Victims of Communism

[sharik]

Capitalism does not cause hunger it cures it.

like during The Great Depression or by 'kill the poor' methods?

This is why throughout the cold war the soviet union was fed BY the United states of America.

that is a blatant lie concocted by Western scholarship & media to whitewash the crimes of Western nabobs.

We sent the USSR surplus grain because communism cannot feed people.

stop making up stories. CCCP's overall import was merely 3% compared to its overall production; even if there was grain sent in, it was a drop in the bucket anyway; there was also huge overproduction of bread in CCCP to such an extent that the authorities ordered a campaign in the Soviet media persuading people to stop wasting bread.

 

[sharik]

Communism is not an ideal it is a way of forcing people to die in order to believe in an ideal which can never be reached hence the massive death toll of communism.

what an ignorant and bigoted statement... 'the death toll' was not that of Communism or anything else but of Civil Wars and following struggle for power. Capitalism had also interests in making Communism look bad and used sabotage for that purpose. CCCP, as wars ended, since then was a well off State and a happy Nation, meanwhile the West staggered from a crisis to a crisis and was about to collapse in the late 1980s through early 1990s.

 

[sharik]

Here is an inside view of Chinese communism:
https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...01e4b02e9630241d9a/1404931073072/9ping_en.pdf

“The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.”

as if Capitalists did not do the same to the Soviet Bloc and its people?

 

[sharik]

The author of that study merely used any natural death as an example of famine because old people and sick people often do not eat well. But that is NOT famine

that is famine, only in a legalised form, so that you can't blame the capitalist system or anyone but yourself, they simply write you off as a 'loser' so you get no sympathy not only from the state but also from your countrymen; this is a legalised genocide perpetrated by capitalist authorities on there own people.

deliberately weaponized famine as the USSR waged war on it;s on people with.

no such thing ever happened.

 

[Yarddog]

http://victimsofcommunism.org

not victims of Communism, they are that of Capitalism, which stood in the way of every Communist state and sabotaged their progress.

Communism has no real system for checks and balance of power. And under Communism its necessary that the State have total control of its population to make sure everything is fair and equal. Problem is, that since the beginning of time man has been competative and they will cheat even inside that Communist system that is supposed to be fair. You will have large numbers of people without representation or recourse. The Soviet Union was a travesty.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Capitalism does not cause hunger it cures it.

like during The Great Depression or by 'kill the poor' methods?

This is why throughout the cold war the soviet union was fed BY the United states of America.

that is a blatant lie concocted by Western scholarship & media to whitewash the crimes of Western nabobs.

We sent the USSR surplus grain because communism cannot feed people.

stop making up stories. CCCP's overall import was merely 3% compared to its overall production; even if there was grain sent in, it was a drop in the bucket anyway; there was also huge overproduction of bread in CCCP to such an extent that the authorities ordered a campaign in the Soviet media persuading people to stop wasting bread.

Yes like during the great depression where even with the worst economy of the twentieth century very few people died o hunger.

No it is not a blatant lie it is an absolute documented and proven fact. During the cold war the USA fed the soviet Union. Those of us alive at the time wondered why the USA routinely and consistently sent grain to feed a country which was sworn to destroy us but it DID happen and that is irrefutable. At one point it was even embargoed but then the embargo was later lifted under Reagan.

The Soviet Grain Embargo

You cannot present any evidence of any kind that it is lie and it is a fact in your face so deal with it.

We sent grain because under communism they could not feed their own people and needed it to avoid starvation that is fact not a made up story.

The soviets hd lines for bread they did not waste it.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Communism is not an ideal it is a way of forcing people to die in order to believe in an ideal which can never be reached hence the massive death toll of communism.

what an ignorant and bigoted statement... 'the death toll' was not that of Communism or anything else but of Civil Wars and following struggle for power. Capitalism had also interests in making Communism look bad and used sabotage for that purpose. CCCP, as wars ended, since then was a well off State and a happy Nation, meanwhile the West staggered from a crisis to a crisis and was about to collapse in the late 1980s through early 1990s.

It is not bigoted or ignorant it is factual.

The death toll was in the millions it was more than even Hitler killed and it was deliberate. Communism routinely causes such genocide wherever it is tried.

The USSR was a miserable hell on earth and neither happy nor well off.

The West had crises yes but still prospered while the people staved under communism.

Sorry you are ignorant of history but those are all facts.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The author of that study merely used any natural death as an example of famine because old people and sick people often do not eat well. But that is NOT famine

that is famine, only in a legalised form, so that you can't blame the capitalist system or anyone but yourself, they simply write you off as a 'loser' so you get no sympathy not only from the state but also from your countrymen; this is a legalised genocide perpetrated by capitalist authorities on there own people.

deliberately weaponized famine as the USSR waged war on it;s on people with.

no such thing ever happened.

No it is not famine in legal or any other form.

Famine is simple death from lack of food. Dying because someone drinks homemade alcohol because expensive scotch is too much to afford is not famine but that is one of many many kinds of deaths loosely related to poverty which the author measures. This is done to vastly exaggerate the number of deaths in the US due to famine during the great depression. In reality less than 200 deaths can be attributed to famine across th USA during the entire great depression.

Yes it did happen the Soviets did indeed wage war against their own people with famine. That is proven fact revealed in declassified soviet archives.

 

[Tehon]

http://victimsofcommunism.org

not victims of Communism, they are that of Capitalism, which stood in the way of every Communist state and sabotaged their progress.

Communism has no real system for checks and balance of power. And under Communism its necessary that the State have total control of its population to make sure everything is fair and equal. Problem is, that since the beginning of time man has been competative and they will cheat even inside that Communist system that is supposed to be fair. You will have large numbers of people without representation or recourse. The Soviet Union was a travesty.

Without addressing the legitimacy of your statements, which beg to be questioned, what does any of that have to do with what sharik said? None of that gives license to Western capitalist powers for undermining another nation's right to self determination.

 

[Soupnazi630]

http://victimsofcommunism.org

not victims of Communism, they are that of Capitalism, which stood in the way of every Communist state and sabotaged their progress.

Communism has no real system for checks and balance of power. And under Communism its necessary that the State have total control of its population to make sure everything is fair and equal. Problem is, that since the beginning of time man has been competative and they will cheat even inside that Communist system that is supposed to be fair. You will have large numbers of people without representation or recourse. The Soviet Union was a travesty.

Without addressing the legitimacy of your statements, which beg to be questioned, what does any of that have to do with what sharik said? None of that gives license to Western capitalist powers for undermining another nation's right to self determination.

Communism is precisely the opposite of self determination so your argument is irrelevant.

Undermining an evil system of government is not something which needed a license. We had as much right to undermine the USSR as we did the third reich, even before the second world war.

 

[sharik]

Communism has no real system for checks and balance of power.

neither capitalism does.

The Soviet Union was a travesty.

what country is not if so?

 

[Tehon]

http://victimsofcommunism.org

not victims of Communism, they are that of Capitalism, which stood in the way of every Communist state and sabotaged their progress.

Communism has no real system for checks and balance of power. And under Communism its necessary that the State have total control of its population to make sure everything is fair and equal. Problem is, that since the beginning of time man has been competative and they will cheat even inside that Communist system that is supposed to be fair. You will have large numbers of people without representation or recourse. The Soviet Union was a travesty.

Without addressing the legitimacy of your statements, which beg to be questioned, what does any of that have to do with what sharik said? None of that gives license to Western capitalist powers for undermining another nation's right to self determination.

Communism is precisely the opposite of self determination so your argument is irrelevant.

Undermining an evil system of government is not something which needed a license. We had as much right to undermine the USSR as we did the third reich, even before the second world war.

People have a right to self determination. I can't imagine how you would think otherwise. It is a principle enshrined in our own declaration of independence.

 

[sharik]

We sent grain because under communism they could not feed their own people and needed it to avoid starvation that is fact not a made up story.

bullshit, i was born and i lived in CCCP, it was bursting with bread... also, go and google 'Soviet import' to learn it was only 3% from overall Soviet production; even Wiki says so.

 

[sharik]

The USSR was a miserable hell on earth

you seem to hate every thing Russian, hence your insults... a racist are you?

 

[sharik]

We had as much right to undermine the USSR as we did the third reich

you in fact sent money to The 3rd Reich that was defeated by CCCP against all odds, and CCCP under Gorbatchov already wasn't Communist when destroyed, it was about to go world markets & finances, this is why it was destroyed actually.

 

[Soupnazi630]

http://victimsofcommunism.org

not victims of Communism, they are that of Capitalism, which stood in the way of every Communist state and sabotaged their progress.

Communism has no real system for checks and balance of power. And under Communism its necessary that the State have total control of its population to make sure everything is fair and equal. Problem is, that since the beginning of time man has been competative and they will cheat even inside that Communist system that is supposed to be fair. You will have large numbers of people without representation or recourse. The Soviet Union was a travesty.

Without addressing the legitimacy of your statements, which beg to be questioned, what does any of that have to do with what sharik said? None of that gives license to Western capitalist powers for undermining another nation's right to self determination.

Communism is precisely the opposite of self determination so your argument is irrelevant.

Undermining an evil system of government is not something which needed a license. We had as much right to undermine the USSR as we did the third reich, even before the second world war.

People have a right to self determination. I can't imagine how you would think otherwise. It is a principle enshrined in our own declaration of independence.

True.

But once again communism is exactly the opposite of self determination it is slavery and totalitarianism by design and practice.

 

[Soupnazi630]

We sent grain because under communism they could not feed their own people and needed it to avoid starvation that is fact not a made up story.

bullshit, i was born and i lived in CCCP, it was bursting with bread... also, go and google 'Soviet import' to learn it was only 3% from overall Soviet production; even Wiki says so.

Production is only one small part of it.

the soviets who you are massively ignorant of could not produce and DISTRIBUTE enough to feed their own people and the importation kept them from starvation.

Those are facts which your dishonest claim to personal knowledge cannot refute.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The USSR was a miserable hell on earth

you seem to hate every thing Russian, hence your insults... a racist are you?

I hate nothing at all about russia and have said nothing derogatory or insulting about russia or the russians.

Your assertion is a dishonest and cowardly accusation.

 

[Soupnazi630]

We had as much right to undermine the USSR as we did the third reich

you in fact sent money to The 3rd Reich that was defeated by CCCP against all odds, and CCCP under Gorbatchov already wasn't Communist when destroyed, it was about to go world markets & finances, this is why it was destroyed actually.

None of which is relevant and does not address what I said.

 

[Tehon]

not victims of Communism, they are that of Capitalism, which stood in the way of every Communist state and sabotaged their progress.

Communism has no real system for checks and balance of power. And under Communism its necessary that the State have total control of its population to make sure everything is fair and equal. Problem is, that since the beginning of time man has been competative and they will cheat even inside that Communist system that is supposed to be fair. You will have large numbers of people without representation or recourse. The Soviet Union was a travesty.

Without addressing the legitimacy of your statements, which beg to be questioned, what does any of that have to do with what sharik said? None of that gives license to Western capitalist powers for undermining another nation's right to self determination.

Communism is precisely the opposite of self determination so your argument is irrelevant.

Undermining an evil system of government is not something which needed a license. We had as much right to undermine the USSR as we did the third reich, even before the second world war.

People have a right to self determination. I can't imagine how you would think otherwise. It is a principle enshrined in our own declaration of independence.

True.

But once again communism is exactly the opposite of self determination it is slavery and totalitarianism by design and practice.

That is entirely bullshit but regardless, it is still none of your business how Russians organize themselves.