Voter Fraud: We’ve Got Proof It’s Easy

[Freewill]

Voter Fraud: We’ve Got Proof It’s Easy

You’d think more media outlets would have been interested, because the sloppiness revealed in the DOI report is mind-boggling. Young undercover agents were able to vote using the names of people three times their age, people who in fact were dead. In one example, a 24-year female agent gave the name of someone who had died in 2012 at age 87; the workers at the Manhattan polling site gave her a ballot, no questions asked. Even the two cases where poll workers turned away an investigator raise eyebrows. In the first case, a poll worker on Staten Island walked outside with the undercover investigator who had just been refused a ballot; the “voter” was advised to go to the polling place near where he used to live and “play dumb” in order to vote. In the second case, the investigator was stopped from voting only because the felon whose name he was using was the son of the election official at the polling place.

And this:

Opposing view: In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds

In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds. In recent years, my office has secured more than 50 voter fraud convictions. Those include a woman who voted in place of her dead mother, a political operative who cast ballots for two people, and a city councilmember who registered foreign nationals to vote in an election decided by 19 votes. Voter fraud is hard to detect, so cases like these are just the tip of the iceberg.

In 2011, Texas enacted a photo-identification requirement modeled after Indiana's. Our Legislature agreed with the Supreme Court that this requirement is a simple, effective way to prevent fraud. History also shows that voter turnout has increased after voter ID laws were enacted, and because Texas provides voter ID cards free of charge, no Texan's voting rights will be affected.

 

[william the wie]

What happened to the NYC thread?

 

[g5000]

There is no proof those weaknesses have been exploited, much less that elections have had different outcomes because of them.

Those weaknesses are very easily solved. When someone dies or moves, they should be removed from the voter registration roll.

Cure the disease, not the symptom.

Duh.

 

[Freewill]

From the actual report: http://www.nyc.gov/html/doi/downloads/pdf/2013/dec 13/BOE Unit Report12-30-2013.pdf

• Voter Roll Deficiencies. After receiving an allegation from a former BOE
employee that ineligible voters remained on the voter rolls, DOI checked
multiple databases at random to generate a list of approximately 175 individuals
who had either died, become a convicted felon, or had moved outside the City.
Using that list, DOI ascertained that they had each at one time been registered
voters in the City. During DOI’s Citywide 2013 Election Day investigative
operations, DOI sought to determine whether any of them remained in BOE’s
registration books and to test whether investigators using the names of those
ineligible individuals would be permitted to vote. DOI found that 63 of the
ineligible individuals (or 36%) were still listed as eligible voters in the
registration books at poll sites. The majority of those 63 ineligible individuals
remained on the rolls nearly two years or longer since a death, felony
conviction, or move outside of the City.
DOI investigators posed as the 63 ineligible individuals still on the voter rolls
and were permitted to obtain, mark, and submit ballots in the scanners or the
lever booths in 61 instances (or approximately 97%).2 In five instances, DOI
investigators in their twenties and thirties posed as individuals whose ages, as
recorded in the registration books, ranged from 82 to 94, and despite the
obvious disparity, the investigators were given ballots or access to lever booths
without question by the BOE poll workers.
BOE personnel explained that ineligible individuals might remain on the rolls
pending receipt and verification of various notifications that BOE receives from
the New York State Board of Elections (“State BOE&#8221 and other sources,
including, for example, verbal reports from voters of changes in residence or
from family members about the death of a voter.

 

[Indeependent]

Neither party wants electronic voting.

 

[Freewill]

There is no proof those weaknesses have been exploited, much less that elections have had different outcomes because of them.

Those weaknesses are very easily solved. When someone dies or moves, they should be removed from the voter registration roll.

Cure the disease, not the symptom.

Duh.

The disease is not people on the voter rolls that should not be, that is a symptom. The disease is voter disenfranchisement when someone votes fraudulently. I assume right now people are suppose to be removed from the rolls and are not in a timely manner. So stop the disease by having people prove whom they are, in that way no matter what anyone does, like not remove dead people or people who just don't vote but are registered, does not matter. I would think you would be arguing just the opposite of what you are arguing. What we should do is get rid of the registration process. THAT is more cumbersome then having a photo id. How does the homeless that you say you worry about get registered? By someone walking about with cards? This in itself could corrupt the vote.

So it would be easy. Have a photo id proving a person lives where they say and they are not a felon then they get to vote. Both requirements would be very easy to verify via a computer.

 

[Freewill]

come on folks there is so much to comment on in the report. Like the reaction of the cheating democrats to the DOI investigation.

 

[g5000]

There is no proof those weaknesses have been exploited, much less that elections have had different outcomes because of them.

Those weaknesses are very easily solved. When someone dies or moves, they should be removed from the voter registration roll.

Cure the disease, not the symptom.

Duh.

The disease is not people on the voter rolls that should not be, that is a symptom. The disease is voter disenfranchisement when someone votes fraudulently.

Two things. First, you have no idea what disenfranchisement is since you misused the term. Second, you have no evidence of in-person fraud actually occurring!

 

[g5000]

From the actual report: http://www.nyc.gov/html/doi/downloads/pdf/2013/dec 13/BOE Unit Report12-30-2013.pdf

• Voter Roll Deficiencies. After receiving an allegation from a former BOE
employee that ineligible voters remained on the voter rolls, DOI checked
multiple databases at random to generate a list of approximately 175 individuals
who had either died, become a convicted felon, or had moved outside the City.
Using that list, DOI ascertained that they had each at one time been registered
voters in the City. During DOI’s Citywide 2013 Election Day investigative
operations, DOI sought to determine whether any of them remained in BOE’s
registration books and to test whether investigators using the names of those
ineligible individuals would be permitted to vote. DOI found that 63 of the
ineligible individuals (or 36%) were still listed as eligible voters in the
registration books at poll sites. The majority of those 63 ineligible individuals
remained on the rolls nearly two years or longer since a death, felony
conviction, or move outside of the City.
DOI investigators posed as the 63 ineligible individuals still on the voter rolls
and were permitted to obtain, mark, and submit ballots in the scanners or the
lever booths in 61 instances (or approximately 97%).2 In five instances, DOI
investigators in their twenties and thirties posed as individuals whose ages, as
recorded in the registration books, ranged from 82 to 94, and despite the
obvious disparity, the investigators were given ballots or access to lever booths
without question by the BOE poll workers.
BOE personnel explained that ineligible individuals might remain on the rolls
pending receipt and verification of various notifications that BOE receives from
the New York State Board of Elections (“State BOE&#8221 and other sources,
including, for example, verbal reports from voters of changes in residence or
from family members about the death of a voter.

So here is what you should be asking yourself.

Since the DOI was easily able to find these dead people, why are you not demanding someone remove dead people from the rolls instead of wasting tax dollars on a completely ineffective bigger government program like Voter ID that does not stop the type of fraud which actually occurs?

Since the DOI was easily able to find voters who have moved, why are you not demanding someone remove people who have moved from the rolls instead of wasting tax dollars on a completely ineffective bigger government program like Voter ID that does not stop the type of fraud which actually occurs?

It is pretty obvious everything we need to clean up the system already exists without adding Voter ID.

You see, if you remove people who have died or moved from the rolls, there is no way anyone could vote with their name. Voter ID does not remove people who have moved or died from the rolls.

Disease, not the symptom.

 

[g5000]

This topic is misnamed.

It should be "We Got Proof It Is Easy To Stop In-Person Fraud Without Voter ID".

 

[g5000]

Now we just have to find people who aren't too retarded to do the job right. The hacks fucked it all up in Florida and disenfranchised eligible voters. One of them was a World War II vet.

Strangely enough, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck and Fox News and Alex Jones and Ann Coulter and The Daily Caller and CNS News and the Washington Times and investor.com did not say a peep about a vet getting fucked over by having his voter registration voided by hacks.

 

[g5000]

Clean those who have died and moved from the registration rolls. Done!

We don't need an expensive bigger government program like Voter ID to do it.

 

[HenryBHough]

Clean those who have died and moved from the registration rolls. Done!

We don't need an expensive bigger government program like Voter ID to do it.

In a stylishly decorated office in Darkest Chicago The Rahmster laughs in scorn.

 

[Clementine]

Everyone should re-register to vote. No more motor voter because that ensures that millions of people are registered who will never vote. Less than a third of eligible voters even bother.

The real cheating is behind the scenes with the people who oversee the voting. There is no way to catch them unless you contact every person who appeared to have cast a ballot and ask them if they actually voted. Otherwise all ballots used by cheaters appear completely legit and only those voting twice or using dead people's ballots will ever get caught.

Having people re-register will ensure that only those interested in voting will be eligible. That alone would take care of the problem of people voting for dead people or those who moved voting twice because there will no longer be a ballot reserved for them.

Simply having people who are active voters taking the time to register would take away millions of ballots that could too easily be used by others, like dishonest poll workers or those who count votes.

 

[Freewill]

Everyone should re-register to vote. No more voter motor because that ensures that millions of people are registered who will never vote. Less than a third of eligible voters even bother.

The real cheating is behind the scenes with the people who oversee the voting. There is no way to catch them unless you contact every person who appeared to have cast a ballot and ask them if they actually voted. Otherwise all ballots used by cheaters appear completely legit and only those voting twice or using dead people's ballots will ever get caught.

Having people re-register will ensure that only those interested in voting will be eligible. That alone would take care of the problem of people voting for dead people or those who moved voting twice because there will no longer be a ballot reserved for them.

Simply having people who are active voters taking the time to register would take away millions of ballots that could too easily be used by others, like dishonest poll workers or those who count votes.

I believe in my state if you don't vote for a certain amount of elections you are taken off the roles, that would seem to solve a lot of problems. But then again I am sure that someone would be disenfranchised.

 

[Freewill]

There is no proof those weaknesses have been exploited, much less that elections have had different outcomes because of them.

Those weaknesses are very easily solved. When someone dies or moves, they should be removed from the voter registration roll.

Cure the disease, not the symptom.

Duh.

The disease is not people on the voter rolls that should not be, that is a symptom. The disease is voter disenfranchisement when someone votes fraudulently.

Two things. First, you have no idea what disenfranchisement is since you misused the term. Second, you have no evidence of in-person fraud actually occurring!

dis·en·fran·chise transitive verb \ˌdis-in-ˈfran-ˌchīz\

: to prevent (a person or group of people) from having the right to vote

I suppose it is a little bit of a stretch of the definition to count those whose vote were made null by someone who cheated but the effect is the same. Of course you knew that.

 

[Immanuel]

There is no proof those weaknesses have been exploited, much less that elections have had different outcomes because of them.

Those weaknesses are very easily solved. When someone dies or moves, they should be removed from the voter registration roll.

Cure the disease, not the symptom.

Duh.

Haha, yeah right! Any attempt to clean up the rolls leads to Democrats screaming that the right is attempting to stop minority voters from voting. I believe this is what the case that she who should not be named has been using to prove reps cheat for five years or so was all about. So any attempt to clean up the voter registration rolls leads to accusations of disenfranchisement while seeking other alternatives such as requiring photo ID also leads to accusations of disenfranchisement. Face it, libs don't want the rolls cleaned up.

 

[Immanuel]

There is no proof those weaknesses have been exploited, much less that elections have had different outcomes because of them.

Those weaknesses are very easily solved. When someone dies or moves, they should be removed from the voter registration roll.

Cure the disease, not the symptom.

Duh.

Voter Purge, Minority Voting Rights Flashpoints Of New Showdown In Florida

Florida officials made it clear Friday that the state will continue to purge as many as 182,000 suspected noncitizens from the state’s voter rolls -- despite a coalition's call to stop the process or prepare for court.

In the last three weeks alone, the Florida secretary of state's office has identified and started to purge what it says are at least 50,000 dead voters from the state's rolls and stripped out about 7,000 convicted felons. Officials at the same time are defending a more controversial plan to remove as many as 182,000 suspected noncitizens from the state's voter rolls.

“Florida has a very shameful history of purging minority voters based on false information before presidential elections,” said Katherine Culliton-Gonzalez, director of voter protection projects for the Advancement Project, a Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit that works to protect voter rights.

http://www.southernstudies.org/2013/10/voter-purging-in-florida-and-virginia-leads-to-law.html

Meanwhile, in Virginia, the state has already begun purging voters -- and just in time for high-profile gubernatorial race between former national Democratic Party Chairman Terry McAuliffe and Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli. The Virginia Democratic Party has sued the state over a list of roughly 57,000 Virginia voters' names that the state has asked county election officials to purge from rolls. In Fairfax County, near Washington, D.C., over 7,000 names have already been purged. Cuccinelli is named in the lawsuit.

The names were culled from an interstate database that appears to show these voters as registered in multiple states. Associated Press reported today that half the states in the nation have signed into this network to also locate and scrub voter names appearing in multiple jurisdictions.

Republicans say voters being registered in more than one place opens up the electoral process to voter fraud, though no such interstate double-voting fraud has occurred in the state's history. Names often end up on multiple states' voter registration lists simply because they haven't been updated, meaning someone who was registered in North Carolina, for example, may have moved to Virginia and registered to vote under her new address.

 

[Freewill]

There is no proof those weaknesses have been exploited, much less that elections have had different outcomes because of them.

Those weaknesses are very easily solved. When someone dies or moves, they should be removed from the voter registration roll.

Cure the disease, not the symptom.

Duh.

Haha, yeah right! Any attempt to clean up the rolls leads to Democrats screaming that the right is attempting to stop minority voters from voting. I believe this is what the case that she who should not be named has been using to prove reps cheat for five years or so was all about. So any attempt to clean up the voter registration rolls leads to accusations of disenfranchisement while seeking other alternatives such as requiring photo ID also leads to accusations of disenfranchisement. Face it, libs don't want the rolls cleaned up.

Right on, if anyone other then democrats tried to clean up the rolls disenfranchisement is all we would hear.

 

[Clementine]

Everyone should re-register to vote. No more voter motor because that ensures that millions of people are registered who will never vote. Less than a third of eligible voters even bother.

The real cheating is behind the scenes with the people who oversee the voting. There is no way to catch them unless you contact every person who appeared to have cast a ballot and ask them if they actually voted. Otherwise all ballots used by cheaters appear completely legit and only those voting twice or using dead people's ballots will ever get caught.

Having people re-register will ensure that only those interested in voting will be eligible. That alone would take care of the problem of people voting for dead people or those who moved voting twice because there will no longer be a ballot reserved for them.

Simply having people who are active voters taking the time to register would take away millions of ballots that could too easily be used by others, like dishonest poll workers or those who count votes.

I believe in my state if you don't vote for a certain amount of elections you are taken off the roles, that would seem to solve a lot of problems. But then again I am sure that someone would be disenfranchised.

On the other hand, for every cheater there is a person disenfranchised. And if dishonest poll workers across the country (from either party) used some of the millions of unclaimed ballots, then a lot of people have their votes cancelled by a cheater.

I think registering for every big election is the best way to keep rolls current.