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    Thank you for taking the time to read what I need to share. To show my appreciation, I believe it is only fair to warn you about what follows. There is a chance that I may anger you. You may call me a conspiracy nut or even a traitor, but Samuel Clemens, better known as Mark Twain, once said:

    "...the citizen who thinks he sees that the commonwealth's political clothes are worn out, and yet holds his peace and does not agitate for a new suit, is disloyal; he is a traitor."

    I used to think things were going just fine. I was born into a nation of honor and dignity. I could almost feel my heart swell with pride when I thought about the greatness of the United States of America. Now, the only greatness I see is in individuals and in our potential. I know that the majority of the American people are caring and compassionate, but you are not ruled by the majority. You are ruled by bankers and egomaniacs who DO NOT have your best interests in mind. In the early 1900's, J.P. Morgan used his influence to create a rumor that a New York City financial institution went bankrupt and Americans cleaned out our private banks, forcing them to get loans, causing their recipients to sell their properties, thus a spiral of bankruptcies and repossessions ensued. We have been slaves of debt to them ever since. In the mid 1900's, banker David Rockefeller, as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations said:

    "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications, whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

    Since ancient times, governments have realized that the people can be controlled with fear. I know it is hard for many to imagine, but that is the reason for World War 1, World War 2, the Vietnam War, and the War on Terror. George W. Bush said:

    "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great nation. We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland."

    Actually, Bush's writers can't take credit for that line. It is from the lips of Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler used his people's religion as a tool against them. Adolf Hitler staged an attack on his own people and blamed it on communist terrorists. Shortly after, he passed the Enabling Act, which completely eradicated the the German constitution, destroying people's liberties. He then led a series of preemptive wars that were justified to the German people as necessary to maintaining HOMELAND SECURITY.

    In this modern age, we have the ability to speak to the world, not just our countrymen. You should swallow your pride and get to know them. You should be concerned with what they are saying. You should understand the seriousness of our actions as a whole. If you really want to fight for what you believe in, don't you think it is important for your beliefs to be backed by facts? When will you wake up?! When will you care to find the truth instead of believing what you are told by your television? When will you stand up for yourself, your family, and your neighbors?

    I know I sound crazy. I don't expect you to take my word for it. I want you to challenge me.

    Our beloved former president, John F. Kennedy, once made it clear to us what was happening. In case you've forgotten, or perhaps you never heard it, it goes as follows:

    "...we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covet means for expanding it's sphere of influence on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combined military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. It's preparations are concealed, not published. It's mistakes are buried, not headlined. It's dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned. No secret is revealed. That is why the Athenian lawmaker, Solon, decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. Confident that with your help, man will be what he was born to be. Free and independent."

    In the case of 9/11 there is proof that our government has taken hold of our pursuit of happiness and ripped it from our hearts. Please prove me wrong. There is nothing I want more than to be wrong. It hurts too much to know the truth. Today, there are two ways to pursue happiness: to ignore the world around you or to change the world around you. Ultimately, you make the decision, but you should be ashamed of yourself for not caring enough, or caring, but not doing enough.

    If they continue to get away with this, we are doomed. Please don't let them. Find the facts and spread them like gospel. Your freedom is at stake! Millions are speaking out on the World Wide Web and it is your duty as an American to join them. One person is easily silenced. Millions united are steadfast and undeniable. Let them have their guns and bombs. We do not need violence to make change. The answer is education. Shake your neighbor out of his stupor with facts. Show him what he has been blind to due to the media and his own denial. Have faith in yourself and humanity, for it is the only way.
     
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    I pretty much agree with you, as I'm not arrogant enough to think the U.S. can do no wrong. I'm hard-pressed to actually say that I have "proof" of ANY conspiracy, but there are some where I think the government is just as hard-pressed to show any, themselves.

    I don't claim to know what happened on 9/11, but I definitely have a problem with the official story. I won't bother getting into what parts I have a problem with, as I for one, am not into debating the issue. All I will say is that I feel like i would have to be completely ignorant to the obvious to believe certain parts of the official story...all the way down to micro-cosms within it.

    I also share in your belief that our economy, and a large percentage of our political "roster", is under some type of control from internationally connected banks. Simply "following the money" can lead one to this conclusion.

    I certainly don't trust the Council on Foreign Relations. They claim to be a "non-partisan", "non-profit", "independant", think tank...but how do i not question an organization that includes memberships of people the likes of Dick Cheney (who [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg"]IN THIS VIDEO[/ame] is shown admitting to the CFR panel WITH A LAUGH, that he [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg"][/ame]purposely kept his membership and directorship of the CFR a secret during his 2000 campaign with Bush), David Rockefeller, an extensive bi-partisan list of congresspeople like Lee Hamilton (co-chair of the 9/11 commission), Lieberman, Feinstein, HILLARY, Newt, Chris Dodd, Bob Graham, Charlie Rangel...Most Presidents of the US, Alan Greenspan and many other Fed members, CEO's, and so many directors from the board of Chase Manhattan Bank and other notable banks in ths US...Some Supreme Court justices, like Ginsburg and O'Connor...Many high-ranking US Military members...Ex-cabinet secretaries like Donald Rumsfeld...SO MANY people from major corporations in this country like Energy corps, Defense Contractors (How many Blackwater heads do you think there are?)...Major media heads like George Stephanopolis, David Brinkley, Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather, Barbara Walters, Diane Sawyer, i mean the media list is practically endless. I'm sorry, but a connection between politicians and the media in ANY WAY is a conflict of interest, LET ALONE in an organization which admittedly has a huge amount of influence on US Policy and affairs.

    You can basically come to one of 2 conclusions in this case...either it's a completely benevolent organization of people coming together on ideas (which even in itself STILL seems like a conflict of interest considering the diverse group of influential people throughout the global political/corporate spectrum), or that it's actually a malevolent institution that actually intentionally creates policy that benefits interests other than the people of the US's.

    I've done enough reading about them and connecting so many members together which shouldn't be connecting with each other, that I conclude they are the latter.

    It's been programmed into people's minds that to think like this makes you a conspiracy nut, but i say label me how you want. At least when/if the shit ever hits the fan, I'll know i was right all along, and was one step ahead of the skeptics.

    I don't wish for this to cause fighting among people. I'm so tired of seeing people fight over such petty shit in this country. I long for the opportunity to be able to proudly claim the motto of "United We Stand" once again, if not anytime soon, then at least for my 2 kids, and all the other kids who are going to one day be at the helm in the United States.
     
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    The reason I am so adamant about being proven wrong is because I know that anyone who tries will discover the truth. Here is some proof:

    There are videos that show an extra compartment on the bottom of the second plane, the type of compartment used for missiles on military planes.

    The video of Osama bin Laden taking credit for 9/11 is obviously not Osama.

    The twin towers were closed two weeks before 9/11 for the weekend. This has never happened before.

    In multiple on-site reports, you can hear explosions and there are several reports of explosions by witnesses.

    Building 7 was reported as collapsed in Italy before it had fallen.

    There are pictures showing the vertical beams in the twin towers were cut at 45 degree angles, just like demo experts do to prep a building for demolition.

    A massive plane called the E4B was spotted flying over the whitehouse that day. The E4B is the same plane as Airforce One. It is a mobile command station capable of piloting remote control aircrafts and launching missiles from the ground. Our government has no explanation as to why it was flying.

    Never before have aircraft disintegrated into tiny pieces like they did that day.

    There is more evidence every day. No one can map out exactly what happened that day, but our government was obviously involved. It's absolutely sick.

    There is tons of information out there. Loose Change is okay, but they draw too many conclusions. Then again, they change it as they go, making it more and more accurate. 9/11 Mysteries is good and so is 9/11 Ripple Effect. All of these are available online to watch for free. Another movie I highly suggest is Zeitgeist which is also free. It debunks religion in the first part, but it also talks about 9/11 and explains why our government would do such a horrible thing. Educate yourselves. Don't settle for the optimistic point of view.
     
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    You and EOTS should be fast friends.
     
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    Don't forget those meds today, sarge.
     
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    The people that need med are the ones that keep claiming that our Government somehow pulled off 9/11 and no one has ever talked about it. Bush can't take a shit without us knowing, but somehow he hijacked 4 planes, blew up 3 buildings and murdered thousands and managed to pin it on Muslim terrorists. And he has managed for 6 years to keep it completely quiet. Not one leak, no one has talked. No one has any real evidence.
     
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    What? There is more evidence supporting an inside job than there is one supporting the box cutter lie. If you really cared to know the truth, you would know this. I don't want to think that our freedom is being compromised by our own government, but I'm not going to just believe what I'm told because Uncle Sam says so. They think of themselves as intellectually elite and you are proving them right.
     
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    There is NOT ONE shred of evidence the Government was involved at all. Further the fact that NO ONE has ever "spilled" the beans is further proof of the ignorance of those claims.
     
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    :eusa_wall: The evidence is insurmountable. While the evidence does not show exactly what happened, it proves without a doubt that the official explanation is a lie. I am baffled that you refuse to acknowledge the possibility. As a child, I couldn't fathom how the German people would back Adolf Hitler as they did, but now I see. These are the same tactics he used and they are going to be the downfall of our country if we're not careful. Believing every word that your president says does not make you a patriot, Sarge. I know your military training tells you otherwise, but you should always question authority. Instead of yelling BS, you should try to find some facts.
     
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    I do not believe every word a politician says. But nice try. Your delusional fantasy that the US Government somehow pulled off 9/11 is ignorant in the extreme.

    Because the Government hasn't told us everything they may or MAY NOT know does not equate to them covering up that they did it. That is the ignorant part. This Government can not keep a secret , this particular administration is full of leaks. In order to believe the Government is covering up they did it requires that you believe EVERY Agency State and Federal, every investigator, local State and Federal, is in on the great conspiracy.

    It requires that you believe that every air traffic controller on the eastern seaboard, every air base and every air national guard base was in on the plan. It requires you to believe that an untold number of operatives all have either been murdered ( with us ever noticing) or have remained silent for 6 years and counting. It requires you to believe that the old NORAD command was in on the plot as well, including Generals down to privates and airmen.

    It requires you to believe that either this administration somehow tricked Arab terrorists into doing the dirty deed on a specific day OR that they found men willing to commit suicide for George Bush. Or that the planes never existed, which requires even MORE people be in on the great lie.

    If a missile hit the pentagon, what happened to the hijacked aircraft? Who fired the missile and from where? Hell an even easier one, WHAT missile can cause the type of damage evident at the Pentagon?

    Why are there conspiracy theories that say a) no plane wreckage was found at the Pentagon and B) the wrong wreckage was found there? It can not be both, they exclude one another.

    It requires us to belief that Bush planned executed and covered up this huge attack all in less than 9 months. That he was then so stupid he forgot it was going to happen and went to read a book to children at a school in Florida. Or that secretly Cheney did the deed with out Bush even knowing.

    In short, to believe that this Government pulled it off is both ignorant and loony tunes.
     

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