US Values or National Interests?

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    Is the Fourth about celebrating US values like human rights, or has the US "consistently chosen national interests over rights?"

    "Michael Barnett is a professor of international affairs and political science at George Washington University. He is the author, most recently, of 'The Empire of Humanity: A History of Humanitarianism.'

    "(CNN) -- Independence Day is a celebration not just of America's independence, but also of the values that are important to our nation, like liberty, democracy and human rights..."

    The professor begins his short essay by dismissing President Carter's concern that the US should be a little less "self-congratulatory and a little more self-critical" when it comes to evaluating the "moral leadership" it provides to the rest of the world.

    "Even in better days, the United States has often made rotten compromises in the name of security. Simply put, the United States has championed human rights when it sees no damage to its security and economic interests. But when human rights are perceived as potentially detrimental to national interests, the United States has consistently chosen interests over values."

    Simple enough?
    If not, consider spending Labor Day in Afghanistan or Honduras.

    Is America the moral leader in the world? - CNN.com
     
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    America the moral leader of the world?
    Gimme a break!
    The military leader of the world now is correct.

    We have supported many dictators and not picked on many countrys for hujman rights abuses and even supported those doing the abuses.
     
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    In many ways we are. In the Recognition of Unalienable Rights, for one. In International Disaster Relief and Aid for two. Ethics, Morals, are Individual Strengths, as well as National, or Government. Get over your bitterness, it is blinding you.
     
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    I just do not wear partisan blinders and see more than you do.
     
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    This seems to be a recurring pattern since the end of WWII (at least)

    "Noam Chomsky has pointed out that this year we are failing to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of what he calls 'President John F. Kennedy's decision to launch the most destructive and murderous act of aggression of the post-World War II period: the invasion of South Vietnam...' Indeed, it was in 1962 that U.S. armed forces began to bomb South Vietnam, but this is a non-event in the public consciousness of the West..."

    Vol 19 number 10 Text Version

    Who's next?
    My guess is Mexico.
     
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    You assume a lot. Maybe that is the root of your problem.
     
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    Do you believe America's human rights policies trump its counter-terrorism policies?
    Apparently, Professor Barnett does:

    "We have made good strides. In the last 10 years, the United States has been one of the largest supporters of the International Committee of the Red Cross, despite the fact that the Red Cross makes it a point to remind the United States and other governments of their commitments to international humanitarian law.

    "The Obama administration has championed women's rights and reproductive health, children's rights, religious rights and other areas of central concern to the lives of hundreds of millions of people around the world.

    "And although the United States still refuses to become a full-fledged member of the International Criminal Court, it has begun to play a supporting role."

    Is America the moral leader in the world? - CNN.com
     
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    I don't think so, though if Civil War did break out there, Political Asylum would take care of a big chunk of the Illegal Immigration Problem you are both in denial of. I'd support Cancun, Baja, and the Yucatan, as the 51-52-53rd States after the dust settles. We might as well have something to show for our troubles. :D

    Personally I think the next front will be Iran, and No, I do not like the Idea. To me Personally, the Failures in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, lie in the realization that Their Respective Constitutions do not Promote Unalienable Rights, Human Rights, Access to Justice for Male, Female, Believer, and Non-Believer, alike. That's the failure, the rest is spin.
     
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    Good Works Always Trump Bad Behavior and misguided action.
    Obama has not Championed Individual Rights. What is wrong with you, that you would even think of subjecting us to Arbitrary rule of the International Criminal Court. Are you really that stupid? One World Centralized Government Control? Why not just plainly state how much you detest the Constitution? Who runs the UN? Dictators or Humanitarians? Open up your eyes.
     
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    If this economy CRASHES as loudly as some are expecting, the US won't be able to borrow enough money to wage war on the opposite side of the world. I hadn't thought of the possibility of a Mexican Civil War, but Fast and Furious seems to be setting the stage for US intervention.

    For years I've though Baja would make a natural addition to California; however, most people I've spoken to about this from both sides of the border don't seem inclined to vote in favor.
     

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