Was Constitutional Convention Really a Liberal Coup?

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    It mostly was it seems. The Articles had been a huge success at limiting central govt. They contained amendment procedures, to amend the Articles, but every time the liberals tried to use them to expand the power of the central govt they failed. That is when they finally gave up and went outside the ratification process and subversively called their own convention. Who showed up? Liberals who wanted to expand the power of central govt. As soon as the conservatives saw how dangerous the new Constitution was [ Jefferson and Madison, mostly] they formed the Republican Party in 1792 to fight against liberal big govt, and Republicans have been carrying on the battle ever since.
     
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    The liberals of that time were not the "liberals" of our time. See "Classical Liberalism".

    The Founders intentionally limited federal authority. Also, the "Democrat-Republican Party" was formed to oppose the Federalist Party, which favored a strong central government as do our current-day "liberals".

    The Republican Party was not formed until 1854.
     
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    obviously I was using today's definitions so the reader would not be burdened with having to know definitions from 200 years ago.
     
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    100% wrong of course, the Founders intentionally expanded federal authority
     
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    Why add to the confusion? Most people these days have all the education of a fruit bat. Teach them.
     
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    wrong of course. Jefferson and Madison formed Republican Party in 1792. Democratic-Republican Party was not formed until next century. Sorry to rock your world.
     
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    The Bill of Rights is not an expansive document, but a restrictive one.
     
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    by using today's definitions you prevent confusion. Make sense??
     
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    Okay, you're uneducated.

    :bye1:
     
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    Articles of Confederation was restrictive. Constitution was expansive
     

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