Want to cut taxes??

[Mr. Shaman]

the record $708 billion military spending called for by the obama administration for fiscal 2011 will be nearly equivalent to the military spending of all other nations in the world combined.

obamacrats are spending more money on the wars than the bushrepubs did, wow!

the total cost of wars since 2001 is only $1 trillion to date. a third of this cost has been added since obama took office.

Btw, that pie cart posted by the op only shows the u.s. Discretionary budget. The true budget looks much different.

Yeah.....keep tap-dancin' around the fact BUSH LIED!!!!!!!!!!!​

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

Obama's stimulus, passed in his first month in office, will cost more than the entire Iraq War

You lie.

The Iraq War will cost us more than $3 trillion. The measures in the stimulus bill are nominally worth $787 billion.

I never lie. Those figures, that I linked, were from the govt. You, on the other hand, provided no link for the bogus numbers you presented.

The Iraq War will cost us more than $3 trillion. The measures in the stimulus bill are nominally worth $787 billion.

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

I chalk it up to stunned disbelief that anyone could ask such a naïve question.

I have added your name to the list of people who haven't been able to point out even one regulation they believe is unreasonable.

PS: Are you one of those middle aged white tea beggar dudes who has failed to achieve financial success and blames it all on the government?

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

Are you really this fucking stupid??

Do you kiss your mother with that filthy mouth?

the meaning of the combination is not as simple as the 'most common' meaning of the 2 words

The term "general welfare" is ambiguous. It could mean a lot of things.

George Mason, at the Virginia Ratification Convention, argued that "general welfare" could be construed to include restrictions on the press and the destruction of trial by jury.

I say we just plug in the most usual and most known significations and move on.

And provide for the general welfare is NOT an enumerated power.

Among the enumerated powers, Congress are to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, and to pay the debts, and to provide for the general welfare and common defence.

--George Mason​

 

[johnrocks]

The United States is a nation greatly burdened by a prohibitive tax code that stifles prospective economic growth and endangers our future.

Every time someone complains about too much government regulation, I ask them to tell me about a regulation they believe is unreasonable. So far, not one of them has told me about even one regulation they believe is unreasonable.

If I bring one up, it gets defended. I can tell you two that I think that are stupid AND unreasonable. During Bush's Administration there was a regulation written that mandates the hole size in Swiss Cheese, been around since Christ was in a manger but all of a sudden in 2004 or whenever, some klutz decided that the holes needed to be regulated then banning Pseudoephedrine from being allowed to be sold on the counter, I got to now show ID to the Pharmacist and sign my name that will be kept on file for 5 years just to get my Sudafed and can only get so much and it hasn't done any good, people are still doing crystal meth but people like me are inconvenienced.

Now defend away!

 

[DiamondDave]

Are you really this fucking stupid??

Do you kiss your mother with that filthy mouth?

the meaning of the combination is not as simple as the 'most common' meaning of the 2 words

The term "general welfare" is ambiguous. It could mean a lot of things.

George Mason, at the Virginia Ratification Convention, argued that "general welfare" could be construed to include restrictions on the press and the destruction of trial by jury.

I say we just plug in the most usual and most known significations and move on.

And provide for the general welfare is NOT an enumerated power.

Among the enumerated powers, Congress are to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, and to pay the debts, and to provide for the general welfare and common defence.

--George Mason​

The term general welfare has a very specific meaning, you twit... it is the overall well being of a unit as a whole... .it is not ambiguous, it was specifically written that way in terms of the 'whole' being the country made up of the states and created by the states... otherwise known as the UNION.... it is the welfare of the UNION that is to be provided for... not each and every little tidbit within the union....

What YOU say is irrelevant... as you have an OBVIOUS agenda of a socialist and statist nature...

And again, you buffoon.... general welfare as YOU put it is not an enumerated power.. the general welfare of the United States IS an enumerated power.. and it has been shown to you what the entire phrase means in comparison to your partial phrase out of context

Not also that welfare (as in 'taking care of the poor' or 'public assistance') was not defined in the 18th and 19th century as it is by liberal left wingers such as yourself

Welfare, from early Webster, as related to STATES (notice not INDIVIDUALS)... Exemption from any unusual evil or calamity; the enjoyment of peace and prosperity, or the ordinary blessings of society and civil government; applied to states.

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

a regulation mandates the hole size in Swiss Cheese

What size must the holes be?

 

[Oddball]

Are you really this fucking stupid??

Do you kiss your mother with that filthy mouth?

the meaning of the combination is not as simple as the 'most common' meaning of the 2 words

The term "general welfare" is ambiguous. It could mean a lot of things.

George Mason, at the Virginia Ratification Convention, argued that "general welfare" could be construed to include restrictions on the press and the destruction of trial by jury.

I say we just plug in the most usual and most known significations and move on.

And provide for the general welfare is NOT an enumerated power.

Among the enumerated powers, Congress are to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, and to pay the debts, and to provide for the general welfare and common defence.

--George Mason​

I note you've oh-so conveniently skirted around what both Madison and Jefferson had to say about what "general welfare" did and didn't mean.

I can't blame you, though, as their words completely blow your asinine notions out of the water.

 

[johnrocks]

a regulation mandates the hole size in Swiss Cheese

What size must the holes be?

between 3/8” and 11/16” for the cheese to qualify as Grade A or B. Anything bigger or smaller and the cheese is relegated to the barely-edible Grade C. Even if the cheese is otherwise perfect. Here is a starting point
USDA amends Swiss cheese regulations

Here are the regulations just on Swiss Cheese
http://google2.fda.gov/search?q=Swi...ylesheet=FDAgov&output=xml_no_dtd&getfields=*


And people wonder why so many are violated, it's because a computer is the only thing that can keep up with regulations!

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

The term general welfare has a very specific meaning

Nope, you're wrong.

"General welfare" means whatever Congress says it means.

 

[johnrocks]

The term general welfare has a very specific meaning

Nope, you're wrong.

"General welfare" means whatever Congress says it means.

That is what it has come to but as Oddball showed, that is not what Madison intended.

 

[KissMy]

the record $708 billion military spending called for by the Obama administration for fiscal 2011 will be nearly equivalent to the military spending of all other nations in the world combined.

Obamacrats are spending more money on the wars than the Bushrepubs did, WOW!

The Total Cost of Wars Since 2001 is only $1 Trillion to date. A third of this cost has been added since Obama took office.

BTW, That Pie Cart posted by the OP only shows the U.S. discretionary budget. The true Budget looks much different.

Yeah.....keep tap-dancin' around the fact BUSH LIED!!!!!!!!!!!​

You & Democrats Lie daily on here. Even the OP lied. The OP Chart is misrepresented.

 

[lizzie]

equivalent to the military spending of all other nations in the world combined. When it comes to military appropriations, the U.S. government already spends about seven times as much as China, thirteen times as much as Russia, and seventy-three times as much as Iran.

Fortunately, defense spending is a constitutionally mandated expense, whereas most of our federal budget is not, and all the unconstitutional spending is what will break us. Admittedly, we spend way too much on defense because we can't keep our noses out of the rest of the world.

Secondly, it takes over half of the budget as the pie chart below explains.




http://tiny.cc/1drjw

Your posted pie chart appears to be from the war resistors site, so I would expect there is just a bit of bias there. The dept of defense and the dept of veterans affairs accounts for just under 35% of the total 2010 FY budget, whereas Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, Chip, and other social safety net progrmas make up 55% of the budget. The great majority of federal expenditures is grossly over-bloated, but it's not defense that is killing us. It all needs huge cuts across the board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fy2010_spending_by_category.jpg
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258
　

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I chalk it up to stunned disbelief that anyone could ask such a naïve question.

I have added your name to the list of people who haven't been able to point out even one regulation they believe is unreasonable.

PS: Are you one of those middle aged white tea beggar dudes who has failed to achieve financial success and blames it all on the government?

....After "conservatives" convinced him.....even HE could become a 1%er; one day!!!!!!

 

[rightwinger]

The term general welfare has a very specific meaning

Nope, you're wrong.

"General welfare" means whatever Congress says it means.

And is supported by our Judicial system. If Diamond Dave is unhappy with the accepted definition of General Welfare, he can take it up with the courts.

There is 200 years of legal precidence defining the scope of General Welfare.

 

[Oddball]

The term general welfare has a very specific meaning

Nope, you're wrong.

"General welfare" means whatever Congress says it means.

And is supported by our Judicial system. If Diamond Dave is unhappy with the accepted definition of General Welfare, he can take it up with the courts.

There is 200 years of legal precidence defining the scope of General Welfare.

No, it's only the last 80-100 years of progressives and their Orwellian re-interpreting of original intent.

 

[DiamondDave]

The term general welfare has a very specific meaning

Nope, you're wrong.

"General welfare" means whatever Congress says it means.

And is supported by our Judicial system. If Diamond Dave is unhappy with the accepted definition of General Welfare, he can take it up with the courts.

There is 200 years of legal precidence defining the scope of General Welfare.

No... there is not 200 years of precedent... nice unsubstantiated claim though, wrongwinger

But you are right that I am unhappy with the progressive bastardization of 'the general welfare of the united states' (still love how your wingers love to leave the last part off) that has resulted in the expansion of government for the sake of power

 

[DiamondDave]

The term general welfare has a very specific meaning

Nope, you're wrong.

"General welfare" means whatever Congress says it means.

WRONG.. that is why we have a constitution... and not direct representative rule or popular vote rule

Try to remember the SPECIFIC powers granted to the congress via our constitution... limited scope of powers

Nice try though... I would suggest a little education beyond 6th grade

 

[rightwinger]

Nope, you're wrong.

"General welfare" means whatever Congress says it means.

And is supported by our Judicial system. If Diamond Dave is unhappy with the accepted definition of General Welfare, he can take it up with the courts.

There is 200 years of legal precidence defining the scope of General Welfare.

No, it's only the last 80-100 years of progressives and their Orwellian re-interpreting of original intent.

Its still the law....


Courts get to decide the scope of the Constitution, not Message Board Posters

 

[lizzie]

And is supported by our Judicial system. If Diamond Dave is unhappy with the accepted definition of General Welfare, he can take it up with the courts.

There is 200 years of legal precidence defining the scope of General Welfare.

No, it's only the last 80-100 years of progressives and their Orwellian re-interpreting of original intent.

Its still the law....


Courts get to decide the scope of the Constitution, not Message Board Posters

What will decide it in the end is financial ruin and reality.