Britons Angered by the US Healthcare Debate

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf2E2Yi58iw&feature=related]YouTube - Britain defends its health care against U.S. criticisms[/ame]



    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HURZfgYptfA&NR=1[/ame]

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    Who gives a fuck ... they don't live here, and they don't make our laws, when our politicians emulate them, we are allowed to use their problems as reasons not to.
     
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    Obviously 'they' give a fuck. It's one thing to discuss others' healthcare systems and it's a whole another ball-game when one misuses the information and turns it into a downright lie (in many cases) to further his/her own agenda. Then the people whose 'facts' one uses might get a bit pissed. Also, I can understand why Britons might get pissed if a bunch of ignorant fuckfaces who know nothing and care to know nothing call their NHS 'socialist' or even 'evil'.
     
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    Here's British MEP Daniel Hannan discussing Britain's healthcare system on Glenn Beck's program.

    [youtube]rLyj1cVSaP0[/youtube]

    Apparently he doesn't think it works.
     
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    Apparently you didn't watch the videos I posted - he is addressed in the second video as having angered his Conservative party leader who is planning to actually expand the GB NHS.
     
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    Really ... so somehow our pointing out flaws in their system and the dangers of implementing something like it here effects them how?
     
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    Not completely no, but if you want to drag some British people into defend the system it's just as easy to drag British people in who see the problems with their system.
     
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    This is not about pointing out problems. Everyone living in Britain knows that there are problems with NHS and most of them even are aware of most of the problems. This is about ignorant Americans spewing outright lies about the NHS, such as - grandma's gonna die! There's not a perfect system out there. However, while we're obsessing about the very rare cases when it does not work, how about the overwhelming majority of cases where it does work? How many times does that get mentioned? I wish people didn't just make up their minds before they even enter the discussion and then justify their irrational belief by making outrageous shit up (such as - grandma's gonna die!, etc.) I'm glad that there is a very involved discussion going on in the States about this issue as it should be, however, I also wish people would get a bit more rational and less emotional about these issues. Answer to fallacy number one: having some sort of NHS doesn't make your country a 'socialist' one.

    I think people are mostly just scared of what they don't know - which is logical - but instead of trying to get to know it, they immediately shun it - which is not logical, that's reactionary.
     
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    I don't think the "grandma's gonna die" comments came from a comparison to Britain's system, but from a clause that was in the actual bill regarding end of life care. However, as Daniel Hannan discusses in the video I provided, I certainly wouldn't want to be old under a government run system and have them decide I wasn't worthy of care.
     
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    And if you watched the videos I posted, you'd also find out that grandma is not going to die... (in other words, she will be 'worthy of care' until she finally exhales).
     

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