We don’t need to save the whales anymore…. myth of wind energy is more important…

[Unkotare]

So all animals eventually die. Just like humans. No one to date has proven death of humans due to climate

And yet we live on earth where all the climate is. Coincidence? I think not!

 

[Crick]

Of, course, we must consider crick is wrong every single time crick posts so why would this be any different.

I have made mistakes and, unlike you, I have admitted it when I did so. I have not been wrong every time, so you're lying.

What does the 24 hour pounding of multi-ton pylons into the ocean floor do to the marine life????

Probably makes them move away till it stops. What does the nonstop noise of diesels and screws and the oil industry's seismic air guns do to them? Do you want to compare the noise produced by an offshore drill rig or production platform to a wind turbine? I bet you don't.

Where does this drive whales, to shore, do they find there way around, do the die?

Whales do not beach themselves fleeing noise. They do so when they are weakened to the point they fear they will drown or due to navigation errors usually caused by advanced age or illness (typically infections).

 

[elektra]

Whales do not beach themselves fleeing noise. They do so when they are weakened to the point they fear they will drown or due to navigation errors usually caused by advanced age or illness (typically infections).

Prove it.

Prove navigation errors

Prove the fear of drowning in whales

And if you could prove fear of drowning prove they don't fear the noise from the not of their world multi-ton pounding in the path of their migration route.

Read your post before you post, I don't enjoy pointing out the incredible stupidity of clicks posts

Imbecile

 

[jc456]

And yet we live on earth where all the climate is. Coincidence? I think not!

Indeed, show where we did anything. Oceans set climate, as do mountains and longitude and latitude. I laugh at you chicken littles eating regurgitated slip from your parents mouths

 

[jc456]

have made mistakes and, unlike you, I have admitted it when I did so. I have not been wrong every time, so you're lying

Post #

 

[Unkotare]

Indeed, show where we did anything. Oceans set climate, as do mountains and longitude and latitude. I laugh at you chicken littles eating regurgitated slip from your parents mouths

????????

 

[jc456]

????????

That doesn’t surprise me at all

 

[Unkotare]

That doesn’t surprise me at all

What exactly is it you think you're saying?

 

[jc456]

What exactly is it you think you're saying?

What controls climate. You already drifted out? Attention deficit much

 

[Unkotare]

What controls climate. You already drifted out? Attention deficit much

You're gonna feel so stupid...

 

[jc456]

You're gonna feel so stupid...

Naw

 

[miketx]

If you were alive in the last few decades around the 1980-90s you would remember the crusade to “save the whales.” Now we know that was just more bullsh*t. The dramatic video of whale crusaders fighting off whale hunters….a joke…….

The cult of the left exploiting the myths of man made global warming have sent out the mind pulse…..Wind Turbines must be erected….and if whales die …… so what.

Will we see heroic anti-whale killing boats knocking down killer wind turbines….?

Will we see heroic anti-whaling crusaders blocking the boats putting up wind turbines?

Not likely…..

The left has put out the command….turbines are more valuable to the cause than fake concern for whales…….

Everything the left does is for money, power and control……l

Follow the money and you will likely find lots of it going from the wind turbine companies to left wing charities….fake concern for whales doesn’t generate that kind of money..dead whales don’t generate that kind cash…..so dead whales are okay now…..

Save the whales? In Massachusetts, today's greenies kill the whales

Once upon a time, the greenie left waxed poetic and went full scold to the rest of us about saving the whales. Today? They're doing the opposite. Take a look at what's going on off the coast of Massachusetts, where t...

www.americanthinker.com

I saw Cheech and Chong once and one of them quipped, "Save the whales, shoot the seals."

 

[Unkotare]

....I laugh at you chicken littles ....

You who the what?

 

[Crick]

Prove it.

Prove navigation errors

Prove the fear of drowning in whales

And if you could prove fear of drowning prove they don't fear the noise from the not of their world multi-ton pounding in the path of their migration route.

Read your post before you post, I don't enjoy pointing out the incredible stupidity of clicks posts

Imbecile

Whales can and do drown.

"The beaching of a single, live animal is usually the result of sickness or injury. Bad weather, old age, navigation errors, and hunting too close to shore also contribute to beachings. Some whale and dolphin species are more prone to mass beachings. Toothed whales (Odontoceti) are the most commonly affected."​

Why Do Whales Beach Themselves? - Fish & Wildlife Foundation of Florida

While tragic, whale beachings are not isolated to any one cause, species, or geographic location. Florida’s Redington Beach experienced a mass beaching of short-finned pilot whales in July 2019. Sadly, nearly 100 pilot whales perished on a beach in Western Australia last week. When these mass...

wildlifeflorida.org

 

[elektra]

Whales can and do drown.

Crick, you said whales beach themselves because the fear drowning.

Prove it. Or simply act like a man for once and admit you posted without thinking.

Crick, you claim whales Beach themselves out of fear, obviously the fear from the constant pounding of machinery that is foreign to the whales world would cause a whale to beach themselves.

Fear of drowning, crick, you are a joke, show us that whales have a fear of drowning.

 

[Crick]

Crick, you said whales beach themselves because the fear drowning.

Prove it. Or simply act like a man for once and admit you posted without thinking.

Crick, you claim whales Beach themselves out of fear, obviously the fear from the constant pounding of machinery that is foreign to the whales world would cause a whale to beach themselves.

Fear of drowning, crick, you are a joke, show us that whales have a fear of drowning.

What do you think happens to a whale that is too weak to keep itself at the surface?

 

[elektra]

What do you think happens to a whale that is too weak to keep itself at the surface?

You stated whales have a fear of drowning. Your reply has nothing to do with your original comment.

I would like to know where you came up with that idea. At the least crick has admitted whales do fear.

Hence when pounding 1000's of tons of metal and concrete pylons into the ocean floor to anchor wind turbines, the whales obviously fear that noise, beaching themselves on the ground.

Whales are beaching themselves in extraordinary numbers at the exact same time offshore wind turbines are installed in the whales migratory path.

Never have we seen this happen. I guess a good outcome will be the millions of seagulls that will be slaughtered by the wind turbines

 

[Crick]

You stated whales have a fear of drowning. Your reply has nothing to do with your original comment.

The source I linked (unlike the zero sources to which you have linked) stated that whales beach themselves from illness, injury and navigation failures. The supports my original comment precisely. You have claimed that all the whales beaching themselves since offshore wind turbine construction began were killed by that activity. Yet you have not provided ONE FUCKING IOTA OF EVIDENCE that that is the case.

I would like to know where you came up with that idea. At the least crick has admitted whales do fear.

All life fears pain and death.

Hence when pounding 1000's of tons of metal and concrete pylons into the ocean floor to anchor wind turbines, the whales obviously fear that noise, beaching themselves on the ground.

I agree that the whales will move away from the vicinity of the pile driving but not that that would force them to beach themselves. They would simply move away. Pile driving is a temporary activity and has been at thousands of locations along the coast for over a hundred years. If the whales have any direction preference when hearing that it would be to move AWAY from the coast.

Whales are beaching themselves in extraordinary numbers at the exact same time offshore wind turbines are installed in the whales migratory path.

Whales have been getting injured at an increasing rate for decades due to increased shipping. Here. Educate yourself:

Frequent Questions—Offshore Wind and Whales

Frequently asked questions about interactions between offshore wind energy projects and whales.

www.fisheries.noaa.gov

What does NOAA Fisheries do to minimize the impact of offshore wind development on whales?​

NOAA Fisheries helps avoid and minimize impacts to protected species and their habitats throughout the life cycle of offshore wind energy projects. We are responsible for several regulatory processes that ensure energy projects comply with the laws protecting our marine resources.

Who has the lead authority to approve or disapprove offshore wind projects?​

The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management is responsible for offshore renewable energy development in federal waters. This includes the approval, disapproval, or modification of construction and operations plans before an offshore wind project can be constructed. BOEM leads associated National Environmental Policy Act environmental reviews. For more information, read their renewable energy fact sheets.

Is U.S. offshore wind development linked to any whale deaths?​

We work with our partners to analyze and understand the causes of death when we are able, following the science and data. At this point, there is no scientific evidence that noise resulting from offshore wind site characterization surveys could potentially cause mortality of whales. There are no known links between recent large whale mortalities and ongoing offshore wind surveys.

We will continue to gather data to help us determine the cause of death for these mortality events. We will also continue to explore how sound, vessel, and other human activities in the marine environment impact whales and other marine mammals.

Media call on East Coast whale strandings: January 18, 2023

Does NOAA Fisheries authorize the death of whales as it relates to offshore wind development?​

NOAA Fisheries does not anticipate and has not authorized—or proposed to authorize—mortality or serious injury of whales for any wind-related action. Offshore wind developers have not applied for, and NOAA Fisheries has not approved, authorization to kill any marine mammals incidental to offshore wind site characterization surveys or construction activities. Marine mammals may respond to exposure to these surveys, for example, by avoiding the immediate area.

What is the cause of recent whale deaths off New York and New Jersey? Is it related to offshore wind development?​

At this point, there is no scientific evidence that noise resulting from offshore wind site characterization surveys could potentially cause mortality of whales. There are no known links between recent large whale mortalities and ongoing offshore wind surveys.

Offshore wind developers conduct high resolution geophysical surveys to image the ocean bottom. The noises these surveys produce may disturb marine mammals. This is why offshore wind operators have requested Incidental Harassment Authorizations to allow for Level B harassment. Level B harassment includes actions that could disturb, but not injure or kill, a marine mammal by disrupting behavioral patterns, including migration, breathing, nursing, breeding, feeding, or sheltering.

The sound from these HRG surveys are very different from seismic airguns used in oil and gas surveys or tactical military sonar. They produce much smaller impact zones because, in general, they have lower noise, higher frequency, and narrower beam-width. The area within which these sounds might disturb a marine mammal’s behavior is orders of magnitude smaller than the impact areas for seismic airguns or military sonar. Any marine mammal exposure to sound from HRG surveys would be at significantly lower levels and shorter duration, which is associated with less severe impacts to marine mammals.

In 2017, NOAA Fisheries declared an Unusual Mortality Event for humpback whale strandings along the Atlantic coast from Maine to Florida. The event is ongoing, and includes animals stranded since 2016. As of June 21, 2023, there are 200 humpback whale mortalities included in the UME. Partial or full necropsy examinations were conducted on approximately half of the whales. Necropsies were not conducted on other carcasses because they were either too decomposed, not brought to land, or stranded on protected lands (e.g. national and state parks) with limited or no access. Of the roughly 90 whales examined, about 40 percent had evidence of human interaction, either ship strike or entanglement. Vessel strikes and entanglement in fishing gear are the greatest human threats to large whales. The rest either had an undetermined cause of death (due to a limited examination or decomposition of the carcass), or had other causes of death, including parasite-caused organ damage and starvation.

What is causing the high number of large whales in the waters off New Jersey?​

As the humpback whale population has grown, they are seen more often in the Mid-Atlantic. Along the New Jersey shore, these whales may be following their prey (small fish) which were reportedly close to shore this winter.

These prey also attract fish that are targeted by recreational and commercial fishermen, which increases the number of boats in these areas. More whales in the water in areas traveled by boats of all sizes increases the risk of vessel strikes. As such, we advise boaters to go slowly—10 knots or less in waters where they are likely present—and keep a lookout for whales.

There is currently a voluntary slow zone in effect for the waters off New York and New Jersey due to recent detections of endangered North Atlantic right whales. There are also active Seasonal Management Areas (where all vessels 65 feet or longer must travel at 10 knots or less) off the ports of New York/New Jersey and Delaware Bay due to known seasonal distribution of right whales.

Is climate change a factor in the number of whales we’re seeing close to shore?​

Yes. Our climate is changing, and one of those key changes is the warming of our oceans. In response, many marine species are adapting by moving into new areas where conditions are now more favorable.

Changing distributions of prey impact larger marine species that depend on them, and result in changing distribution of whales and other marine life. This can lead to increased interactions with humans as some whales move closer to near shore habitats. We are investigating the increase in humpback whale deaths beginning in 2016, and certainly this most recent string of devastating losses.

The impacts of changing species distributions reach far beyond the individual species, affecting entire ecosystems and coastal economies.

How can NOAA Fisheries determine if a whale death was caused by offshore wind activity and related survey work? Are there any signs or criteria?​

NOAA Fisheries uses necropsies to determine the cause of a whale death. Necropsies can help determine if there is evidence from vessel strikes, entanglement, or acoustic trauma.

Vessel strikes are determined by cuts from propellers, bruising, and broken bones from the impact with a vessel hull. However, we are generally not able to definitively determine what specific kind of vessel (i.e., the size or type of vessel or what it was doing) caused the strike without a report from a mariner or other observer such as a protected species observer.

Entanglement injuries are often evident even in external examination even when rope or other fishing gear does not remain on a carcass. Acute injuries, such as areas where line or rope has rubbed through or broken the skin, can be very evident. In some cases, tissue analysis is needed to confirm whether the injuries are old and healing or may have contributed to the whale’s death.

Acoustic trauma, which could result from close exposure to loud human-produced sounds, is very challenging to assess, particularly with any amount of decomposition. Scientists look for bruising or trauma to the ear and other organs, but linking it to a particular sound source is difficult, as certain parts of the ear decompose very quickly (within hours), even more so than some of the other parts of the animal. If the whale is already in moderate to advanced decomposition, then microscopic changes in the ears are generally no longer detectable. Baleen whales and toothed whales have different hearing ranges, which affects how these animals respond to different levels of sound.

We will look at samples collected from each necropsied animal to further understand other factors that may have contributed to the stranding, but we may not ever have a definitive answer for each of these cases.

Strandings and inconclusive necropsies have occurred long before offshore wind was a factor, so correlating the two now is not based in science.

What is NOAA Fisheries doing to minimize the effects of offshore wind development on endangered North Atlantic right whales?​

NOAA Fisheries is heavily invested in the conservation and recovery of endangered North Atlantic right whales. NOAA Fisheries recently proposed a rule to modify existing vessel speed restrictions that would apply to many offshore wind-related vessels. In our Marine Mammal Protection Act authorizations and Endangered Species Act consultations, we also require mitigation measures to avoid and minimize impacts from offshore wind development.

NOAA Fisheries and the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management recently released a joint draft strategy to protect and promote the recovery of North Atlantic right whales while responsibly developing offshore wind energy. This strategy is part of NOAA Fisheries’ comprehensive Road to Recovery for North Atlantic right whales.

 

[elektra]

The source I linked (unlike the zero sources to which you have linked) stated that whales beach themselves from illness, injury and navigation failures. The supports my original comment precisely. You have claimed that all the whales beaching themselves since offshore wind turbine construction began were killed by that activity. Yet you have not provided ONE FUCKING IOTA OF EVIDENCE that that is the case.

All life fears pain and death.

I agree that the whales will move away from the vicinity of the pile driving but not that that would force them to beach themselves. They would simply move away. Pile driving is a temporary activity and has been at thousands of locations along the coast for over a hundred years. If the whales have any direction preference when hearing that it would be to move AWAY from the coast.

Whales have been getting injured at an increasing rate for decades due to increased shipping. Here. Educate yourself:

Frequent Questions—Offshore Wind and Whales

Frequently asked questions about interactions between offshore wind energy projects and whales.

www.fisheries.noaa.gov

What does NOAA Fisheries do to minimize the impact of offshore wind development on whales?​

NOAA Fisheries helps avoid and minimize impacts to protected species and their habitats throughout the life cycle of offshore wind energy projects. We are responsible for several regulatory processes that ensure energy projects comply with the laws protecting our marine resources.

Who has the lead authority to approve or disapprove offshore wind projects?​

The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management is responsible for offshore renewable energy development in federal waters. This includes the approval, disapproval, or modification of construction and operations plans before an offshore wind project can be constructed. BOEM leads associated National Environmental Policy Act environmental reviews. For more information, read their renewable energy fact sheets.

Is U.S. offshore wind development linked to any whale deaths?​

We work with our partners to analyze and understand the causes of death when we are able, following the science and data. At this point, there is no scientific evidence that noise resulting from offshore wind site characterization surveys could potentially cause mortality of whales. There are no known links between recent large whale mortalities and ongoing offshore wind surveys.

We will continue to gather data to help us determine the cause of death for these mortality events. We will also continue to explore how sound, vessel, and other human activities in the marine environment impact whales and other marine mammals.

Media call on East Coast whale strandings: January 18, 2023

Does NOAA Fisheries authorize the death of whales as it relates to offshore wind development?​

NOAA Fisheries does not anticipate and has not authorized—or proposed to authorize—mortality or serious injury of whales for any wind-related action. Offshore wind developers have not applied for, and NOAA Fisheries has not approved, authorization to kill any marine mammals incidental to offshore wind site characterization surveys or construction activities. Marine mammals may respond to exposure to these surveys, for example, by avoiding the immediate area.

What is the cause of recent whale deaths off New York and New Jersey? Is it related to offshore wind development?​

At this point, there is no scientific evidence that noise resulting from offshore wind site characterization surveys could potentially cause mortality of whales. There are no known links between recent large whale mortalities and ongoing offshore wind surveys.

Offshore wind developers conduct high resolution geophysical surveys to image the ocean bottom. The noises these surveys produce may disturb marine mammals. This is why offshore wind operators have requested Incidental Harassment Authorizations to allow for Level B harassment. Level B harassment includes actions that could disturb, but not injure or kill, a marine mammal by disrupting behavioral patterns, including migration, breathing, nursing, breeding, feeding, or sheltering.

The sound from these HRG surveys are very different from seismic airguns used in oil and gas surveys or tactical military sonar. They produce much smaller impact zones because, in general, they have lower noise, higher frequency, and narrower beam-width. The area within which these sounds might disturb a marine mammal’s behavior is orders of magnitude smaller than the impact areas for seismic airguns or military sonar. Any marine mammal exposure to sound from HRG surveys would be at significantly lower levels and shorter duration, which is associated with less severe impacts to marine mammals.

In 2017, NOAA Fisheries declared an Unusual Mortality Event for humpback whale strandings along the Atlantic coast from Maine to Florida. The event is ongoing, and includes animals stranded since 2016. As of June 21, 2023, there are 200 humpback whale mortalities included in the UME. Partial or full necropsy examinations were conducted on approximately half of the whales. Necropsies were not conducted on other carcasses because they were either too decomposed, not brought to land, or stranded on protected lands (e.g. national and state parks) with limited or no access. Of the roughly 90 whales examined, about 40 percent had evidence of human interaction, either ship strike or entanglement. Vessel strikes and entanglement in fishing gear are the greatest human threats to large whales. The rest either had an undetermined cause of death (due to a limited examination or decomposition of the carcass), or had other causes of death, including parasite-caused organ damage and starvation.

What is causing the high number of large whales in the waters off New Jersey?​

As the humpback whale population has grown, they are seen more often in the Mid-Atlantic. Along the New Jersey shore, these whales may be following their prey (small fish) which were reportedly close to shore this winter.

These prey also attract fish that are targeted by recreational and commercial fishermen, which increases the number of boats in these areas. More whales in the water in areas traveled by boats of all sizes increases the risk of vessel strikes. As such, we advise boaters to go slowly—10 knots or less in waters where they are likely present—and keep a lookout for whales.

There is currently a voluntary slow zone in effect for the waters off New York and New Jersey due to recent detections of endangered North Atlantic right whales. There are also active Seasonal Management Areas (where all vessels 65 feet or longer must travel at 10 knots or less) off the ports of New York/New Jersey and Delaware Bay due to known seasonal distribution of right whales.

Is climate change a factor in the number of whales we’re seeing close to shore?​

Yes. Our climate is changing, and one of those key changes is the warming of our oceans. In response, many marine species are adapting by moving into new areas where conditions are now more favorable.

Changing distributions of prey impact larger marine species that depend on them, and result in changing distribution of whales and other marine life. This can lead to increased interactions with humans as some whales move closer to near shore habitats. We are investigating the increase in humpback whale deaths beginning in 2016, and certainly this most recent string of devastating losses.

The impacts of changing species distributions reach far beyond the individual species, affecting entire ecosystems and coastal economies.

How can NOAA Fisheries determine if a whale death was caused by offshore wind activity and related survey work? Are there any signs or criteria?​

NOAA Fisheries uses necropsies to determine the cause of a whale death. Necropsies can help determine if there is evidence from vessel strikes, entanglement, or acoustic trauma.

Vessel strikes are determined by cuts from propellers, bruising, and broken bones from the impact with a vessel hull. However, we are generally not able to definitively determine what specific kind of vessel (i.e., the size or type of vessel or what it was doing) caused the strike without a report from a mariner or other observer such as a protected species observer.

Entanglement injuries are often evident even in external examination even when rope or other fishing gear does not remain on a carcass. Acute injuries, such as areas where line or rope has rubbed through or broken the skin, can be very evident. In some cases, tissue analysis is needed to confirm whether the injuries are old and healing or may have contributed to the whale’s death.

Acoustic trauma, which could result from close exposure to loud human-produced sounds, is very challenging to assess, particularly with any amount of decomposition. Scientists look for bruising or trauma to the ear and other organs, but linking it to a particular sound source is difficult, as certain parts of the ear decompose very quickly (within hours), even more so than some of the other parts of the animal. If the whale is already in moderate to advanced decomposition, then microscopic changes in the ears are generally no longer detectable. Baleen whales and toothed whales have different hearing ranges, which affects how these animals respond to different levels of sound.

We will look at samples collected from each necropsied animal to further understand other factors that may have contributed to the stranding, but we may not ever have a definitive answer for each of these cases.

Strandings and inconclusive necropsies have occurred long before offshore wind was a factor, so correlating the two now is not based in science.

What is NOAA Fisheries doing to minimize the effects of offshore wind development on endangered North Atlantic right whales?​

NOAA Fisheries is heavily invested in the conservation and recovery of endangered North Atlantic right whales. NOAA Fisheries recently proposed a rule to modify existing vessel speed restrictions that would apply to many offshore wind-related vessels. In our Marine Mammal Protection Act authorizations and Endangered Species Act consultations, we also require mitigation measures to avoid and minimize impacts from offshore wind development.

NOAA Fisheries and the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management recently released a joint draft strategy to protect and promote the recovery of North Atlantic right whales while responsibly developing offshore wind energy. This strategy is part of NOAA Fisheries’ comprehensive Road to Recovery for North Atlantic right whales.

There is dumb and there is crick.

You have not proved your opinion, "whales fear drowning" so they beach themselves.

Temporary pounding? Nice, you prove you don't know shit about the process of building thousands of wind turbines offshore. The pounding will be constant for years

The strategy of NOAA, to allow whale to be killed.

An Offshore Wind Farm In US Gets Permit To Kill Upto 20 Right Whales

The Massachusetts coast has been marked out for its high potential in terms of wind energy, offshore wind energy

www.google.com

An Offshore Wind Farm In US Gets Permit To Kill Up to 20 Right Whales​

 

[Unkotare]

And there were many before any of this as well.

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