War Without End

[Flanders]

The Eavesdropping Scandal tells me one thing. The government does not want to win the war against Muslim fundamentalism. Hussein & Company do not want to fight the war let alone win it. So long as the war goes on the government can erode the Constitution into oblivion under the guise of protecting us from terrorists. Hussein & Company deny there is a war at the same time they claim they are protecting us. Plato would have seen through that game:

The people always have some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness. . . . This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.

There is one good that might come out of the wiretap scandal. The American people will protect themselves from tyranny by not nursing that piece of garbage in the White House into greatness.

This morning Hussein said something like there is a big problem when the public does not trust the courts, etc. I assume he meant the government intends to beat trust into the American people.

The Chicago sewer rat and others said the government still has to go to court to get a warrant to listen to phone conversations. Oh yeah! That’s a great comfort. He might just as well have said “MY czars are the only ones that can issue warrants to listen.”

All is not doom & gloom for government snooping. No warrant is needed to read e-mails, Internet activity, and so on.

Naturally, ‘Blame Bush’ has already surfaced. Hell, who said Bush wasn’t guilty? To paraphrase Hillary Clinton on the murders in Benghazi: What the hell does it matter who started it?

Finally, this next spy tentacle is the most troubling:

Former CIA Director David Petraeus is in attendance at the 2013 Bilderberg Group conference to help construct the “big data” spy grid, which is set to become the new frontier of clandestine statecraft as Internet connectivity becomes ubiquitous.

David Petraeus At Bilderberg to Craft “Big Data” Spy Grid
Former CIA director helping to bolster same surveillance system that brought him down
Paul Joseph Watson
June 7, 2013

» David Petraeus At Bilderberg to Craft ?Big Data? Spy Grid Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Petraeus is a retired general. He can do anything he wants to do as a private citizen. The question is: How many high-ranking officers in every branch of the armed services are in the pockets of the Bilderberg Group?

Take this to one of the banks the Bilderberg Group owns. Bilderbergers will use a “Big Data” Spy Grid to identify, and destroy, every American who opposes global government. In fact, that could be the true purpose behind the government’s eavesdropping.

Stay tuned. The Eavesdropping Scandal could bury all of the others if Hussein’s media stooges finally see the dangers and do something for the country instead of working for the government.

 

[Sallow]

So..you want to do what?

Repeal the AUMF and the Patriot Act?

I don't think you do.

 

[whitehall]

Didn't VietNam teach us anything? You can't win a war unless you take and keep real estate. Get the hell out of Afghanistan or escalate the war and take the whole freaking country.

 

[Flanders]

So..you want to do what?

Repeal the AUMF and the Patriot Act?

I don't think you do.

The Authorization for Use of Military Force[1] (AUMF) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress on September 14, 2001, authorizing the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001. The authorization granted the President the authority to use all "necessary and appropriate force" against those whom he determined "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups. The AUMF was signed by President George W. Bush on September 18, 2001.

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To Sallow: I would repeal the AUMF the day Democrats pervert it to fight touchy-feely military interventions just as they are perverting the Patriot Act:

WASHINGTON D.C. -- Wisconsin House Republican Jim Sensenbrenner – who wrote the U.S.A. Patriot Act soon after 9-11 – said the secret surveillance of Americans’ phone records goes way beyond what the law intended.

Published June 07, 2013, 09:10 AM

Cong. Sensenbrenner ?Patriot Act author ? says NSA surveillance goes too far; Assembly votes to uphold new laws in dispute, more state news | Rivertowns.net | River Falls, Wisconsin

Note how that filthy sneak, Harry Reid, implies spying on all Americans makes the Patriot Act “better”

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tyZiofwRPlE]JJim Sensenbrenner, Patriot Act Author, Slams 'Un-American' NSA Verizon Phone Records Grab - YouTube[/ame]​

Didn't VietNam teach us anything? You can't win a war unless you take and keep real estate. Get the hell out of Afghanistan or escalate the war and take the whole freaking country.

To whitehall: As far as I know the Philippines and Puerto Rico are the only foreign “real estate” this country ever took. (The Spanish-American War.) Even then, the Philippines was given its independence peacefully, and Puerto Rico can have it any time the people want it. Note that America did not gain one inch of territory after WWI or WWII.

The problem is fighting Peace Without Victory wars.

 

[Sallow]

Didn't VietNam teach us anything? You can't win a war unless you take and keep real estate. Get the hell out of Afghanistan or escalate the war and take the whole freaking country.

This is pretty much correct.

 

[Sallow]

So..you want to do what?

Repeal the AUMF and the Patriot Act?

I don't think you do.

The Authorization for Use of Military Force[1] (AUMF) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress on September 14, 2001, authorizing the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001. The authorization granted the President the authority to use all "necessary and appropriate force" against those whom he determined "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups. The AUMF was signed by President George W. Bush on September 18, 2001.

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To Sallow: I would repeal the AUMF the day Democrats pervert it to fight touchy-feely military interventions just as they are perverting the Patriot Act:

WASHINGTON D.C. -- Wisconsin House Republican Jim Sensenbrenner – who wrote the U.S.A. Patriot Act soon after 9-11 – said the secret surveillance of Americans’ phone records goes way beyond what the law intended.

Published June 07, 2013, 09:10 AM

Cong. Sensenbrenner ?Patriot Act author ? says NSA surveillance goes too far; Assembly votes to uphold new laws in dispute, more state news | Rivertowns.net | River Falls, Wisconsin

Note how that filthy sneak, Harry Reid, implies spying on all Americans makes the Patriot Act “better”

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tyZiofwRPlE]JJim Sensenbrenner, Patriot Act Author, Slams 'Un-American' NSA Verizon Phone Records Grab - YouTube[/ame]​

Didn't VietNam teach us anything? You can't win a war unless you take and keep real estate. Get the hell out of Afghanistan or escalate the war and take the whole freaking country.

To whitehall: As far as I know the Philippines and Puerto Rico are the only foreign “real estate” this country ever took. (The Spanish-American War.) Even then, the Philippines was given its independence peacefully, and Puerto Rico can have it any time the people want it. Note that America did not gain one inch of territory after WWI or WWII.

The problem is fighting Peace Without Victory wars.

Are you freakin insane?

Over 600K Filipinos were killed in various attempts at independence from the US.

And yeah..I figured you don't have a problem with the Patriot Act or AUMF as long as it's Republicans at the helm.

I have a problem with it no matter what party is in place.

 

[Flanders]

Are you freakin insane?

Over 600K Filipinos were killed in various attempts at independence from the US.

To Sallow: Your lack of reading comprehension skills is showing again. The Phillippines did not get independence through violent revolution. Independence was given peacefully after WWII ended. Also, America was not a colonial oppressor during its time in the Philippines.

If your absurd figure of 600,000 refers to the Moro Rebellion (1899 - 1913) at least be honest and admit that Moro tribes were Muslims who saw an opportunity to turn the Philippines into an Islamic theocracy after Christian Spain lost the Spanish-American War.

Sad to say, Moro Muslims could probably win today if the Arab Spring is any guide to Hussein’s foreign policy.

NOTE: Moro Muslims contributed much to the need for a pistol with exceptional stopping power.

 

[Sallow]

Are you freakin insane?

Over 600K Filipinos were killed in various attempts at independence from the US.

To Sallow: Your lack of reading comprehension skills is showing again. The Phillippines did not get independence through violent revolution. Independence was given peacefully after WWII ended. Also, America was not a colonial oppressor during its time in the Philippines.

If your absurd figure of 600,000 refers to the Moro Rebellion (1899 - 1913) at least be honest and admit that Moro tribes were Muslims who saw an opportunity to turn the Philippines into an Islamic theocracy after Christian Spain lost the Spanish-American War.

Sad to say, Moro Muslims could probably win today if the Arab Spring is any guide to Hussein’s foreign policy.

NOTE: Moro Muslims contributed much to the need for a pistol with exceptional stopping power.

Oh bullshit.

This is a case of what I like to call American Conservative American Exceptionalism.

Practices that are considered universally wrong..aren't wrong when America engages in them.

 

[Flanders]

Practices that are considered universally wrong..

To Sallow: Only Socialists/Communists, Muslim fanatics, and envious parasitic America-haters consider them wrong. That’s a long, long, way from universal.

universal (adjective)
Abbr. univ.

1. Of, relating to, extending to, or affecting the entire world or all within the world; worldwide: “This discovery of literature has as yet only partially penetrated the universal consciousness” (Ellen Key).

2. Including, relating to, or affecting all members of the class or group under consideration: the universal skepticism of philosophers. See synonyms at general.

3. Applicable or common to all purposes, conditions, or situations: a universal remedy.

4. Of or relating to the universe or cosmos; cosmic.

5. Knowledgeable about or constituting all or many subjects; comprehensively broad.

6. Adapted or adjustable to many sizes or mechanical uses.

7. Logic. Encompassing all of the members of a class or group. Used of a proposition.

noun
1. Logic. a. A universal proposition. b. A general or abstract concept or term considered absolute or axiomatic.

2. A general or widely held principle, concept, or notion.

3. A trait or pattern of behavior characteristic of all the members of a particular culture or of all human beings.

— universally adverb
— universalness noun

 

[Saigon]

The government does not want to win the war against Muslim fundamentalism.

What war?

 

[Flanders]

The government does not want to win the war against Muslim fundamentalism.

What war?

To Saigon: The one Muslims declared many decades ago. The war expressed by the Thuggee guru’s philosophy in this video. Move the cursor to 1:00:

Gunga Din Trailer - IMDb​

 

[Saigon]

Flanders -

Of the 40 or so countries with a majority Muslim population, fully 35 of them are not at war with anyone.

Most of them have NEVER been at war with the US.

Try and post with a little common sense.

 

[Flanders]

Flanders -

Of the 40 or so countries with a majority Muslim population, fully 35 of them are not at war with anyone.

Most of them have NEVER been at war with the US.

Try and post with a little common sense.

To Saigon: Failing to distinguish between conventional warfare, and the type of war Muslims are waging, shows that you are either a fool or you are trying to be clever again.

Aside from terrorist warfare, Muslims infiltrated every country that would have them. As soon as they acquire the numbers and some political power they fight against their host country. In this country they hide behind the First Amendment to engage in fund raising for terrorist organizations based in those foreign countries you say are not at war against anyone.

In fact, you cannot possibly know how many Muslim governments are funding radical Islam’s war. Indeed, terrorists operate freely, training camps, etc., in many Muslim countries not at war against the US. That’s war by every definition.

 

[whitehall]

So..you want to do what?

Repeal the AUMF and the Patriot Act?

I don't think you do.

The Authorization for Use of Military Force[1] (AUMF) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress on September 14, 2001, authorizing the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001. The authorization granted the President the authority to use all "necessary and appropriate force" against those whom he determined "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups. The AUMF was signed by President George W. Bush on September 18, 2001.

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To Sallow: I would repeal the AUMF the day Democrats pervert it to fight touchy-feely military interventions just as they are perverting the Patriot Act:

WASHINGTON D.C. -- Wisconsin House Republican Jim Sensenbrenner – who wrote the U.S.A. Patriot Act soon after 9-11 – said the secret surveillance of Americans’ phone records goes way beyond what the law intended.

Published June 07, 2013, 09:10 AM

Cong. Sensenbrenner ?Patriot Act author ? says NSA surveillance goes too far; Assembly votes to uphold new laws in dispute, more state news | Rivertowns.net | River Falls, Wisconsin

Note how that filthy sneak, Harry Reid, implies spying on all Americans makes the Patriot Act “better”

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tyZiofwRPlE]JJim Sensenbrenner, Patriot Act Author, Slams 'Un-American' NSA Verizon Phone Records Grab - YouTube[/ame]​

Didn't VietNam teach us anything? You can't win a war unless you take and keep real estate. Get the hell out of Afghanistan or escalate the war and take the whole freaking country.

To whitehall: As far as I know the Philippines and Puerto Rico are the only foreign “real estate” this country ever took. (The Spanish-American War.) Even then, the Philippines was given its independence peacefully, and Puerto Rico can have it any time the people want it. Note that America did not gain one inch of territory after WWI or WWII.

The problem is fighting Peace Without Victory wars.

Geez flanders, you still don't understand do you? We rolled over Italy, France, the Low Countries and Germany during the 2nd War to end all wars. That's the way you win it.

 

[Flanders]

To whitehall: Are you so goddamned stupid you can’t read what you said before making a fool of yourself. This is what I replied to:

Didn't VietNam teach us anything? You can't win a war unless you take and keep real estate. Get the hell out of Afghanistan or escalate the war and take the whole freaking country.

I replied:

To whitehall: As far as I know the Philippines and Puerto Rico are the only foreign “real estate” this country ever took. (The Spanish-American War.) Even then, the Philippines was given its independence peacefully, and Puerto Rico can have it any time the people want it. Note that America did not gain one inch of territory after WWI or WWII.

The problem is fighting Peace Without Victory wars.

Then to demonstrate your abysmal ignorance you came back with no mention of taking and keeping real estate in WWII:

Geez flanders, you still don't understand do you? We rolled over Italy, France, the Low Countries and Germany during the 2nd War to end all wars. That's the way you win it.

Don’t respond to my threads without first getting help from a 5th grader.

 

[whitehall]

Geez flanders, take a class in debate or something. You don't make a point by whining. Did the US invent a new kind of warfare after VietNam? We would take casualty after casualty and shoot a couple of the enemy by sniper fire and then send a patrol out and take a few more casualties and complain about PTSD and prosecute a Soldier who went nuts and killed some civilians and send out another patrol and prosecute a Marine who pissed on a couple of bodies. Yeah they must love us because we arrest Soldiers and are careful not to harm or injure a civilian. And the beat goes on....Sonny Bono.

 

[Saigon]

Flanders -

Of the 40 or so countries with a majority Muslim population, fully 35 of them are not at war with anyone.

Most of them have NEVER been at war with the US.

Try and post with a little common sense.

To Saigon: Failing to distinguish between conventional warfare, and the type of war Muslims are waging, shows that you are either a fool or you are trying to be clever again.

Aside from terrorist warfare, Muslims infiltrated every country that would have them. As soon as they acquire the numbers and some political power they fight against their host country. In this country they hide behind the First Amendment to engage in fund raising for terrorist organizations based in those foreign countries you say are not at war against anyone.

In fact, you cannot possibly know how many Muslim governments are funding radical Islam’s war. Indeed, terrorists operate freely, training camps, etc., in many Muslim countries not at war against the US. That’s war by every definition.

I am not trying to be clever - I am trying to explain a few basic facts to you.

In at least 35 out of 40 Islamic countries there is no war. There is no infiltration. There is no terror, nor funding of terror.

 

[whitehall]

Flanders -

Of the 40 or so countries with a majority Muslim population, fully 35 of them are not at war with anyone.

Most of them have NEVER been at war with the US.

Try and post with a little common sense.

To Saigon: Failing to distinguish between conventional warfare, and the type of war Muslims are waging, shows that you are either a fool or you are trying to be clever again.

Aside from terrorist warfare, Muslims infiltrated every country that would have them. As soon as they acquire the numbers and some political power they fight against their host country. In this country they hide behind the First Amendment to engage in fund raising for terrorist organizations based in those foreign countries you say are not at war against anyone.

In fact, you cannot possibly know how many Muslim governments are funding radical Islam’s war. Indeed, terrorists operate freely, training camps, etc., in many Muslim countries not at war against the US. That’s war by every definition.

I am not trying to be clever - I am trying to explain a few basic facts to you.

In at least 35 out of 40 Islamic countries there is no war. There is no infiltration. There is no terror, nor funding of terror.

In 35 out of 40 countries in Europe there was no war in the late 30's but watch out for those other five.