We lost the last Class War..

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    The industrialization of the Far East has led to unprecedented gains in per capita income, reductions of poverty, massive infrastructure investment, and general increases in the standard of living..

    So after 49 threads about "class warfare" and "wealth gaps" -- I've got to ask our leftists --

    HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?

    Did they STEAL money from their "wealthy" thru tax policy? Did they villify business people and blame them for trampling on the poor? NO..

    There was an INTERNATION class war -- and WE LOST. The Social Justice folks for YEARS were on a crusade to redistribute the MACROECONOMIC World wealth and resources. You remember stuff like ::

    Consumption by the United States: Americans constitute 5% of the world's population but consume 24% of the world's energy.

    Or

    http://theendofpoverty.com/pdf/teoppressnotes.pdf

    SOUND FAMILIAR???

    Should be -- that was the LAST GREAT Socialist Class War.. And the result was that OUR COUNTRY -- shed jobs, shed capital, and shed prestige to help equalize the world..

    VOLUNTARILLY -- I might add. The WEALTHY nations INVESTED in the 3rd world. That social progress DID NOT trickle up. It did not come from FORCED redistribution. It came from the "1%-ers" of their fellow nations..

    You like the outcome lefty buds?? You WON that class war... You just don't know it...
     
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    What horseshit.

    Show me that America's rich people and not just her poor and middle class have lost out over the last few decades and your argument that it's all gone to developing countries to enrich them at our expense might have a shred of credibility.

    But since that's not true, it's clear where our wealth has gone, and it was NOT to the third world.
     
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    Where do think the INVESTMENT in Chinese manufacturing came from? I have at least 10 clients that have spent BILLIONS in building factories and infrastructure in China.. Not only did JOBS get redistributed -- but CAPITAL did as well. All OVER Asia and the world.

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/20/news/international/us_business_chinese_investment_boom/index.htm

    Find me an Apple product MADE in the US. WHO PAID for the factory expansion in China?

    It got redistributed... You should be proud..
     
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    Same old Socialist "Social Justice" redistribution on the GLOBAL scale. And we are seeing the results of that class warfare..

    Was it ever "fair" that ----->

    Those gains in China didn't come from trickle up, tax the wealthy policies did they? OUR RICHES funded their development...
     
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    Um... this is an interesting argument, but I doubt you'll get much support from either party on it.

    Personally, I view it as America not having properly adapted its workforce to globalization.

    Outsourcing is inevitable. No amount of protectionism could have prevented losing cheap industry to the Third World. By the same token, no amount of deregulation would have done this either, although eventually, we might become cheap labor again.
     
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    Yup.. There's no support for "adopting our workforce to globalization" because that's politically much harder than just stirring up a class war.. You get the point...

    But the good news is -- "cheap labor" is a temporary fad. The factories of the 21st century WON'T be run with cheap labor. The Chinese know that and are investing heavily in automation, artificial intelligience and materials sciences.
     
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    The idea that outsourcing has been responsible for the loss of high-paying jobs in the U.S. is a myth.

    Outsourcing, along with automation (the latter actually being the bigger factor) is responsible for the loss of many manufacturing jobs. Those manufacturing jobs were, for a while, high-paying jobs, higher-paying than the service jobs that have replaced them. But why is this? Was it because there is something intrinsic about factory work that demands it be better paid than service jobs?

    Nonsense. Lawyers are service workers. Doctors are service workers. Movie actors are service workers. Rock stars and sports stars are service workers. Service workers pull down the highest salaries in the entire world of employment.

    Also, in the past, before the 1930s, factory work tended to pay shit wages, too. And for long hours at that, with no overtime pay. What changed that picture? Why do we now have the image of the highly-paid blue-collar worker who can buy his own home and send his kids to college?

    One word: union.

    In the 1930s, after decades of struggle, manufacturing workers in this country were organized. Pay and benefits went up along with productivity for some time thereafter, as workers had the bargaining power to insist on a fair share of increased revenues.

    There is no reason at all why most service occupations couldn't have been unionized just as manufacturing was, as more people moved from factory work into services, except that the government turned more hostile to unions in the mid to late 1970s, and became even worse in this regard in the 1980s. But because of that, they haven't been, and because that's so, real wages have declined, resulting in increased corporate profits and a bigger and bigger share of the nation's wealth going to the top of the ladder.

    We have not lost wealth to third world countries. We have lost it to our own gouging rich.
     
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    Denial of facts does not make facts a myth.
     
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    From: CBO study shows growing income disparity - Oct. 26, 2011

     
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    It isn't a fact. It's a myth.
     

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