Wait...how was she shot to death in Australia....they banned and confiscated guns...right?

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    Oh by the way, President Trump wasn't droning kids in Muslim countries like the last president did. Shame you dont remember instances like that.
     
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    The US is bankrupt morally, especially our politicians. btw, not a Dem.
     
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    Australia's gun crime was going down before the ban and has continued at the same rate after the ban. There was no statistical 'drop off' as one would expect. In fact, many Aussies just went out a got another gun after turning in their grandfathers shotgun.
     
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    Maybe because so many folks believe that bullshit propaganda. It's the way Neo-Marxist, socialist, Democrats control people's thinking.
     
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    Your side is especially bankrupt morally. Nothing but hate for your fellow Americans. Civil discourse is now impossible.
     
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    Aussie murder rate five times LOWER than the US
    you argument is very childish
     
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    The Australian murder rate was 5 times lower before they banned guns....it didn't change after they banned guns...so your hypothesis...Less Guns = Less gun crime...is wrong....since nothing changed after they banned guns......

    And public shootings still happen there.....it didn't stop that either....

    Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

    University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”

    “Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”

    A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.

    The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”
     
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    Culture, not guns, is the issue...

    Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

    The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

    Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

    These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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    Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

    Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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    While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

    Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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    These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

    “They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

    “It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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    Gun crime soars
    In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

    The investigation has found:

    • There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
    • Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
    • The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
    • Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
    • Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts
    In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
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    The second part of the series....
    Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


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    'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

    Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

    The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


    And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.
     
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    so the American culture is the same as Aussie???!!!!
    hahahahah
     
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    and what about France, Germany, UK, etc?
    ....''gun'' controlled LA, CHicago, NY City all have much lower murder rates than pro-''gun'' St Louis
    SAME country SAME culture
    hahahahhahahahha
     

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