given that America will always have a strong/big middle class. Our government and tax system created the middle class we had from the 50’s to the 90’s. And Bushanomics is tearing us apart. If we keep doing what we are doing now, we’ll have a small rich class, small merchantile middle class, and a huge working poor population. That’s why our founding fathers left England.

Wait until the market is flooded with people who can do your jobs. How much do you think you will be worth then? All the people who are losing their jobs are going back to be retrained as nursing, engineer and IT Professional. GREAT! Now corporate America will be able to lower their worth next.

This is an assault on the middle class, and most of you don’t even know it yet.

Why are we allowing Corporate America to send jobs overseas and ship the products back to sell to us


It's funny how the left use to say jobs being sent overseas when Obama was president, But now that Trump is President it's non stop automation parroting the left...



So which is it?


You guys and your spin, talking points are an embarrassment to the political forums.

Correction, it was during Bush's time 700,000 jobs a month were leaving.

And it was you guys who flip flopped. Trump won cause he told some truth

 

[Skull Pilot]

The market decides the value of a job or service.

If the market dictates that a guy who installs 2 screws and a nut all day for 8 hours and gets 6 weeks paid time off a year isn't worth paying $1200 a week then the company who pays that guy 1200 a week will go out of business.

And that company should go out of business.

Do you really want the government using our tax dollars to prop up the pay of a bunch of assembly line monkeys? Hell MY money should be left in my pocket not given to the fucking auto companies that have been failing for years.

If you let these poorly run, profitless companies fail, you won't have to worry about CEO pay because they'll all be unemployed too, as they should be.

The government is basically forcing we the tax payers to buy worthless stocks. What would you do if you got a letter from Uncle Sam saying that you had to buy 2500 dollars worth of stock in Company X ,and you were subject to incarceration if you don't, even though that company hadn't posted a profit in 5 years?

What would you do if you got that letter?


Well WAKE UP because this is exactly what the government is doing but without the letter.

Trump promised the poorly educated he was going to bring back good jobs. He's lying. Must be because your attitude is pay em what they are worth and they're already getting that working at Walmart.

The blue collar who need help you know trump isn't going to help

the problem they are waiting for someone to help them instead of helping themselves

 

[sealybobo]

The market decides the value of a job or service.

If the market dictates that a guy who installs 2 screws and a nut all day for 8 hours and gets 6 weeks paid time off a year isn't worth paying $1200 a week then the company who pays that guy 1200 a week will go out of business.

And that company should go out of business.

Do you really want the government using our tax dollars to prop up the pay of a bunch of assembly line monkeys? Hell MY money should be left in my pocket not given to the fucking auto companies that have been failing for years.

If you let these poorly run, profitless companies fail, you won't have to worry about CEO pay because they'll all be unemployed too, as they should be.

The government is basically forcing we the tax payers to buy worthless stocks. What would you do if you got a letter from Uncle Sam saying that you had to buy 2500 dollars worth of stock in Company X ,and you were subject to incarceration if you don't, even though that company hadn't posted a profit in 5 years?

What would you do if you got that letter?


Well WAKE UP because this is exactly what the government is doing but without the letter.

Trump promised the poorly educated he was going to bring back good jobs. He's lying. Must be because your attitude is pay em what they are worth and they're already getting that working at Walmart.

The blue collar who need help you know trump isn't going to help

the problem they are waiting for someone to help them instead of helping themselves

Wasn't that true last year? Then why blame Obama. Trump said he would do something for these people. Now you're admitting

 

[Skull Pilot]

The market decides the value of a job or service.

If the market dictates that a guy who installs 2 screws and a nut all day for 8 hours and gets 6 weeks paid time off a year isn't worth paying $1200 a week then the company who pays that guy 1200 a week will go out of business.

And that company should go out of business.

Do you really want the government using our tax dollars to prop up the pay of a bunch of assembly line monkeys? Hell MY money should be left in my pocket not given to the fucking auto companies that have been failing for years.

If you let these poorly run, profitless companies fail, you won't have to worry about CEO pay because they'll all be unemployed too, as they should be.

The government is basically forcing we the tax payers to buy worthless stocks. What would you do if you got a letter from Uncle Sam saying that you had to buy 2500 dollars worth of stock in Company X ,and you were subject to incarceration if you don't, even though that company hadn't posted a profit in 5 years?

What would you do if you got that letter?


Well WAKE UP because this is exactly what the government is doing but without the letter.

Trump promised the poorly educated he was going to bring back good jobs. He's lying. Must be because your attitude is pay em what they are worth and they're already getting that working at Walmart.

The blue collar who need help you know trump isn't going to help

the problem they are waiting for someone to help them instead of helping themselves

Wasn't that true last year? Then why blame Obama. Trump said he would do something for these people. Now you're admitting

where did I blame Obama for anything?

 

[Correll]

I think that the problem people have with $30 per hour salaries has nothing to do with jealousy, nothing to do with wanting people to have trouble raising their families...and everything to do with whether or not that salary is economically feasible given the fact that people, by and large, do not seem to want to buy the $30 per hour employees cars as much as they want the $15 per hour employees car.

If a business is losing money because people don't want their product AND they are continuing to pay their employees double what other companies are paying...they are going to have trouble. And giving them more money so that they can continue to pay their employees double what other companies are paying and making products that the people don't want isn't going to solve the problem...its just going to delay the next time the company comes begging for money to save its employees.

But that is not the case. What is the case is that the productivity of the American Worker has gone up steadily for years, even as he has seen his wages stagnate. Only those in the crafts have enjoyed increases in wages comparable to the increases in productivity. That is because there is a serious shortage of craftsmen, getting more serious every year as the industries continue to automate.

"That is because there is a serious shortage of craftsmen, getting more serious every year as the industries continue to automate, the labor market was flooded with immigrants, vast portions of manufacturing were outsourced, and imports rose dramatically."


Fixed it for you.

 

[Mr Natural]

the problem they are waiting for someone to help them instead of helping themselves

If they're sitting around waiting for any president to help them, then they're going to waiting for a long, long time.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Why are we allowing Corporate America to send jobs overseas and ship the products back to sell to us

why would anybody say corporate America is sending jobs overseas when clearly it is liberal policies that are doing that??

 

[sealybobo]

What is wrong with people? Why are we arguing in favor of lower wages? Are we jealous that people working for the Big 3 make $30 hr? Don’t we realize that our wages are where they are because the Unions brought them up? And many of you don’t even realize that you’re lives are impacted by the Big 3’s success. Too many people are in favor of letting the Big 3 fail. That can only mean most of you don’t get it. Just like you don’t get that the bank bailout was just a bank robbery. Bush didn’t empty the treasury enough in 7 years. He had to steal $750 billion more.

Now is not the time to get tight with the dollar, or to get tough with corporate CEO’s. If you are going to do that, do that to the bankers. They only got about $250 billion of the $750 billion. Let’s loan the $50 billion the Big 3 want from the $750 billion. Let’s make the banks loan the Big 3 that money. All of our jobs are tied to the Big 3, whether we know it or not.

Why are we allowing Corporate America to send jobs overseas and ship the products back to sell to us? If we aren’t good enough to make the products, we shouldn’t buy the products. Not in every case, but Corporate America/The GOP went too far. Yes Clinton signed NAFTA but Bush/Delay/The GOP took it too far.

I just don’t get why people applaud Honda and Toyota for paying their employees $15 hr. Are any of you raising a family on $15 hr?

It is not a given that America will always have a strong/big middle class. Our government and tax system created the middle class we had from the 50’s to the 90’s. And Bushanomics is tearing us apart. If we keep doing what we are doing now, we’ll have a small rich class, small merchantile middle class, and a huge working poor population. That’s why our founding fathers left England.

Wait until the market is flooded with people who can do your jobs. How much do you think you will be worth then? All the people who are losing their jobs are going back to be retrained as nursing, engineer and IT Professional. GREAT! Now corporate America will be able to lower their worth next.

This is an assault on the middle class, and most of you don’t even know it yet.

Why are we allowing Corporate America to send jobs overseas and ship the products back to sell to us


It's funny how the left use to say jobs being sent overseas when Obama was president, But now that Trump is President it's non stop automation parroting the left...

So which is it?

You guys and your spin, talking points are an embarrassment to the political forums.

I don't think that's us. I think that's Republicans making excuses. Now that they are in charge they are being honest that a lot of blue collar jobs are gone because a robot is doing that job now.

You guys are in charge. We have no reason to make any excuses now. We aren't in charge. But I'm sure when your way goes wrong you'll find a way to blame it on us, even though you've been in charge now 100 days and Obama handed you a fine economy. Just fine. If not, what has Trump done to change what was wrong just 5 months ago? Nothing. Maybe the stock market is up because of all the bombs he's dropping. We know the stock market loves a war.

I consistently point out right wing spin.

And fact is Trump aint stopping any company from sending jobs overseas. He says he wants the power to selectively re negotiate bad trade deals. That's cool. Listen, I don't completely hate Trump. There are about 5 things already I see why he's better than Bush ever was. But then there are 5 ways he's worse too. Like ruining our relationships with our allies and starting another cold war with Russia or possibly Trump might make the same mistake in North Korea or Iran or Syria that Bush made in Iraq.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Obama handed you a fine economy.

if you call earning less than you did before Obama took office, fine!!