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Who gives a fuck ... they don't live here, and they don't make our laws, when our politicians emulate them, we are allowed to use their problems as reasons not to.
Here's British MEP Daniel Hannan discussing Britain's healthcare system on Glenn Beck's program.
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Apparently he doesn't think it works.
Who gives a fuck ... they don't live here, and they don't make our laws, when our politicians emulate them, we are allowed to use their problems as reasons not to.
Obviously 'they' give a fuck. It's one thing to discuss others' healthcare systems and it's a whole another ball-game when one misuses the information and turns it into a downright lie (in many cases) to further his/her own agenda. Then the people whose 'facts' one uses might get a bit pissed. Also, I can understand why Britons might get pissed if a bunch of ignorant fuckfaces who know nothing and care to know nothing call their NHS 'socialist' or even 'evil'.
Here's British MEP Daniel Hannan discussing Britain's healthcare system on Glenn Beck's program.
[youtube]rLyj1cVSaP0[/youtube]
Apparently he doesn't think it works.
Apparently you didn't watch the videos I posted.
Here's British MEP Daniel Hannan discussing Britain's healthcare system on Glenn Beck's program.
[youtube]rLyj1cVSaP0[/youtube]
Apparently he doesn't think it works.
Apparently you didn't watch the videos I posted.
Not completely no, but if you want to drag some British people into defend the system it's just as easy to drag British people in who see the problems with their system.
Apparently you didn't watch the videos I posted.
Not completely no, but if you want to drag some British people into defend the system it's just as easy to drag British people in who see the problems with their system.
This is not about pointing out problems. Everyone living in Britain knows that there are problems with NHS and most of them even are aware of most of the problems. This is about ignorant Americans spewing outright lies about the NHS, such as - grandma's gonna die! There's not a perfect system out there. However, while we're obsessing about the very rare cases when it does not work, how about the overwhelming majority of cases where it does work? How many times does that get mentioned? I wish people didn't just make up their minds before they even enter the discussion and then justify their irrational belief by making outrageous shit up (such as - grandma's gonna die!, etc.) I'm glad that there is a very involved discussion going on in the States about this issue as it should be, however, I also wish people would get a bit more rational and less emotional about these issues. Answer to fallacy number one: having some sort of NHS doesn't make your country a 'socialist' one.
I think people are mostly just scared of what they don't know - which is logical - but instead of trying to get to know it, they immediately shun it - which is not logical, that's reactionary.
Not completely no, but if you want to drag some British people into defend the system it's just as easy to drag British people in who see the problems with their system.
This is not about pointing out problems. Everyone living in Britain knows that there are problems with NHS and most of them even are aware of most of the problems. This is about ignorant Americans spewing outright lies about the NHS, such as - grandma's gonna die! There's not a perfect system out there. However, while we're obsessing about the very rare cases when it does not work, how about the overwhelming majority of cases where it does work? How many times does that get mentioned? I wish people didn't just make up their minds before they even enter the discussion and then justify their irrational belief by making outrageous shit up (such as - grandma's gonna die!, etc.) I'm glad that there is a very involved discussion going on in the States about this issue as it should be, however, I also wish people would get a bit more rational and less emotional about these issues. Answer to fallacy number one: having some sort of NHS doesn't make your country a 'socialist' one.
I think people are mostly just scared of what they don't know - which is logical - but instead of trying to get to know it, they immediately shun it - which is not logical, that's reactionary.
I don't think the "grandma's gonna die" comments came from a comparison to Britain's system, but from a clause that was in the actual bill regarding end of life care. However, as Daniel Hannan discusses in the video I provided, I certainly wouldn't want to be old under a government run system and have them decide I wasn't worthy of care.
This is not about pointing out problems. Everyone living in Britain knows that there are problems with NHS and most of them even are aware of most of the problems. This is about ignorant Americans spewing outright lies about the NHS, such as - grandma's gonna die! There's not a perfect system out there. However, while we're obsessing about the very rare cases when it does not work, how about the overwhelming majority of cases where it does work? How many times does that get mentioned? I wish people didn't just make up their minds before they even enter the discussion and then justify their irrational belief by making outrageous shit up (such as - grandma's gonna die!, etc.) I'm glad that there is a very involved discussion going on in the States about this issue as it should be, however, I also wish people would get a bit more rational and less emotional about these issues. Answer to fallacy number one: having some sort of NHS doesn't make your country a 'socialist' one.
I think people are mostly just scared of what they don't know - which is logical - but instead of trying to get to know it, they immediately shun it - which is not logical, that's reactionary.
I don't think the "grandma's gonna die" comments came from a comparison to Britain's system, but from a clause that was in the actual bill regarding end of life care. However, as Daniel Hannan discusses in the video I provided, I certainly wouldn't want to be old under a government run system and have them decide I wasn't worthy of care.
And if you watched the videos I posted, you'd also find out that grandma is not going to die... (in other words, she will be 'worthy of care' until she finally exhales).
Who gives a fuck ... they don't live here, and they don't make our laws, when our politicians emulate them, we are allowed to use their problems as reasons not to.
What I don't uderstand is how so much money that people pay for health insurance is sloshing around washington paying off politicans and making massive profits for insuance companys surely that money would be better off in the acuall health care system.
Free health care is seen as a right in many countries not just the UK and OK the Britsh system isn't perfect but I think the US would do a better job of it. everybody else does, the German health care system is way better. I think a US N.H.S. would be of a simular standard.
Who gives a fuck ... they don't live here, and they don't make our laws, when our politicians emulate them, we are allowed to use their problems as reasons not to.
Well, we couldn't give a fuck about your system or your politics.Nothing to do with us. But we sure as hell give a fuck when foreign politicians criticise and distort the truth about our systems to further their OWN fucking political agendas! Two groups of people who are the same the world over. Politicians and journalists. Fucking liars and self serving wankers!
Who gives a fuck ... they don't live here, and they don't make our laws, when our politicians emulate them, we are allowed to use their problems as reasons not to.
Well, we couldn't give a fuck about your system or your politics.Nothing to do with us. But we sure as hell give a fuck when foreign politicians criticise and distort the truth about our systems to further their OWN fucking political agendas! Two groups of people who are the same the world over. Politicians and journalists. Fucking liars and self serving wankers!
Really ... what difference would it make in your country if our people here want to know both sides, the good and the bad, of any system. If you think the "good" part of your system isn't blown out of proportion you are fooling yourself. You also don't have the same problems as we do here, you also don't have the mob boss called the FDA there, and your country is moving forward in a lot of areas, you can't expect to be perfect. The strong countries are those that admit they have problems. Even Canada has admitted theirs isn't perfect. But that's all moot, we are not trying to force, or even convince, your government to change anything, we are trying to bring all problems and possible problems to light here, so we don't blindly jump into something that will ruin us.
Who gives a fuck ... they don't live here, and they don't make our laws, when our politicians emulate them, we are allowed to use their problems as reasons not to.
Well, we couldn't give a fuck about your system or your politics.Nothing to do with us. But we sure as hell give a fuck when foreign politicians criticise and distort the truth about our systems to further their OWN fucking political agendas! Two groups of people who are the same the world over. Politicians and journalists. Fucking liars and self serving wankers!
Really ... what difference would it make in your country if our people here want to know both sides, the good and the bad, of any system. If you think the "good" part of your system isn't blown out of proportion you are fooling yourself. You also don't have the same problems as we do here, you also don't have the mob boss called the FDA there, and your country is moving forward in a lot of areas, you can't expect to be perfect. The strong countries are those that admit they have problems. Even Canada has admitted theirs isn't perfect. But that's all moot, we are not trying to force, or even convince, your government to change anything, we are trying to bring all problems and possible problems to light here, so we don't blindly jump into something that will ruin us.
I'm responding to your attitude as per this. Your 'fuck them' attitude:
Who gives a fuck ... they don't live here, and they don't make our laws, when our politicians emulate them, we are allowed to use their problems as reasons not to.
Furthermore, having lived with the system for 33 years I am well aware of the benefits and problems of our own system and don't need any lectures from you. Particularly since your knowledge of the NHS has, no doubt, been gleaned from propaganda cherry-picked to support the political agendas of foreign politicians who are pro or anti.
Really ... what difference would it make in your country if our people here want to know both sides, the good and the bad, of any system. If you think the "good" part of your system isn't blown out of proportion you are fooling yourself. You also don't have the same problems as we do here, you also don't have the mob boss called the FDA there, and your country is moving forward in a lot of areas, you can't expect to be perfect. The strong countries are those that admit they have problems. Even Canada has admitted theirs isn't perfect. But that's all moot, we are not trying to force, or even convince, your government to change anything, we are trying to bring all problems and possible problems to light here, so we don't blindly jump into something that will ruin us.
I'm responding to your attitude as per this. Your 'fuck them' attitude:
Who gives a fuck ... they don't live here, and they don't make our laws, when our politicians emulate them, we are allowed to use their problems as reasons not to.
Furthermore, having lived with the system for 33 years I am well aware of the benefits and problems of our own system and don't need any lectures from you. Particularly since your knowledge of the NHS has, no doubt, been gleaned from propaganda cherry-picked to support the political agendas of foreign politicians who are pro or anti.
You are correct they only take one or the other never take everything into consideration then make an informed decision. By just taking the bad and harping on it ignoring any good that comes out of it is ignorant to say the least. If you attack another countries way of life you should expect them to defend it just like we would if someone attacked our way of life.
