US Troops in serious peril now..Terry Jones burns Koran

[Quantum Windbag]

The reverend is a fucking moron. He changed nothing and gave murderers an excuse to kill.

Way to go!

I prefer him to people like you who give them an excuse to kill 14 year old rape victims.

Only in your imagination do I do such a thing.

It is not my imagination, it is a logical conclusion of your argument that Shialvo is even remotely responsible for the deaths in Afghanistan. If he gave them the excuse to do that, then you gave them the excuse to do this.

Only 14, Bangladeshi girl charged with adultery was lashed to death - CNN

If, on the other hand, you agree that he had nothing to do with what happened, because thugs do not need an excuse to kill, then you will agree with me that you really are not responsible for that poor girls death.

Your choice. Do you live in a world where the only people responsible for those deaths are the people who committed them, or do you live in a world where you helped kill a 14 year old rape victim?

 

[MikeK]

What the fuck difference does my opinion of Bush make to their desire to kill me? They wanted to do that before he was president, and still want to do it now that the fake hope and change is president.

Your fucking problem is that your brain is so tiny you think that the world started in 2000. It has been around a lot longer than that, and Muslims have been bent on world domination for 1400 years. We could nuke Israel and they would still want to kill us.

Like I told you the first fucking time I responded to you, go back to school and study history in the real world, not in a fantasy world where time travel exist to prove that the reason Islam invaded Europe was because we invaded Iraq.

Muslims are "bent on world domination for 1400 years?" So what? A lot of good it's done them. Most of them can't afford a second pair of sneakers. So run that nonsense by someone else. The only reason the Muslims want to kill you is you're a Jew. If that's what is bothering you either convert to Buddhism or go to Israel and join the IDF. Don't try to bullshit me.

 

[Avatar4321]

We could nuke Israel and they would still want to kill us.

You are exactly right here. There is a reason that we are the "Great Satan" to them. We are their Anti-Christ, so to speak. They want to destroy us.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Terry Jones is an idiot but the Extremists are at fault.

But are Christians all extremists because many bombed Abortion clinics?

Are you a complete idiot? There have been less than 20 abortion clinic bombings in the US in the last 3 decades. How the fuck do you twist that to get "many"?



Timothy McVeigh was a Tea Party member? Did he have a time machine and travel back in time from 2009 to bomb Oklahoma City?

Ay least we know the answer to my question about you being a complete idiot.

Not all Muslims are bad people.

Quite true.

But 80% of Muslims worldwide want to kill you if you insult Islam. I think that they just might have a different understanding of what being good is that you do, In fact, I know they do. If you were not such an idiot you would know it too.

1. So 20 isn't a lot? They also killed abortion providers in the name of God.

2. Timothy McVeigh was anti-government much like the Tea partiers are. He purposely attacked a government building.

3. Proof that 80% of muslims want to kill us? You do know people like Dave Chappelle are Muslim right?

Its funny, in 2000, 80% of the muslims in this country voted for Bush, that number is down drastically. Not to mention their attack on Hispanics, another fastly rising demographic.

I mean in 20 years, republicans are going to be extinct because they will only represent the minority of this country because of their racist views.

I think Bart Scott sums it up for me:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBaYVo89mmY&feature=related]YouTube - Can't Wait![/ame]

( emphasis added)

Using that logic Bill Ayres must have been a Tea Partier too. He bombed the Pentagon, and The Capitol Building among others.


It has been estimated that 7-10 percent ( or 37 % depending on some studies) of Muslims are radicalized. Given that there are over a billion Muslims in the world-- this means that the amount of radicalized Muslims outnumber the total US population if going by the higher percentage. Or just 100 million are radicalized going by the low number.

A hundred million people is nothing to sneeze at IMO.

 

[wyomingpatriot]

Murder is never right under any circumstance, and peace be with the victims and their families, and hopefully they get justice.
However, once again, dont be stupid enough to believe, because you are uneducated and misinformed, that the actions of a few in a group constitute the beliefs of the group as a whole. It's sad that this happened, but it's also sad that there is an engine of propaganda on the right designed to seize any opportunity to portray Arabs as violent and unstable. Americans are xenophobic and afraid of everything. There is just nothing positive in far right rhetoric. It is always doom and conspiracy, with no real basis in reality, just like the rhetoric of a handful of men in Germany in the 1930's who had their countrymen honestly convinced there was some international Jewish-Bolshevik conspiracy to destroy them.
Sounds oddly familiar, doesnt it? You see it on Fox News every night.

 

[Ragnar]

What the fuck difference does my opinion of Bush make to their desire to kill me? They wanted to do that before he was president, and still want to do it now that the fake hope and change is president.

Your fucking problem is that your brain is so tiny you think that the world started in 2000. It has been around a lot longer than that, and Muslims have been bent on world domination for 1400 years. We could nuke Israel and they would still want to kill us.

Like I told you the first fucking time I responded to you, go back to school and study history in the real world, not in a fantasy world where time travel exist to prove that the reason Islam invaded Europe was because we invaded Iraq.

Muslims are "bent on world domination for 1400 years?" So what? A lot of good it's done them. Most of them can't afford a second pair of sneakers. So run that nonsense by someone else. The only reason the Muslims want to kill you is you're a Jew. If that's what is bothering you either convert to Buddhism or go to Israel and join the IDF. Don't try to bullshit me.

Muslim Violence Against Buddhists-thailand

A separatist insurgency is taking place in Southern Thailand
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particularly in the Pattani region which is made up of three southernmost provinces. Its beginnings were evident in the latter half of the 20
th
century and in recent decades; Muslim separatists have increasingly and openly rallied against the central government of Thailand, accusing the government of ethnic-religious bias,discrimination and corruption.In recent years Islamic extremists have been spreading fear among the indigenous Buddhists of the region, using violence and brutality.They have resorted to the random killing of Buddhists, including school teachers and Buddhist monks. Also, they have murdered Muslims working in public institutions in Southern Thailand and those who are suspected to be supportive of the Thai Government and members of the Thai Military forces. A brutal attack on a Buddhist temple in the town of Pattani in 2005 is seen as an attempt by militants to deepen the religious divide between Muslims and Buddhists in Thailand's deep South. About 20 insurgents stormed the Promprasith Temple in Pattani's Panare district, armed with assault rifles, knives, machetes, fireworks and petrol. They then hacked a 76-year-old monk to death while two teenage temple novices died in the hail of gunfire. The temple was set ablaze.

On edit:

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2011/02/more-muslim-violence-against-coptic.html

Priest stabbed to death in his Home

We have been following the story of the continuing violence by Muslims on Christians in Egypt since the downfall of Mubarak...

 

[Care4all]

We could nuke Israel and they would still want to kill us.

You are exactly right here. There is a reason that we are the "Great Satan" to them. We are their Anti-Christ, so to speak. They want to destroy us.

WHY are we their antichrist, so to speak???

 

[Quantum Windbag]

1. So 20 isn't a lot? They also killed abortion providers in the name of God.

Compared to the number of Christians in Rhode Island?

Nope.

2. Timothy McVeigh was anti-government much like the Tea partiers are. He purposely attacked a government building.

Did he, or did he not, have a time machine? How many Tea Partiers have attacked government buildings?

3. Proof that 80% of muslims want to kill us? You do know people like Dave Chappelle are Muslim right?

You know that worldwide is bigger than your backyard, right?

By the way, if you are asking me to prove that statistic, maybe you should ask. What you did was add a question mark to a declarative statement. You then mentioned Chappelle like that proves your statement is correct.

It doesn't.

Its funny, in 2000, 80% of the muslims in this country voted for Bush, that number is down drastically. Not to mention their attack on Hispanics, another fastly rising demographic.

CAIR claims it was 72%, but who am I to dispute your prognostications with facts?

I mean in 20 years, republicans are going to be extinct because they will only represent the minority of this country because of their racist views.

I don't really care if Republicans will be around in 20 years, because I am not a Republican.

I think Bart Scott sums it up for me:

YouTube - Can't Wait!

If you actually thought you would not need to post clips to make a point like that.

 

[Avatar4321]

WHY are we their antichrist, so to speak???

Honestly, I haven't figured that part out yet completely. I think it has alot to do with our values. Our culture is pervasive and Let's be honest, some of our culture is pretty much crap (Thank you Hollywood and those who support Hollywood). Some of it may be because we allow people freedom to choose to some extent. Perhaps because we have the military power in the world.

Now I'm actually a bit more curious and may want to do some more research.

 

[Article 15]

I prefer him to people like you who give them an excuse to kill 14 year old rape victims.

Only in your imagination do I do such a thing.

It is not my imagination, it is a logical conclusion of your argument that Shialvo is even remotely responsible for the deaths in Afghanistan. If he gave them the excuse to do that, then you gave them the excuse to do this.

Only 14, Bangladeshi girl charged with adultery was lashed to death - CNN

If, on the other hand, you agree that he had nothing to do with what happened, because thugs do not need an excuse to kill, then you will agree with me that you really are not responsible for that poor girls death.

Your choice. Do you live in a world where the only people responsible for those deaths are the people who committed them, or do you live in a world where you helped kill a 14 year old rape victim?

Like I said ... only in your imagination.

And I'm all set with the false dillemma.

Don't expect me to buy an equivalency to an attention whore reverend in Florida looking to agitate and the fucked up laws of a Muslim nation.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What the fuck difference does my opinion of Bush make to their desire to kill me? They wanted to do that before he was president, and still want to do it now that the fake hope and change is president.

Your fucking problem is that your brain is so tiny you think that the world started in 2000. It has been around a lot longer than that, and Muslims have been bent on world domination for 1400 years. We could nuke Israel and they would still want to kill us.

Like I told you the first fucking time I responded to you, go back to school and study history in the real world, not in a fantasy world where time travel exist to prove that the reason Islam invaded Europe was because we invaded Iraq.

Muslims are "bent on world domination for 1400 years?" So what? A lot of good it's done them. Most of them can't afford a second pair of sneakers. So run that nonsense by someone else. The only reason the Muslims want to kill you is you're a Jew. If that's what is bothering you either convert to Buddhism or go to Israel and join the IDF. Don't try to bullshit me.

Tell you what, you can have this one because I am goung to ignore your idiocy from now on. The only thing I wanted to know was what kind of idiot you are, and you just told me.

You are an ignorant racist idiot.

 

[wyomingpatriot]

"Muslims want to destroy us" - there is no actual basis for this. It is propaganda. "The Jews want to destroy us" - in Germany this was also propaganda, going back to the late 1800s but increasing under the National Socialist regime - the climax of which was obviously the Holocaust and Germany's ideologically-driven war against the Soviet Union.
The times are so similar. The rhetoric you hear today denouncing Muslims as terrorists and savages would sound a lot like an essay by Joseph Goebbels, if you changed Muslim to Jewish-Bolshevik, and United States to Germany. In the eyes of the German people, Jews really were nothing but terrorists, and they used the actions of a few of them to project onto the Jewish faith as a whole. It was the creation of the myth of some all-encompassing, faceless enemy. There are countless examples leading up to the war, where Nazi propaganda capitalized on a few acts of terrorism to convince people of what they wanted them to believe. This is dangerous.

 

[Ragnar]

What the fuck difference does my opinion of Bush make to their desire to kill me? They wanted to do that before he was president, and still want to do it now that the fake hope and change is president.

Your fucking problem is that your brain is so tiny you think that the world started in 2000. It has been around a lot longer than that, and Muslims have been bent on world domination for 1400 years. We could nuke Israel and they would still want to kill us.

Like I told you the first fucking time I responded to you, go back to school and study history in the real world, not in a fantasy world where time travel exist to prove that the reason Islam invaded Europe was because we invaded Iraq.

Muslims are "bent on world domination for 1400 years?" So what? A lot of good it's done them. Most of them can't afford a second pair of sneakers. So run that nonsense by someone else. The only reason the Muslims want to kill you is you're a Jew. If that's what is bothering you either convert to Buddhism or go to Israel and join the IDF. Don't try to bullshit me.

Tell you what, you can have this one because I am goung to ignore your idiocy from now on. The only thing I wanted to know was what kind of idiot you are, and you just told me.

You are an ignorant racist idiot.

The Jewish diaspora is larger than I thought...

Islamic terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Murder is never right under any circumstance, and peace be with the victims and their families, and hopefully they get justice.
However, once again, dont be stupid enough to believe, because you are uneducated and misinformed, that the actions of a few in a group constitute the beliefs of the group as a whole. It's sad that this happened, but it's also sad that there is an engine of propaganda on the right designed to seize any opportunity to portray Arabs as violent and unstable. Americans are xenophobic and afraid of everything. There is just nothing positive in far right rhetoric. It is always doom and conspiracy, with no real basis in reality, just like the rhetoric of a handful of men in Germany in the 1930's who had their countrymen honestly convinced there was some international Jewish-Bolshevik conspiracy to destroy them.
Sounds oddly familiar, doesnt it? You see it on Fox News every night.

What a shame that someone so innocent is also so ignorant.

Mixed Views of Hamas and Hezbollah in Largely Muslim Nations | Pew Global Attitudes Project

FYI, I am not portraying Arabs as anything, I am stating categorically that Islam breed extremism, and that most Muslims support it. The research clearly backs me up on the latter part here.

You can sit back in you parents basement and believe the lies of MSNBC, and think I get all my information from Fox, but the truth is a bit more complicated than what your parents told you.

 

[Care4all]

the minister KNEW the Muslims would use his burning of the Koran as an excuse to kill Americans, yet for some reason he did it anyway....if it were my husband that was killed....i would not only want to punish the barbaric muslims that committed the murder, but I would also be very upset with this so called Christian minister, as well.

I don't think he is sin free in all of this....he KNEW what the results of his actions would be....he may have only been the guy who drove the car for the criminals, but he is still an accessory to murder imho....especially since he was warned, and begged by fellow Christian ministers to NOT do this Koran book burning.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

"Muslims want to destroy us" - there is no actual basis for this. It is propaganda. "The Jews want to destroy us" - in Germany this was also propaganda, going back to the late 1800s but increasing under the National Socialist regime - the climax of which was obviously the Holocaust and Germany's ideologically-driven war against the Soviet Union.
The times are so similar. The rhetoric you hear today denouncing Muslims as terrorists and savages would sound a lot like an essay by Joseph Goebbels, if you changed Muslim to Jewish-Bolshevik, and United States to Germany. In the eyes of the German people, Jews really were nothing but terrorists, and they used the actions of a few of them to project onto the Jewish faith as a whole. It was the creation of the myth of some all-encompassing, faceless enemy. There are countless examples leading up to the war, where Nazi propaganda capitalized on a few acts of terrorism to convince people of what they wanted them to believe. This is dangerous.

So sad.

The difference here is that Muslims flew planes into the WTC and the Pentagon, blew up trains in Spain, buses in England, clubs in Germany, hotels in Indonesia, and so on. How many people did the Jews kill worldwide as part of their terror campaign?

You have the resources of the entire world at your fingertips, and more information than the most educated people in history. Why are you wasting it?

 

[Article 15]

the minister KNEW the Muslims would use his burning of the Koran as an excuse to kill Americans, yet for some reason he did it anyway....if it were my husband that was killed....i would not only want to punish the barbaric muslims that committed the murder, but I would also be very upset with this so called Christian minister, as well.

I don't think he is sin free in all of this....he KNEW what the results of his actions would be....he may have only been the guy who drove the car for the criminals, but he is still an accessory to murder imho....especially since he was warned, and begged by fellow Christian ministers to NOT do this Koran book burning.

It brings nothing positive to the table.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

the minister KNEW the Muslims would use his burning of the Koran as an excuse to kill Americans, yet for some reason he did it anyway....if it were my husband that was killed....i would not only want to punish the barbaric muslims that committed the murder, but I would also be very upset with this so called Christian minister, as well.

I don't think he is sin free in all of this....he KNEW what the results of his actions would be....he may have only been the guy who drove the car for the criminals, but he is still an accessory to murder imho....especially since he was warned, and begged by fellow Christian ministers to NOT do this Koran book burning.

How could he know that?

 

[Ragnar]

the minister KNEW the Muslims would use his burning of the Koran as an excuse to kill Americans, yet for some reason he did it anyway....if it were my husband that was killed....i would not only want to punish the barbaric muslims that committed the murder, but I would also be very upset with this so called Christian minister, as well.

I don't think he is sin free in all of this....he KNEW what the results of his actions would be....he may have only been the guy who drove the car for the criminals, but he is still an accessory to murder imho....especially since he was warned, and begged by fellow Christian ministers to NOT do this Koran book burning.

That's a leap IMO...

accessory legal definition of accessory. accessory synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

In Criminal Law, contributing to or aiding in the commission of a crime. One who, without being present at the commission of an offense, becomes guilty of such offense, not as a chief actor, but as a participant, as by command, advice, instigation, or concealment; either before or after the fact or commission.

One who aids, abets, commands, or counsels another in the commission of a crime.

In common law, an accessory could not be found guilty unless the actual perpetrator was convicted. In most U.S. jurisdictions today, however, an accessory can be convicted even if the principal actor is not arrested or is acquitted. The prosecution must establish that the accessory in some way instigated, furthered, or concealed the crime. Typically, punishment for a convicted accessory is not as severe as that for the perpetrator.

An accessory must knowingly promote or contribute to the crime. In other words, she or he must aid or encourage the offense deliberately, not accidentally. The accessory may withdraw from the crime by denouncing the plans, refusing to assist with the crime, contacting the police, or trying to stop the crime from occurring.

An accessory before the fact is someone behind the scenes who orders a crime or helps another person commit it. Many jurisdictions now refer to accessories before the fact as parties to the crime or even accomplices. This substitution of terms can be confusing because accessories are fundamentally different from accomplices. Strictly speaking, whereas an Accomplice may be present at the crime scene, an accessory may not. Also, an accomplice generally is considered to be as guilty of the crime as the perpetrator, whereas an accessory has traditionally received a lighter punishment

 

[wyomingpatriot]

"Muslims want to destroy us" - there is no actual basis for this. It is propaganda. "The Jews want to destroy us" - in Germany this was also propaganda, going back to the late 1800s but increasing under the National Socialist regime - the climax of which was obviously the Holocaust and Germany's ideologically-driven war against the Soviet Union.
The times are so similar. The rhetoric you hear today denouncing Muslims as terrorists and savages would sound a lot like an essay by Joseph Goebbels, if you changed Muslim to Jewish-Bolshevik, and United States to Germany. In the eyes of the German people, Jews really were nothing but terrorists, and they used the actions of a few of them to project onto the Jewish faith as a whole. It was the creation of the myth of some all-encompassing, faceless enemy. There are countless examples leading up to the war, where Nazi propaganda capitalized on a few acts of terrorism to convince people of what they wanted them to believe. This is dangerous.

So sad.

The difference here is that Muslims flew planes into the WTC and the Pentagon, blew up trains in Spain, buses in England, clubs in Germany, hotels in Indonesia, and so on. How many people did the Jews kill worldwide as part of their terror campaign?

You have the resources of the entire world at your fingertips, and more information than the most educated people in history. Why are you wasting it?

Wasting it? I'm innocent? What? You prove my point. I'm not saying that the circumstances are the same, just that there are similarities. You live in fear of a faceless enemy. The German people lived in fear of a faceless enemy, and were hoodwinked by far-right fantasies. Ask yourself, do you really think, if there was a government that took power here today that wanted to deny all civil liberties to Arab-Americans based on the actions of a few hundred Arabs, or perhaps deport them, that anyone would protest? And we wonder why the Holocaust happened. It is hatred. That is all the far right offers - hatred and paranoia of enemies who don't exist.