Conservatives Start Speaking Out Against Torture

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    Andrew Sullivan lays it out in such a way that (hopefully), even the diehard partisans can get it:

    The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan

    Why is this so difficult to understand that we have a couple of dozen threads attempting to justify this practice?

    For the record: I'm not a liberal. I voted for W - TWICE. I'm not a pacifist. I work in a law enforcement field. So, spare me the prejudgements.
     
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    Interesting perspective. I'm not sure I agree with it as a primary basis for why torture should not be legitimized. But there is undeniably an element of cowardness of inflicting pain on someone who is incapable of resisting or defending. Kind of like beating a kid.
     
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    Or debating Willow.
     
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    I won't pre judge you,, but I can't understand how thousands of innocents lying around dead at the hands of terrorists is preferable to waterboarding. can you explain that? cause really this has nothing to do with war,, it's about protecting American cities and lives.. Now if you can explain why thousands of innocents dead is preferable to one waterboarding then I'm willing to listen.. which would be easier for you to stand and watch.. a 9-11 in which you know thousands will die horrible deaths, or a waterboarding in which you are certain the person will be terrified of death but in fact will live.
     
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    this is such a naive look at torture. first off, torture is relatively subjective...what the US considers torture other countries do not. that alone makes your comment that this thread is in relation to the other torture threads utterly naive. further, the torture talked about in this thread seems more like torture just for the sake of torture, not like so-called "torturing" someone to get information to save lives.
     
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    When has the US recently tortured soldiers?
     
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    So, you think that the ends do, in fact, justify the means. At what point, then, do you draw the line, Yurt?

    Would you be okay with lopping off the body parts of suspected terrorists? flaying their skin from their bodies? Burning them with a brand? Repeatedly electrocuting their genitals?

    What acts are morally permissible in Yurt world if it keeps you from being scared of the big, bad terrorists?
     
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    You can justify torturing non-military enemies?
     
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    They gave me the green light.

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    That's interesting, Xeno. You claim to speak as the appointed spokesperson for all of the victims of 9/11? Pretty arrogant claim.
     

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