Discussion in 'Congress' started by Annie, Oct 18, 2008.
With No Swift Boat Liars, the GOP is desperately searching for something to suppress the vote.
first off, the Swiftvets didnt lie
second, thats utter bullshit
Their is a special prosecutor investigating the firing of the Justice Department attorneys.
The truth will come out, and some people in the Bush administration will go to jail.
ACORN has agreed to pay $25,000 as the result of their "work" in just one county in Washington that included the city of Seattle. 7 employees in that one ACORN office, including the office supervisor, have already been charged with crimes, 3 already sentenced and one who was charged with voter fraud failed to appear in court and is now a wanted man. Of a total of 1,805 registrations submitted by this single ACORN office -only NINE have been confirmed as legitimate. (Hard to claim ACORN has a fraud rate of 33% because those doing the registering committed these crimes on their own - when this one case shows the office supervisor is alleged to have been part of the scheme too.)
Further criminal charges and fines are expected as the result of the investigation into the Tacoma, WA branch of ACORN in the near future.
Voter-registration workers charged with submitting bogus registrations
This had nothing to do with voter fraud. It was a case of workers cheating their employer, ACORN....
From your own link....
But the scheme had nothing to do with an attempt to manipulate elections and everything to do with the workers' efforts to keep their $8-an-hour jobs, prosecutors said.
In fact, no votes were cast based on the more than 1,760 fraudulent registrations submitted by workers for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, interim Prosecutor Dan Satterberg said.
"The defendants ... cheated their employers to get paid for work they did not actually perform," Satterberg said. "The defendants simply realized that making up names was easier than actually canvassing the streets."
Wrong. Its not illegal to turn in bogus registration cards.
Its the law to turn in every registration card you have. Whether they are legitimate, whether they have typos, whether somebody scrawled Mickey Mouse on it as a joke, or whether they were indeed frauduently filled out.
You can't hold onto any registration card the state gives you. You have to turn all of them in.
All the reports are saying that ACORN flagged the ones they thought were bogus, and turned them over to the State. Its the state's job to determine if the bogus ones were crimes, whether they were typos, or whether they were stupid practical jokes.
In any organization as big as ACORN, there's going to be a few jerks they hire who turn in some bogus registration cards as a way of making a fast buck.
There's never been a shred of evidence however, that any bogus card that was filled out for ACORN has turned into a fraudulent vote.
Please post it if you have proof that a bogus registration card actually turned into a fraudulent voter turning up at the polls.
The truth has come out and no one will ever go to jail for it. Strange how people like you would rather see someone investigated for firing someone who refused to investigate election fraud -then seeing those who committed that election fraud investigated. Says a lot but nothing very good.
All Justice Department attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President and any of them can be fired at any time for NO CAUSE at all. A President can fire as many as he wants and then give their jobs to attorneys he prefers for whatever reason. The Supreme Court ruled years ago that the Attorney General is the President's agent and can act on his behalf in that regard. Which means NO reason even need be given for that firing. But the fact a reason was given doesn't mean he couldn't be fired anyway. Gonzales says he refused to follow a direct order and was fired. And the investigation shows that this attorney DID find evidence of voter fraud and then refused to carry out any further investigation. In my book, refusing to follow the direct order alone is grounds for firing -even though no grounds at all are ever necessary for a Justice Dept. attorney to be fired. That he refused even after already having found evidence of voter fraud makes it worse -for him.
Did you demand an investigation when one of the first things Clinton did as President was fire all 33 Justice Department attorneys because he said he wanted "his" people all holding those jobs, something no President has EVER done -and even though doing so meant shutting down more than a few investigations Clinton didn't want to see reach any conclusions or result in any criminal charges against a couple of his buddies and the new attorneys ordered to drop those investigations? Of course you didn't -entirely different in your book no doubt.
That was the official explanation by the national ACORN office -NOT what the prosecution says it is. This worn-out excuse is ALWAYS what ACORN says to explain why of all voter registration drives in the nation only theirs has a sky high fraud rate that no other organization even comes close to. Especially in the battleground states where enough fraudulent votes have the potential to change the legtimate outcome.
Funny ACORN has never claimed these people were threatened with losing their $8 hr. jobs unless they produced X number of registrations a day (because they weren't)-and since they weren't being paid on the basis of their registration production rate, then the motivation to create phony ones doesn't even exist. In fact, the reason the office supervisor in the Seattle office was charged with voter fraud is that what was found on office computers led prosecutors to believe this was an office-wide and deliberate scheme and not a matter of a few people just trying to hang on to those jobs. And oddly enough, of the 7 people charged -it is the office supervisor making plenty more than $8 hr. who failed to show up in court and is now wanted on those felony charges. And not so oddly enough, it was only after the computers in this office were seized that ACORN claimed the computers in a Boston office were "stolen". I imagine plenty of other ACORN offices suddenly found themselves in need of new computers too.
You don't get to repeat ACORN's pathetic explanation and pretend that is what this really was -and in every single state where ACORN is under investigation for voter fraud. Clearly this is a WIDESPREAD scheme and not the random acts of a few low paid employees who were never threatened with losing their jobs unless they produced X number of new registrations a day anyway. Voter and election fraud is not based on whether they are actually successful at getting away with it -but for ATTEMPTING it.
In 2006 this same Washington branch of ACORN committed what Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed said at that time was the "worse case of election fraud" in the state's history. That time, of the 1800 new registrations turned in, only SIX were found to be legitimate. Maybe in your book it is some kind of improvement that this time around they had 9 legitimate ones out of 1805. But that still leaves another 27,000 registrations from all Washington branches of ACORN "manufactured" just between January and July, 2008 that have been shown to be likely frauds as well.
I really wish you Bush voters would get your information from somewhere besides Limbaugh and Hannity.
I've been telling you for days that the voter registration fraud cases involved workers who were looking to make a fast buck. There was no election fraud, nor was their any intent to cast fraudulent votes.
Guess what? When you hire hundreds of people for 8 bucks an hour, a few of them are going to potentially fill out bogus registration cards with fake names, in order to get paid some fast bucks.
You republicans were fooled by WMD in Iraq, you were fooled by George Bush, and you were fooled by Dick Cheney.
Once again, you're barking up the wrong tree at best, and lying at worst. Rush Limbaugh has really misled you. Its what he does.
In this case it was from the Seattle Times, but lying sits better with you, right?
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