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1,597 + 32 + 1,629 stoners who have been sucking up taxpayers money. Now they ain't.
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1,597 + 32 + 1,629 stoners who have been sucking up taxpayers money. Now they ain't.
What is a drug test going to prove? and why is it relevant to receiving welfare? If you're on drugs your kids dont have hunger?
How about if you are spending money on drugs that should be spent on food and clothes.
And if you have kids what does it say about you. I remember one couple that would rather by coke than spend money for diapers for their baby. Are you ok with that?
If you want to do drugs go ahead. Just pay for them with your own money.
Does being poor in America enough to provide the government with "reasonable cause" under the Constitution for mandatory drug testing?
Does being poor in America enough to provide the government with "reasonable cause" under the Constitution for mandatory drug testing?
No, being poor is not "reasonable cause" for mandatory drug testing.
Neither is applying for welfare mandatory.
Both are voluntary.
it is an invasion of privacy....and as someone who does not do drugs, I would still not take the test....on principle alone....and hopefully win my case in court. Innocent people should not be forced to do this....under any circumstances in my book.Nearly 1,600 Fla. welfare applicants decline to take drug test, fueling debate over new law
Not sure how I feel about this.
are they doing alcohol testing, too?
either way... are you going to starve people for smoking a joint? pure harassment, imo.
Pure harassment? lol nobody is forcing them to take the hand out... to call this harassment is either not knowing what harassment is or just straight diluted thinking
Anyways this is ultimately futile because most people who take drugs know how to get around the test. Well at least the smart ones and the ones able to play the system.
And I'm not sure of your point about alcohol? Do you want them to test for that or not?
Does being poor in America enough to provide the government with "reasonable cause" under the Constitution for mandatory drug testing?
No, being poor is not "reasonable cause" for mandatory drug testing.
Neither is applying for welfare mandatory.
Both are voluntary.
If you are assaulted, there is no mandate that you report the crime to the police. It's a voluntary act. Should the police start mandating drug tests to ensure that you are sober, and thus giving an accurate reporting?
If you are assaulted, there is no mandate that you report the crime to the police. It's a voluntary act. Should the police start mandating drug tests to ensure that you are sober, and thus giving an accurate reporting?
Does being poor in America enough to provide the government with "reasonable cause" under the Constitution for mandatory drug testing?
No, being poor is not "reasonable cause" for mandatory drug testing.
Neither is applying for welfare mandatory.
Both are voluntary.
If you are assaulted, there is no mandate that you report the crime to the police. It's a voluntary act. Should the police start mandating drug tests to ensure that you are sober, and thus giving an accurate reporting?
What is a drug test going to prove? and why is it relevant to receiving welfare? If you're on drugs your kids dont have hunger?
How about if you are spending money on drugs that should be spent on food and clothes.
And if you have kids what does it say about you. I remember one couple that would rather by coke than spend money for diapers for their baby. Are you ok with that?
If you want to do drugs go ahead. Just pay for them with your own money.
it is an invasion of privacy....and as someone who does not do drugs, I would still not take the test....on principle alone....and hopefully win my case in court. Innocent people should not be forced to do this....under any circumstances in my book.are they doing alcohol testing, too?
either way... are you going to starve people for smoking a joint? pure harassment, imo.
Pure harassment? lol nobody is forcing them to take the hand out... to call this harassment is either not knowing what harassment is or just straight diluted thinking
Anyways this is ultimately futile because most people who take drugs know how to get around the test. Well at least the smart ones and the ones able to play the system.
And I'm not sure of your point about alcohol? Do you want them to test for that or not?
Well if they aren't taking the drug test that must mean they have money to buy drugs. Just a guess.
That would be a pretty stupid test. As said already, the test costs money which many applicants may not have, not to mention accessibility problems. But why should we bother to take all factors into consideration? We're more interested in selectively using only those factors that give easy answers to our simplistic political demands.
What is a drug test going to prove? and why is it relevant to receiving welfare? If you're on drugs your kids dont have hunger?
How about if you are spending money on drugs that should be spent on food and clothes.
And if you have kids what does it say about you. I remember one couple that would rather by coke than spend money for diapers for their baby. Are you ok with that?
If you want to do drugs go ahead. Just pay for them with your own money.
I dont get it, drugs arent paid for with WIC checks and food stamps. Money pays for it.
Even if a couple is a drug user and spends all their money on drugs, what does that have to do with their child?
it is an invasion of privacy....and as someone who does not do drugs, I would still not take the test....on principle alone....and hopefully win my case in court. Innocent people should not be forced to do this....under any circumstances in my book.Pure harassment? lol nobody is forcing them to take the hand out... to call this harassment is either not knowing what harassment is or just straight diluted thinking
Anyways this is ultimately futile because most people who take drugs know how to get around the test. Well at least the smart ones and the ones able to play the system.
And I'm not sure of your point about alcohol? Do you want them to test for that or not?
it is commonplace in the working world...as it is a necessity for the safety of co-workers.
Do you not see the upside for the user in this case? It may prompt the user to seek help.
And it will eliminate the taxpayer from being the enabler of the habit.
It seems to be a win win for all....except the ones that WANT to use and WANT the taxpayer to pay for it.
What is a drug test going to prove? and why is it relevant to receiving welfare? If you're on drugs your kids dont have hunger?
How about if you are spending money on drugs that should be spent on food and clothes.
And if you have kids what does it say about you. I remember one couple that would rather by coke than spend money for diapers for their baby. Are you ok with that?
If you want to do drugs go ahead. Just pay for them with your own money.
I dont get it, drugs arent paid for with WIC checks and food stamps. Money pays for it.
Even if a couple is a drug user and spends all their money on drugs, what does that have to do with their child?
What is a drug test going to prove? and why is it relevant to receiving welfare? If you're on drugs your kids dont have hunger?
How about if you are spending money on drugs that should be spent on food and clothes.
And if you have kids what does it say about you. I remember one couple that would rather by coke than spend money for diapers for their baby. Are you ok with that?
If you want to do drugs go ahead. Just pay for them with your own money.
I dont get it, drugs arent paid for with WIC checks and food stamps. Money pays for it.
Even if a couple is a drug user and spends all their money on drugs, what does that have to do with their child?
Nearly 1,600 Fla. welfare applicants decline to take drug test, fueling debate over new law
MIAMI State figures show that hundreds of welfare applicants in Florida have declined to take drug tests that have been required for the assistance since mid-July.
Thirty-two applicants failed the test, 7,028 passed and 1,597 didnt take it, according figures released Tuesday the Department of Children and Families. People who decline to take the test arent required to explain.
Proponents of the law have suggested applicants would be deterred because they knew they would test positive. Critics say applicants may not have taken the test because they couldnt afford the fee that can be as much as $35 or didnt have easy access to a testing facility.
Not sure how I feel about this.
1,597 + 32 + 1,629 stoners who have been sucking up taxpayers money. Now they ain't.
This is good.
welll...in an effort to compare apples to apples..
If your NOT reporting the crime cost the government (taxpayer) money, then I can certainly see someone making an argument for what you say...yes.
Furthermore, you are ignoring the one thing that makes this law "for the good" of the recipient....
No drug test means that a drug user could use the money to purchase drugs...in essence, the taxpayer is enabling a drug habit.
Stopping the welfare will give the drug user more "impetus" to seek help...
SO I think it is best you look past the ideological views...and look at the pros of such a law.
How about if you are spending money on drugs that should be spent on food and clothes.
And if you have kids what does it say about you. I remember one couple that would rather by coke than spend money for diapers for their baby. Are you ok with that?
If you want to do drugs go ahead. Just pay for them with your own money.
I dont get it, drugs arent paid for with WIC checks and food stamps. Money pays for it.
Even if a couple is a drug user and spends all their money on drugs, what does that have to do with their child?
Why is it liberals always think it's the job of the taxpayer to raise their children? If you want to take drugs and not be responsible for feeding your children then don't fucking have children.