Want To See What National Healthcare Will Look Like?

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    You don't need to look any farther than Tennessee. It was a disaster. It's amazing that anyone can't see what happened in one state and realize that it would be an even worse nightmare to try this nation wide.
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    July 22, 2009
    Lessons For Health Care Reform
    By Reps. Marsha Blackburn and Phil Roe
    Tennessee was home to a failed attempt at universal single payer care, and has lessons to teach a President who has promised that in pursuing his goal of universal health care, he will learn from the policy failures of the past. In 1994 Tennessee implemented managed care in its Medicaid program, creating a system known as TennCare. The objective was to use the anticipated savings from Medicaid to fund and expand coverage for children and the uninsured. The result was a program that nearly bankrupted the state, reduced the quality of care, and collapsed under its own weight.
    The genesis of TennCare has many parallels to the situation in which we find ourselves today. It was a public option plan designed to save money and expand coverage. In the early 1990s, Tennessee was facing rising costs in its Medicaid program. TennCare was designed to replace Mediaid with managed care and use the promised savings to expand coverage. By 1998, TennCare swelled to cover 1.2 million people. Private business dropped coverage for employees and forced them onto state rolls. By 2002 enrollment had swelled to 1.4 million people and forced Tennessee's Governor to raise taxes and ultimately propose an entirely new state income tax to cover the unforeseen costs. Governor Bredesen was ultimately forced to dramatically restructure a program he has since called "a disaster". By 2006 Bredesen had disenrolled nearly 200,000 people and slashed benefits.





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    Hey let's deluge the white house and congress with this story. Can't hurt.
     
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    I just don't understand WHY they can't look at Tenncare and see the future. And if some of the people supporting NHC had ever dealt with the layers of bureaucracy that had to be waded through, they'd tell Obama where he could shove his public option. My mom has COPD and was considered "uninsurable" by regular insurance companies once there was a "public" option available. The worst thing anyone could say was, " You need to call the Tenncare office. " Average phone wait was.. not kidding.. 3 HOURS.
     
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    Perhaps Obama has. I mean he and his Cabinet (czars) should know this and if not they idiots. Are they idiots or do they know what they want to do to this country so that they can re-build one they want. Just saying makes you wonder.
     
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    Good question. I almost hope it's the latter because if they're truly that stupid, it's a long time til January 20, 2013.
     
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    Terry Shut the $%$ Up!

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    I got this in an email and had to share:

    TOP TEN INDICATORS THAT YOUR EMPLOYER HAS CHANGED TO THE OBAMA
    GOVERNMENT 'CHEAPER' HEALTH CARE PLAN:


    (10) Your annual breast exam is done at Hooters.

    (9) Directions to your doctor's office include "Turn off the paved road and take a left when youenter the trailer park."

    (8) The tongue depressors taste faintly of Fudgesicles.

    (7) The only proctologist in the plan is "Gus" from Roto-Rooter.

    (6) The only item listed under Preventive Care Coverage is "an apple aday..."

    (5) Your primary care physician is wearing the pants you gave toGoodwill last month.

    (4) "The patient is responsible for 200% of out-of-network charges,"is not a typographical error.

    (3) The only expense covered 100% is "embalming."

    (2) Your Prozac comes in different colors with little M's on them.

    AND THE NUMBER ONE SIGN YOU'VE JOINED THE GOV'T HEALTH CARE PLAN:

    (1) You ask for Viagra and they give you a Popsicle stick and Duct Tape.
     
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    Simple answer, they don't care. They are not trying to offer a system that actually works, just one that will give them more control of more industry.
     
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    Programs such as this become a problem because they are set up to cover those who are uninsured without figuring out where the funds will come from. And since most of the people in such a program do not pay for the program, the program is grossly underfunded.

    Any type of one payer system must include everyone, not just the uninsurable. How in the world does it make sense to only cover those who don't qualify or can't afford to pay in the first place? A one payer system could work very well, but not if it is a bandaid to cover those who won't or can't pay. So what happens is that this type of program gets bogged down and can't fund itself, and it becomes a disaster.

    In a one payer system, everyone must contribute. It is the only way that it can work. However, if everyone is part of the system, and everyone is contributing, then the system can work effectively. So your example is not a good one unless you are assuming, which may be correct, that the currently proposed public option would be completely underfunded from the get go and that those using the public option would not be paying a reasonable amount toward the system.
     
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    We already have national healthcare.

    It's called Medicare and the emergency room.
     
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    TennCare is almost undistinguishable from the health care system currently in the House. Perhaps I misunderstood your post but you seem to be under the assumption that HR3200 would put EVERYONE on the public option immediately. It wouldn't. It would function just as TennCare did. It would also fail as TennCare did.
     

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