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Mohammed similarly told the Red Cross that "I was also subjected to 'water-boarding' on five occasions, all of which occurred during the first month." Those were his five "sessions"; the precise number of applications is not known but is a fraction of the 183 figure.
It wasn't 183. He admitted it himself.
And you are a fool. We hung some Japanese soldiers for doing that to our boys. As McCain stated, it isn't so much what torture does to the terrorists, as what it does to us. The people that set this up should see jail time.
No, we didn't.
I haven't seen evidence we hung anyone solely for waterboarding. However Japs were prosecuted and sentenced 15 years hard labor solely for waterboarding. The US treated it as a war crime.
Not only was Asano not executed, but his 15-year sentence was for a host of crimes besides waterboarding. According to the U.C. Berkeley War Crimes center:
Docket Date: 53/ May 1 - 28, 1947, Yokohama, Japan
Charge: Violation of the Laws and Customs of War: 1. Did willfully and unlawfully mistreat and torture PWs. 2. Did unlawfully take and convert to his own use Red Cross packages and supplies intended for PWs.
Specifications: beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward [emphasis in original]
No, we didn't.
I haven't seen evidence we hung anyone solely for waterboarding. However Japs were prosecuted and sentenced 15 years hard labor solely for waterboarding. The US treated it as a war crime.
That is not true either. Annie posted an article in the last thread you repeated this, stating the soldiers procecuted also burned people with cig's,beat them etc.. They didn't just get sentenced for "waterboarding".
Mohammed similarly told the Red Cross that "I was also subjected to 'water-boarding' on five occasions, all of which occurred during the first month." Those were his five "sessions"; the precise number of applications is not known but is a fraction of the 183 figure.
It wasn't 183. He admitted it himself.
That is all assuming 1) KSM did say that 2) If he did say that he was being honest and not holding back because he was afraid of being waterboarded more 3) Fox News reported the information in a fair and balanced way.
All three facts are far from established in my mind.
The fact that the CIA reported it to be 183 times is more persuansive in my mind. Why would the CIA exagerrate the number of times he was waterboarded?
No, we didn't.
I haven't seen evidence we hung anyone solely for waterboarding. However Japs were prosecuted and sentenced 15 years hard labor solely for waterboarding. The US treated it as a war crime.
Well here's one where you're absolutely and totally wrong. So many times when I've posted legitamate sources, you say they are "biased." Let's see if you claim it is "biased" from Media Matters.
Not only was Asano not executed, but his 15-year sentence was for a host of crimes besides waterboarding. According to the U.C. Berkeley War Crimes center:
Docket Date: 53/ May 1 - 28, 1947, Yokohama, Japan
Charge: Violation of the Laws and Customs of War: 1. Did willfully and unlawfully mistreat and torture PWs. 2. Did unlawfully take and convert to his own use Red Cross packages and supplies intended for PWs.
Specifications: beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward [emphasis in original]
Media Matters - NRO's Hemingway gets history wrong in accusing Begala of botching facts
Since you've used the politically incorrect term "Japs," would you mind sharing with us the names of some of the other Asian brethren who you claim were convicted of waterboarding?
Are you able to say how much of the 15 years hard labor received was for the specific infraction of waterboarding, and how much was for beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes?
It kind of obviates the point of your post, doesn't it?
Mohammed similarly told the Red Cross that "I was also subjected to 'water-boarding' on five occasions, all of which occurred during the first month." Those were his five "sessions"; the precise number of applications is not known but is a fraction of the 183 figure.
It wasn't 183. He admitted it himself.
That is all assuming 1) KSM did say that 2) If he did say that he was being honest and not holding back because he was afraid of being waterboarded more 3) Fox News reported the information in a fair and balanced way.
All three facts are far from established in my mind.
The fact that the CIA reported it to be 183 times is more persuansive in my mind. Why would the CIA exagerrate the number of times he was waterboarded?
Sorry. I didn't realize the Red Cross lied.
My bad.
That is all assuming 1) KSM did say that 2) If he did say that he was being honest and not holding back because he was afraid of being waterboarded more 3) Fox News reported the information in a fair and balanced way.
All three facts are far from established in my mind.
The fact that the CIA reported it to be 183 times is more persuansive in my mind. Why would the CIA exagerrate the number of times he was waterboarded?
Sorry. I didn't realize the Red Cross lied.
My bad.
They did?
That is all assuming 1) KSM did say that 2) If he did say that he was being honest and not holding back because he was afraid of being waterboarded more 3) Fox News reported the information in a fair and balanced way.
Sorry. I didn't realize the Red Cross lied.
My bad.
They did?
Your post # 21.
The Red Cross reported that he said that. You pointed out:
That is all assuming 1) KSM did say that 2) If he did say that he was being honest and not holding back because he was afraid of being waterboarded more 3) Fox News reported the information in a fair and balanced way.
Assuming KSM said that - the Red Cross said he did. The Red Cross lied about him saying that?
If fraternities can use water boarding as a form of initiation, it must not be too bad.
I haven't seen evidence we hung anyone solely for waterboarding. However Japs were prosecuted and sentenced 15 years hard labor solely for waterboarding. The US treated it as a war crime.
Well here's one where you're absolutely and totally wrong. So many times when I've posted legitamate sources, you say they are "biased." Let's see if you claim it is "biased" from Media Matters.
Not only was Asano not executed, but his 15-year sentence was for a host of crimes besides waterboarding. According to the U.C. Berkeley War Crimes center:
Docket Date: 53/ May 1 - 28, 1947, Yokohama, Japan
Charge: Violation of the Laws and Customs of War: 1. Did willfully and unlawfully mistreat and torture PWs. 2. Did unlawfully take and convert to his own use Red Cross packages and supplies intended for PWs.
Specifications: beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward [emphasis in original]
Media Matters - NRO's Hemingway gets history wrong in accusing Begala of botching facts
Since you've used the politically incorrect term "Japs," would you mind sharing with us the names of some of the other Asian brethren who you claim were convicted of waterboarding?
Are you able to say how much of the 15 years hard labor received was for the specific infraction of waterboarding, and how much was for beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes?
It kind of obviates the point of your post, doesn't it?
Good post, I appreciate you make an argument backed up with good sources. It's refreshing to see. Rep for you.
It doesn't completely obviate my point. The point is whether the US considered waterboarding a form of torture and a war crime. The fact that the US prosecuted Japanese for waterboarding as torture establishes that. If they were simultaneously prosecuted for other forms of torture, that would go to the severity of the sentence.
They did?
Your post # 21.
The Red Cross reported that he said that. You pointed out:
That is all assuming 1) KSM did say that 2) If he did say that he was being honest and not holding back because he was afraid of being waterboarded more 3) Fox News reported the information in a fair and balanced way.
Assuming KSM said that - the Red Cross said he did. The Red Cross lied about him saying that?
It is possible the Red Cross was inaccurate in its report. It is possible that Fox News isn't giving a fair and balanced account.
Obviously there is a discrepancy between Fox News' report of what the Red Cross said and the 183 figure reported in the CIA memo.
Your post # 21.
The Red Cross reported that he said that. You pointed out:
Assuming KSM said that - the Red Cross said he did. The Red Cross lied about him saying that?
It is possible the Red Cross was inaccurate in its report. It is possible that Fox News isn't giving a fair and balanced account.
Obviously there is a discrepancy between Fox News' report of what the Red Cross said and the 183 figure reported in the CIA memo.
Is it possible that aliens will attack the world tomorrow?
I suppose so.
I guess that is the easy way to go. If there is information that doesn't support your side, simply question it's accuracy.
It is possible the Red Cross was inaccurate in its report. It is possible that Fox News isn't giving a fair and balanced account.
Obviously there is a discrepancy between Fox News' report of what the Red Cross said and the 183 figure reported in the CIA memo.
Is it possible that aliens will attack the world tomorrow?
I suppose so.
I guess that is the easy way to go. If there is information that doesn't support your side, simply question it's accuracy.
Or alternatively, if you want to be more persuasive to make a point, cite something more objective that Fox News. And yes, when we have a CIA memo saying he was waterboarded 183, I do question Fox's accuracy. Sorry if that offends your sense of fairness if you view Fox as a fountain of objectivity and veracity.
But irrespective, we are left with the Fox report on the Red cross on the one hand, and the CIA memo on the other.
All you Obamatrons let me down. I thought for sure you would put your spin on this story..say it isn't true.
Of course, once the truth comes out, you are all too embarrassed to even post.
Typical.
The real question is why you would post something from Fox News and expect anyone who does not rely on the Murdoch outlets for their worldview to be persuaded by it.
Fox states:
The New York Times reported last week that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, was waterboarded 183 times in one month by CIA interrogators. The "183 times" was widely circulated by news outlets throughout the world.
That makes it sound like the NYT came up with the 183 figure. But as I understand it, that figure came from the CIA memos. In true "fair and balanced" fashion, Fox doesn't mention that little bit of information.
Fox's claim that the 183 was for each pour lasting only "a matter of seconds" was from an unidentified "U.S. official with knowledge of the interrogation"
Sorry if I'm not blown over by the evidence.
All you Obamatrons let me down. I thought for sure you would put your spin on this story..say it isn't true.
Of course, once the truth comes out, you are all too embarrassed to even post.
Typical.
The real question is why you would post something from Fox News and expect anyone who does not rely on the Murdoch outlets for their worldview to be persuaded by it.
Fox states:
The New York Times reported last week that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, was waterboarded 183 times in one month by CIA interrogators. The "183 times" was widely circulated by news outlets throughout the world.
That makes it sound like the NYT came up with the 183 figure. But as I understand it, that figure came from the CIA memos. In true "fair and balanced" fashion, Fox doesn't mention that little bit of information.
Fox's claim that the 183 was for each pour lasting only "a matter of seconds" was from an unidentified "U.S. official with knowledge of the interrogation"
Sorry if I'm not blown over by the evidence.
Fox sued for and won the right to make false statements. They use it regularly.
Your post # 21.
The Red Cross reported that he said that. You pointed out:
Assuming KSM said that - the Red Cross said he did. The Red Cross lied about him saying that?
It is possible the Red Cross was inaccurate in its report. It is possible that Fox News isn't giving a fair and balanced account.
Obviously there is a discrepancy between Fox News' report of what the Red Cross said and the 183 figure reported in the CIA memo.
Is it possible that aliens will attack the world tomorrow?
I suppose so.
I guess that is the easy way to go. If there is information that doesn't support your side, simply question it's accuracy.
If fraternities can use water boarding as a form of initiation, it must not be too bad.
And you are a fool. We hung some Japanese soldiers for doing that to our boys. As McCain stated, it isn't so much what torture does to the terrorists, as what it does to us. The people that set this up should see jail time.
It is possible the Red Cross was inaccurate in its report. It is possible that Fox News isn't giving a fair and balanced account.
Obviously there is a discrepancy between Fox News' report of what the Red Cross said and the 183 figure reported in the CIA memo.
Is it possible that aliens will attack the world tomorrow?
I suppose so.
I guess that is the easy way to go. If there is information that doesn't support your side, simply question it's accuracy.
Given the statement "We do not torture". Why should we believe anything that you or any of that cretin's supporters have to say?
And you are a fool. We hung some Japanese soldiers for doing that to our boys. As McCain stated, it isn't so much what torture does to the terrorists, as what it does to us. The people that set this up should see jail time.
a link to your claim......
