We need to stop pretending that this issue is so difficult. It is obvious even to a young child.

[rylah]

Didn't they ever teach you that a round peg won't fit in square hole.

That's exactly what You try to do here - fit 3500 years of distinct culture and a people into modern European terms (that the westerners themselves can't agree upon).
It's just much more than what You can fit into one word - a tribe, a nation, a culture, a land and the religion.

By the way here's a new term for You - ETHNIC religions. Why don't You check the list?

Yeah, yeah. You are such a fool.

"Hitler and other Nazi leaders viewed the Jews not as a religious group, but as a poisonous "race," which "lived off" the other races and weakened them. After Hitler took power, Nazi teachers in school classrooms began to apply the "principles" of racial science. They measured skull size and nose length, and recorded the color of their pupils' hair and eyes to determine whether students belonged to the true "Aryan race." Jewish and Romani (Gypsy) students were often humiliated in the process."

Nazi Racism

And this is exactly what YOU do, with Your fixation on blood purity, race and skin color of Jews.

This is You claiming that Jews don't deserve rights as a nation and a people, because Hitler was fixated on defining them as a sub-human race. This is using Nazi ideology TWICE - first to cleanse Jews from Europe then from Judea-Samaria.

Tell me do Slovak's deserve no rights to define themselves as a people and a nation because Nazis considered Slavs as subhuman too?

*BTW their religion is called "Pravo-Slavana Сirkev" ...using Your logic they're merely a religion too.

 

[rylah]

Those claiming Judaism is "only" a religion and not a culture need to provide an objective list of criteria which clearly defines each.

This is spot on.
I'm just waiting to see what happens when they realize that the one is among the criterias of another.
Don't You think that western democracy is a no-less religious concept, with its' rituals and divine morals of "Justice, liberty and equality before G-d"? How about punishment for civic "sins" against the just law (and neighbors) brought up by the nation's forefathers?

I mean,Jewish culture and law have covered everything that the modern political systems deal with today. Aren't religious institutions and govt. similar in most ways?

 

[Linkiloo]

Do you have people like this reading to little kids in the US, arguing propaganda with children outside of the school syllabus? He needs to be fired if he is being paid for this. I wouldn't want a creepy old guy trying to indoctrinate my kids with his views.

 

[montelatici]

Didn't they ever teach you that a round peg won't fit in square hole.

That's exactly what You try to do here - fit 3500 years of distinct culture and a people into modern European terms (that the westerners themselves can't agree upon).
It's just much more than what You can fit into one word - a tribe, a nation, a culture, a land and the religion.

By the way here's a new term for You - ETHNIC religions. Why don't You check the list?

Yeah, yeah. You are such a fool.

"Hitler and other Nazi leaders viewed the Jews not as a religious group, but as a poisonous "race," which "lived off" the other races and weakened them. After Hitler took power, Nazi teachers in school classrooms began to apply the "principles" of racial science. They measured skull size and nose length, and recorded the color of their pupils' hair and eyes to determine whether students belonged to the true "Aryan race." Jewish and Romani (Gypsy) students were often humiliated in the process."

Nazi Racism

And this is exactly what YOU do, with Your fixation on blood purity, race and skin color of Jews.

This is You claiming that Jews don't deserve rights as a nation and a people, because Hitler was fixated on defining them as a sub-human race. This is using Nazi ideology TWICE - first to cleanse Jews from Europe then from Judea-Samaria.

Tell me do Slovak's deserve no rights to define themselves as a people and a nation because Nazis considered Slavs as subhuman too?

*BTW their religion is called "Pravo-Slavana Сirkev" ...using Your logic they're merely a religion too.

Stating the simple fact that Judaism is a religion and that European Jews are Europeans has nothing to do with blood purity. Further asserting the fact that these Europeans had no right to invade a inhabited territory on another continent through the force of British arms; and colonize said territory while evicting the native population has nothing to do racial superiority or inferiority. It's just a fact.

Like you, Hitler did not view as a religious group. Like you, he viewed them as a people or a race that could not be loyal to Germany. Jews of the day rejected the idea that they were a separate race and believed that they were just as German as Germans of other religions.


The Slovaks were native to and were living in Slovakia, they didn't colonize a territory nor evict the native people.

You just don't get it do you.

 

[rylah]

Don't worry, I clearly see Your game.
You use terms with the Nazi interpretation, without understanding what they originally meant.

Look it's not Babylon, there ARE other languages than English.
And while You westerners are struggling because You invent 10 new English words for the same thing, and then change their meaning...non-Western cultures have those terms already set in stone for thousands of years.

Like "עם ישראל" - nation of Israel
"שבט יהודה" - tribe of Judah
"יהודי" - member of the tribe of Judah.
"יהודה" - the land of the tribe of Judah
"שפה יהודית"- Jewish language.


But lets's go on with that interpretation as You used:

as a people or a race

So Germans who are a nation and a people, with their culture -claim to be a separate "German race"?
Do English people/Brits claim to be a separate race, or are they simply a religion because they call it "church of England"?
Are Russians claiming to be race because they have their culture, history, land and a state named after them (Russian federation) and a church bearing their name "Russka pravo-Slavna"?

BTW Jews in Europe are as much "native Europeans" as Kurds or Japanese people are native to Germany.
As much as there's a reason to why Italian American, is not really a "Native American". They're just people with a different culture and ethnicity...doesn't make them a separate race either.
Twisted Nazi terminology, Western nationalism, eating spaghetti or celebrating the 4th of July don't magically erase those people's ethnic identities and cultures.

I think it's called freedom.

 

[Roudy]

Really? And all music comes from the basis of the pentatonic scale, used by Africans, Chinese, Japanese and even Russians. So I guess there's no Italian music really...

I'd like to see Your structural analysis of what makes a Neapolitan chorus, versus a German chorus and a Russian one. Please refer to harmony, typical motifs and articulation.
Please pay attention to 1/2 steps and alterations of 3rd's.
Then we can proceed to examination of Russian orchestral pieces with Jewish motifs versus Russian motifs.

But let's make it simpler for You. European music is still stuck with the 7/12 system,98% of what You hear on a western radio is basically 1 Major scale and it's minor relative. Your threshold is Harmonic minor, this is where You start feeling "not home" or "exotic eastern".
On the other hand, the most of traditional Jewish music starts with Harmonic minor, and goes further beyond into the south-east, using a distinctive pattern of repetition and articulation that goes well along with Hebrew.

The most sophisticated European music, although very pleasant is actually really limited and primitive.
But take the simplest Jewish traditional song like "Hava Nagila", in its' traditional Ashkenazi version-
You START with a motif in Harmonic minor (5th mode!) and have a couple of modulations in the middle.And all that in a 2:30 song.

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Now were You talking about the norther Italians who are more like Germans or their southern brothers who're much more Mediterranean? Because You know if we dig into Italian culture we'll see a lot that is not only "theirs".
Or are You saying Italian capital is Jerusalem?

LOL. How about listening to Italian opera like Lodovico Rocca's opera Il Dibuk or Alberto Franchetti's Cristoforo Colombo or Germania. Among many other musical works by Jewish Italians before writing revisionist nonsense that you copy and paste. It's Italian music, nothing Middle Eastern about it.

How about a serious response?
Sometimes it's ok to admit You don't know, it's sign of sanity.
I actually didn't have to copy paste anything, because it's my daily language, and I didn't even start talking about the 1/4 steps and the phrasing patterns, which are rarely found in the traditions of the West if at all, that are all over Jewish music..

But sure for deaf people this traditional song of the Jewish community in Italy, might sound like Figaro:

How about a serious response instead of posting self-adulating BS. Italian Jews are Italians that practice Judaism, just as American Jews are Americans that practice Judaism. It's a religion, stupid.

No, You don't even understand the terms at hand.
Religion, in the sense that You use it, is a modern western construct.
Western nationalism is a modern concept as well.
And btw I can easily turn any nation or govt. system into a religion using those terms. They all have rituals and terms like "justice" and "G-d".

Then again, if You wanna go that route, You just solved the problem for immigrant Arabs who want to call themselves "Palestinian" in America, Qatar, Italy and Germany.

You don't understand anything. Palestinian is an ethnic group. They can be of any religion. Jew is not an ethnic group, it is a person that practices Judaism. An Inuit can be a Jew, or a Christian or a Muslim. Judaism is a religion stupid, stop trying to make it more than it is.

Palestinians are an ath if group?! Ha ha ha. Yeah, and ethnic group no different than their neighboring Arabs in any way shape or form. Actually, they ARE them.

 

[Roudy]

Didn't they ever teach you that a round peg won't fit in square hole.

That's exactly what You try to do here - fit 3500 years of distinct culture and a people into modern European terms (that the westerners themselves can't agree upon).
It's just much more than what You can fit into one word - a tribe, a nation, a culture, a land and the religion.

By the way here's a new term for You - ETHNIC religions. Why don't You check the list?

Yeah, yeah. You are such a fool.

"Hitler and other Nazi leaders viewed the Jews not as a religious group, but as a poisonous "race," which "lived off" the other races and weakened them. After Hitler took power, Nazi teachers in school classrooms began to apply the "principles" of racial science. They measured skull size and nose length, and recorded the color of their pupils' hair and eyes to determine whether students belonged to the true "Aryan race." Jewish and Romani (Gypsy) students were often humiliated in the process."

Nazi Racism

And this is exactly what YOU do, with Your fixation on blood purity, race and skin color of Jews.

This is You claiming that Jews don't deserve rights as a nation and a people, because Hitler was fixated on defining them as a sub-human race. This is using Nazi ideology TWICE - first to cleanse Jews from Europe then from Judea-Samaria.

Tell me do Slovak's deserve no rights to define themselves as a people and a nation because Nazis considered Slavs as subhuman too?

*BTW their religion is called "Pravo-Slavana Сirkev" ...using Your logic they're merely a religion too.

Stating the simple fact that Judaism is a religion and that European Jews are Europeans has nothing to do with blood purity. Further asserting the fact that these Europeans had no right to invade a inhabited territory on another continent through the force of British arms; and colonize said territory while evicting the native population has nothing to do racial superiority or inferiority. It's just a fact.

Like you, Hitler did not view as a religious group. Like you, he viewed them as a people or a race that could not be loyal to Germany. Jews of the day rejected the idea that they were a separate race and believed that they were just as German as Germans of other religions.


The Slovaks were native to and were living in Slovakia, they didn't colonize a territory nor evict the native people.

You just don't get it do you.

What does this "blood purity" mean anyhow?

Israel is the ancient religious and spiritual homeland of the Jews and they have every right to establish a state on this land. Jews from all over the world, converts, and levels of purity have a right to be in this land. "Italy" is not the Jewish holy land, dufus, ISRAEL is.

 

[Roudy]

Didn't they ever teach you that a round peg won't fit in square hole.

That's exactly what You try to do here - fit 3500 years of distinct culture and a people into modern European terms (that the westerners themselves can't agree upon).
It's just much more than what You can fit into one word - a tribe, a nation, a culture, a land and the religion.

By the way here's a new term for You - ETHNIC religions. Why don't You check the list?

Yeah, yeah. You are such a fool.

"Hitler and other Nazi leaders viewed the Jews not as a religious group, but as a poisonous "race," which "lived off" the other races and weakened them. After Hitler took power, Nazi teachers in school classrooms began to apply the "principles" of racial science. They measured skull size and nose length, and recorded the color of their pupils' hair and eyes to determine whether students belonged to the true "Aryan race." Jewish and Romani (Gypsy) students were often humiliated in the process."

Nazi Racism

And this is exactly what YOU do, with Your fixation on blood purity, race and skin color of Jews.

This is You claiming that Jews don't deserve rights as a nation and a people, because Hitler was fixated on defining them as a sub-human race. This is using Nazi ideology TWICE - first to cleanse Jews from Europe then from Judea-Samaria.

Tell me do Slovak's deserve no rights to define themselves as a people and a nation because Nazis considered Slavs as subhuman too?

*BTW their religion is called "Pravo-Slavana Сirkev" ...using Your logic they're merely a religion too.

They use several angles, all massive failures, to discredit the Jewish state and the Jewish people. This is one of them. They skip from "its stolen land" to "apartheid" to "fake Jews" to "DNA / blood purity" to a variety of antisemtic canards like "Jewish control" etc... depending on what the time of day or week is. This is all they have, which is nothing, and they keep repeating it like robots.

 

[montelatici]

It is stolen land. It was stolen from the native inhabitants by the European colonists. And, Israel is an Apartheid state. And, the European colonists were Europeans. Just facts that can't be denied.

 

[Hollie]

It is stolen land. It was stolen from the native inhabitants by the European colonists. And, Israel is an Apartheid state. And, the European colonists were Europeans. Just facts that can't be denied.

I think we can agree that the European xtian Crusaders were colonists.

Just fact you have difficulty confronting.

 

[Roudy]

It is stolen land. It was stolen from the native inhabitants by the European colonists. And, Israel is an Apartheid state. And, the European colonists were Europeans. Just facts that can't be denied.

When all else fails, divert to the usual bullshit about "stolen land" etc. wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[montelatici]

It is stolen land. It was stolen from the native inhabitants by the European colonists. And, Israel is an Apartheid state. And, the European colonists were Europeans. Just facts that can't be denied.

When all else fails, divert to the usual bullshit about "stolen land" etc. wash, rinse, repeat.

The native inhabitants 95% Muslims and Christians that were living in Palestine before the Jew/British invasion owned the land and are the descendants of the people that began converting to Christianity at the time of Christ. The European Jews/British invaded and stole the land from said native people. What's so difficult to understand. The Europeans were from another continent and invaded Palestine. It's just a fact.

 

[Hollie]

It is stolen land. It was stolen from the native inhabitants by the European colonists. And, Israel is an Apartheid state. And, the European colonists were Europeans. Just facts that can't be denied.

When all else fails, divert to the usual bullshit about "stolen land" etc. wash, rinse, repeat.

The native inhabitants 95% Muslims and Christians that were living in Palestine before the Jew/British invasion owned the land and are the descendants of the people that began converting to Christianity at the time of Christ. The European Jews/British invaded and stole the land from said native people. What's so difficult to understand. The Europeans were from another continent and invaded Palestine. It's just a fact.

It's comical how you cut and paste the same nonsense from thread to thread.

We're still left to chuckle at your "Jew invasion" meme as there is simply no historical record of any such event. There is, however, ample evidence of the Turk invasion, the Islamist conquest and the European xtian Crusaders invading the area.

How strange that you are so ignorant of the facts yet rattle on with cutting and pasting demonstrations of your profound ignorance.

 

[fanger]

It is stolen land. It was stolen from the native inhabitants by the European colonists. And, Israel is an Apartheid state. And, the European colonists were Europeans. Just facts that can't be denied.

When all else fails, divert to the usual bullshit about "stolen land" etc. wash, rinse, repeat.

The native inhabitants 95% Muslims and Christians that were living in Palestine before the Jew/British invasion owned the land and are the descendants of the people that began converting to Christianity at the time of Christ. The European Jews/British invaded and stole the land from said native people. What's so difficult to understand. The Europeans were from another continent and invaded Palestine. It's just a fact.

It's comical how you cut and paste the same nonsense from thread to thread.

We're still left to chuckle at your "Jew invasion" meme as there is simply no historical record of any such event. There is, however, ample evidence of the Turk invasion, the Islamist conquest and the European xtian Crusaders invading the area.

How strange that you are so ignorant of the facts yet rattle on with cutting and pasting demonstrations of your profound ignorance.

Aliyah Bet - Wikipedia

Aliyah Bet (1939-1948)

ALIYAH BET

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Aliyah Bet is the Hebrew term that refers to the clandestine immigration of Jews to Palestine between 1920 and 1948, when Great Britain controlled the area.

The Hebrew word "aliyah" (literally, "ascent") commonly refers to immigration to the Land of Israel, while "bet" (the Hebrew equivalent of the letter "B") here implies something unofficial or secret. The phrase Aliyah Bet describes the movement of Jewish refugees, many of them survivors of the Holocaust, not permitted to enter Palestine by the British authorities. Initiated by Zionist activists as the urgency for Jews to leave Europe intensified, this phenomenon was referred to by the British as "illegal" immigration. By 1948, well over 100,000 people had taken this route, including more than 70,000 Holocaust survivors.
Aliyah Bet

 

[Hollie]

It is stolen land. It was stolen from the native inhabitants by the European colonists. And, Israel is an Apartheid state. And, the European colonists were Europeans. Just facts that can't be denied.

When all else fails, divert to the usual bullshit about "stolen land" etc. wash, rinse, repeat.

The native inhabitants 95% Muslims and Christians that were living in Palestine before the Jew/British invasion owned the land and are the descendants of the people that began converting to Christianity at the time of Christ. The European Jews/British invaded and stole the land from said native people. What's so difficult to understand. The Europeans were from another continent and invaded Palestine. It's just a fact.

It's comical how you cut and paste the same nonsense from thread to thread.

We're still left to chuckle at your "Jew invasion" meme as there is simply no historical record of any such event. There is, however, ample evidence of the Turk invasion, the Islamist conquest and the European xtian Crusaders invading the area.

How strange that you are so ignorant of the facts yet rattle on with cutting and pasting demonstrations of your profound ignorance.

Aliyah Bet - Wikipedia

Aliyah Bet (1939-1948)

ALIYAH BET

Aliyah Bet is the Hebrew term that refers to the clandestine immigration of Jews to Palestine between 1920 and 1948, when Great Britain controlled the area.

The Hebrew word "aliyah" (literally, "ascent") commonly refers to immigration to the Land of Israel, while "bet" (the Hebrew equivalent of the letter "B") here implies something unofficial or secret. The phrase Aliyah Bet describes the movement of Jewish refugees, many of them survivors of the Holocaust, not permitted to enter Palestine by the British authorities. Initiated by Zionist activists as the urgency for Jews to leave Europe intensified, this phenomenon was referred to by the British as "illegal" immigration. By 1948, well over 100,000 people had taken this route, including more than 70,000 Holocaust survivors.
Aliyah Bet

So no, then. Your usual scrounging around in the bowels of wiki fails to show any "invasion". Thanks. Back to Stormfront for you.

Scoot.

 

[fanger]

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
jewish scum invade Palestine

 

[Hollie]

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
jewish scum invade Palestine

I can see you're angry and frustrated. Don't let your failure to support the silly "invasion" claim consume you. Just drink large quantities of alcohol. It will cure what ails you.

 

[fanger]

 

[Hollie]

You're a YouTube groupie. Nice.

Still nothing to support your silly "invasion" slogan.

 

[fanger]

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
jewish scum invade Palestine

I can see you're angry and frustrated. Don't let your failure to support the silly "invasion" claim consume you. Just drink large quantities of alcohol. It will cure what ails you.

despite what your rabbi tells you masturbation is not a sin if you can't find a partner willing to put up with your shite