Voter Fraud - Election Fraud

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    Oh I guess that means that hasn't been ACORN's official explanation for their widespread scheme when investigation in state after state was announced. LOL It is what ACORN always says. But it fails to explain why the Seattle office supervisor was charged with felony voter fraud although not an $8 hour employee sent on the street to register voters.

    All while you ignore the real problem with this cheesy excuse. None of these people were being paid on the basis of how many people they registered -they were paid by the hour. Even ACORN says none were threatened with being fired unless they produced X number of registrations. And without that basis -there is no MOTIVATION for fraudulently manufacturing literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of fraudulent registration forms in state after state. That excuse fails to explain this, much less explain the sheer magnitude of it.

    It also fails to explain why of all voter registration drive organizations, ONLY this one has a sky high fraud rate and no others anywhere close to it.

    This was not election fraud -it was voter fraud. And whether it is successful or not does NOT determine whether it was a crime. The ATTEMPT is a crime. Just because some other entity or person foils the attempt by detecting these ACORN manufactured registrations doesn't remove the criminal element -which is why the supervisor was charged with felony voter fraud and was the only one who skipped out on the court date and is now wanted for flight to avoid prosecution in addition to that felony count. It isn't thanks to ACORN this so far hasn't resulted in election fraud in the past. Thanks to ACORN which outdid itself this time around, the odds of it being successful in one of the battleground states where the greatest level of fraudulent registration took place in preparation for THIS election -has increased. If someone tries to kill you time and again and just because they haven't yet been successful at bumping you off -do you think that means the state shouldn't take it seriously until they finally do?
     
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    1. Actually individuals can tear up their own registration cards and are not required to turn those back over to whoever is running the voter registration drive. ACORN is only required to turn in those that were filled out by someone ELSE and given to them. But that isn't what is being discussed here. We are talking about ACORN manufacturing those phony ones THEMSELVES and then turning them in KNOWING they are phony. It is a felony to knowingly turn in fake voter registration forms. Since they created them in the first place, they would certainly KNOW they are fake. The MASSIVE numbers involved while no other voter drive organization in the nation has anywhere close to this fraud rate proves it is NOT a matter of a "few jerks" who did this -but is a widespread scheme.

    2. According to what "all" reports did ACORN flag their own phony registrations? Because that is NOT true in the least. Every investigation in every state where ACORN is suspected of voter registration fraud it is either because of the sheer numbers CAUGHT by the state or because of repeated complaints by citizens of ACORN's activities of using bribery, pressure and coercion to get individuals to falsely register. You seriously think they are going to flag their own phony creations? LOL

    3. Voter fraud is not a crime only when it is successfully committed -it is a crime to ATTEMPT it as well. Just because it is foiled by the state doesn't remove the criminal element here. Voter registration fraud increases the potential of fraudulent votes on election day in those states with less than efficient means of weeding them out -such as exists in Ohio right now.

    It doesn't matter whether or not voter fraud is successfully used on election day or not. Fraudulent voter registrations means it is being attempted. And NOW because so many states have decided that if any discrepancy exists on election day, the individual is given the benefit of the doubt and allowed to vote with their votes not even set aside until it can be determined they are a qualified voter -any such fraudulent votes will be in the system. Their votes will be cast and counted -and with no way of removing them.

    You don't stop election fraud on election day -you stop it with the registration process itself.
     
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    They aren't legitimate. Total factual evidence that ACORN is conspiring to commit voter fraud = ZERO. You seriously think Obama and ACORN sat down together and decided to register a bunch of Mickey Mouses and Donald Ducks to win the election? And I guess all the election workers are either incredible stupid or in on the conspiracy.
     
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    A Republican Convicted Of Election Fraud Had VIP Access To Trump's Michigan Rally | HuffPost

    Hall’s level of access is notable given the Trump administration’s focus on voter fraud, which several analyses have shown is not a widespread problem. Trump claims that between three and five million people voted illegally in the 2016 election, but has offered no evidence to support that claim. In April, he dismissed the idea that voter fraud was a conspiracy theory, saying “in many places, like California, the same person votes many times, you probably heard about that.”

    In 2012, Brandon Hall forged signatures to get a judicial candidate on the ballot in Ottawa County, Michigan. He was convicted of 10 counts of election fraud and sentenced in 2016 to 30 days in jail and 18 months probation. He is still serving the probation portion of his sentence.
     
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    You should look at the Chicago votes, there are a lot of dead people who voted in the Obama election as normal. Who knows how many W backs and Sheet heads voted that were not citizens.
     
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    I liked the workers at a Mental inst, who assisted the inmates to vote. That was kind of them to help them with their voting rights.
     
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    If no evidence of voter fraud was found, then why did they plead guilty?
     

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