the_human_being
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Every person I have spoken with that has Obamacare hate it. That includes die hard moron liberals that I know.
I would bet the liberals you allegedly know hate ObamaCare for entirely different reasons than why the right wing does.
Liberals hate ObamaCare for not going far enough. They want single payer. And they are going to get it, too. In our lifetimes.
You think I will let you pathetic liberals forget about this?
You like that video, eh? I guess you failed to notice how Obama's statements were taken out of context.
For example, here is the context of what he was talking about in the second clip.
His eliminating "employer coverage" – not "private" coverage – comment is about people buying insurance through this exchange or "pool" rather than through their jobs so insurance would be portable. Here are Obama’s comments in context:
Obama, March 24, 2007: Another principle is that it’s going to have to be some form of pooling of costs of risk. And there are going to be a number of proposals, and they’re out. I heard in some of the previous questions that one pool would be the federal pool that already exists for myself and other federal workers. Some states, like California and Massachusetts, already started to set up their pools. Whatever the mechanism, we going to have to have a pooling system so that individuals have the benefits of being part of a larger group. …
As I indicated before, I think that we’re going to have to have some system where people can buy into a larger pool. Right now their pool typically is the employer, but there are other ways of doing it. I would like to — I would hope that we could set up a system that allows those who can go through their employer to access a federal system or a state pool of some sort. But I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There’s going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out where we’ve got a much more portable system. Employers still have the option of providing coverage, but many people may find that they get better coverage, or at least coverage that gives them more for health care dollars than they spend outside of their employer. And I think we’ve got to facilitate that and let individuals make that choice to transition out of employer coverage.
Eliminating employer-sponsored health insurance is an idea whose time is long past due. Making insurance more portable would be a very good thing.
Tell that to my employees. Some of them have checked with the exchange and found that their deductibles are going through the roof. The BCBS major plan I provide through my company's contract with BCBS offers them a $300.00 individual deductible and a $700.00 family deductible and is accepted by almost every medical provider. The exchange plans are very restrictive in provider participation.