US Sues Az.

It's a shame the states have no standing to sue the federal government for something like dereliction of duty in failing, or refusing, to control the border. It is interesting to note tho that the administration was able to get off it's ass long enough to file what appears to be an unnecessary suit.

Kris Kobach, the University of Missouri-Kansas City law professor who helped draft the Arizona law, said he's not surprised by the Justice Department's challenge but called it "unnecessary."

He noted that the law already is being challenged by the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups opposed to the new statute.
"The issue was already teed up in the courts. There's no reason for the Justice Department to get involved. The Justice Department doesn't add anything by bringing their own lawsuit," Kobach said in an interview.
 
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Its legal bullshit. All AZ needs to do is keep appealing to the USSC and they win, that's if none of the other courts throw it out first. It just shows who Obama/Holder want to vote for them in November (Mexicanos). White voters have had enough of dems by a 56/39 score.

Oh my, Chris Matthews is in a tizzy, the dems are toast and the MSM is at a loss. Their team is getting clobbered and they can't do anything (most of the voters are watching FXN).
 
It's a shame the states have no standing to sue the federal government for something like dereliction of duty in failing, or refusing, to control the border. It is interesting to note tho that the administration was able to get off it's ass long enough to file what appears to be an unnecessary suit.

Kris Kobach, the University of Missouri-Kansas City law professor who helped draft the Arizona law, said he's not surprised by the Justice Department's challenge but called it "unnecessary."

He noted that the law already is being challenged by the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups opposed to the new statute.
"The issue was already teed up in the courts. There's no reason for the Justice Department to get involved. The Justice Department doesn't add anything by bringing their own lawsuit," Kobach said in an interview.

The Federal suit does not offer racial profiling as evidence to strike the law, so that will not be an issue in the Federal suit, as both Arizona and the Fed agree in the suit that the law does not promote racial profiling.

Arizona's defense is going to swing heavily on the Fed's repeatedly turning a blind eye to sanctuaries. The Fed argues that Arizona's law removes the Fed's right and ability to "do its job" yet the sanctuary laws all dictate that localities will either not aid the Fed, or will hinder the Fed, and the Fed ignores them.

Holder's argument can't legally stand up in court. Not saying it wont, but it can't legally.
 
It's a shame the states have no standing to sue the federal government for something like dereliction of duty in failing, or refusing, to control the border. It is interesting to note tho that the administration was able to get off it's ass long enough to file what appears to be an unnecessary suit.

Kris Kobach, the University of Missouri-Kansas City law professor who helped draft the Arizona law, said he's not surprised by the Justice Department's challenge but called it "unnecessary."

He noted that the law already is being challenged by the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups opposed to the new statute.
"The issue was already teed up in the courts. There's no reason for the Justice Department to get involved. The Justice Department doesn't add anything by bringing their own lawsuit," Kobach said in an interview.

They kinda do. I'm not sure why they aren't pursuing this tact, but the states could sue the Secretary of Homeland Security with a writ of mandamus to force them to do their job and control the border.

AZ's path is probably better and stronger though.
 
It's a shame the states have no standing to sue the federal government for something like dereliction of duty in failing, or refusing, to control the border. It is interesting to note tho that the administration was able to get off it's ass long enough to file what appears to be an unnecessary suit.

Kris Kobach, the University of Missouri-Kansas City law professor who helped draft the Arizona law, said he's not surprised by the Justice Department's challenge but called it "unnecessary."

He noted that the law already is being challenged by the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups opposed to the new statute.
"The issue was already teed up in the courts. There's no reason for the Justice Department to get involved. The Justice Department doesn't add anything by bringing their own lawsuit," Kobach said in an interview.










Playing to their racist base at taxpayer's expense.
 
The government contends that the Arizona law violates the supremacy clause of the Constitution, a legal theory that says federal laws override state laws. It is already illegal under federal law to be in the country illegally, but Arizona is the first state to make it a state crime and add its own punishment and enforcement tactics

From the petition:

"In our constitutional system, the federal government has pre-eminent authority to regulate immigration matters," the lawsuit says. "This authority derives from the United States Constitution and numerous acts of Congress. The nation's immigration laws reflect a careful and considered balance of national law enforcement, foreign relations, and humanitarian interests

That one looks pretty tough to overcome. If AZ loses, the precedent could cripple any future state law regarding immigration.

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It's a shame the states have no standing to sue the federal government for something like dereliction of duty in failing, or refusing, to control the border. It is interesting to note tho that the administration was able to get off it's ass long enough to file what appears to be an unnecessary suit.

Kris Kobach, the University of Missouri-Kansas City law professor who helped draft the Arizona law, said he's not surprised by the Justice Department's challenge but called it "unnecessary."

He noted that the law already is being challenged by the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups opposed to the new statute.
"The issue was already teed up in the courts. There's no reason for the Justice Department to get involved. The Justice Department doesn't add anything by bringing their own lawsuit," Kobach said in an interview.

The Federal suit does not offer racial profiling as evidence to strike the law, so that will not be an issue in the Federal suit, as both Arizona and the Fed agree in the suit that the law does not promote racial profiling.

Arizona's defense is going to swing heavily on the Fed's repeatedly turning a blind eye to sanctuaries. The Fed argues that Arizona's law removes the Fed's right and ability to "do its job" yet the sanctuary laws all dictate that localities will either not aid the Fed, or will hinder the Fed, and the Fed ignores them.

Holder's argument can't legally stand up in court. Not saying it wont, but it can't legally.

We'll have a good idea of how this is going to go when the court rules on the prelim motions the Feds filed. Most of them are complete BS. The preemption argument particularly is a load. The AZ law was written to be completely within the Federal law. It's just a waste of time and money.

This has to be a delaying tactic by the Feds to try to come up with something. Anything.

The old legal saw is:
If the facts are on your side, argue the facts.
If the law is on your side, argue the law.
If neither are on your side, argue the Constitution.
And if the Constitution isn't on your side, argue like hell.

Holder has a specious Constitutional argument and is just generally arguing like hell. That's about it.
 
The government contends that the Arizona law violates the supremacy clause of the Constitution, a legal theory that says federal laws override state laws. It is already illegal under federal law to be in the country illegally, but Arizona is the first state to make it a state crime and add its own punishment and enforcement tactics

From the petition:

"In our constitutional system, the federal government has pre-eminent authority to regulate immigration matters," the lawsuit says. "This authority derives from the United States Constitution and numerous acts of Congress. The nation's immigration laws reflect a careful and considered balance of national law enforcement, foreign relations, and humanitarian interests

That one looks pretty tough to overcome. If AZ loses, the precedent could cripple any future state law regarding immigration.

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If the Fed wins this one, they lose.

Because Arizonans will ten take to the desert and start handling it the Arizona way.

I don't see any way for the Fed to legally win this case. In order for them to do so, SCOTUS will have to all but strike the 10th.
 
It's a shame the states have no standing to sue the federal government for something like dereliction of duty in failing, or refusing, to control the border. It is interesting to note tho that the administration was able to get off it's ass long enough to file what appears to be an unnecessary suit.

Actually, I am pretty sure they do have standing to sue the Federal Government. Several liberal states sued the Federal Government for green house gas regulation bs several years ago.
 
The government contends that the Arizona law violates the supremacy clause of the Constitution, a legal theory that says federal laws override state laws. It is already illegal under federal law to be in the country illegally, but Arizona is the first state to make it a state crime and add its own punishment and enforcement tactics

From the petition:

"In our constitutional system, the federal government has pre-eminent authority to regulate immigration matters," the lawsuit says. "This authority derives from the United States Constitution and numerous acts of Congress. The nation's immigration laws reflect a careful and considered balance of national law enforcement, foreign relations, and humanitarian interests

That one looks pretty tough to overcome. If AZ loses, the precedent could cripple any future state law regarding immigration.

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Nope, actually, it's a bunch of BS. Any lawyer worth their degree that just wasn't a political hack would tell you that.

The Supremacy Clause says a state can't do something that contradicts federal law (provided the feds have the jurisdiction to act in that area). In this case, the AZ crafted a law that is not quite as stringent as the Federal law. So, it does not contradict the federal law at all.

As a Supremacy clause case, you can compare this to CA standards on emissions. The Feds have acted in the area of emissions controls for cars, yet CA maintains a law that is much stricter than the feds. Why hasn't it been preempted by the feds? Because it doesn't contradict federal law, it says the samething, only stronger.

AZ stands in the same position with regard to illegals. They don't contradict federal law, their just going to enforce it. That's why the feds really have nothing.
 
The fact that after 911 we have not done as much as humanly possible to protect our borders I find absolutely astonishing.We basically have a situation where anyone from an organized terrorist group
to some loser with an incurable contagious disease literally having a way to walk across our border is amazing.
 
Its legal bullshit. All AZ needs to do is keep appealing to the USSC and they win, that's if none of the other courts throw it out first. It just shows who Obama/Holder want to vote for them in November (Mexicanos). White voters have had enough of dems by a 56/39 score.

Oh my, Chris Matthews is in a tizzy, the dems are toast and the MSM is at a loss. Their team is getting clobbered and they can't do anything (most of the voters are watching FXN).

And so it begins. This think will go down. Mark my words. This state is hurting because of this so far and it will get wrorse.

(Psssst, remember the MLK birthday celebration tihngy?) lol
 
The regulation of immigration, naturalization and international commerce are powers specifically delegated to the federal government alone. Even if you support the spirit of Arizona's law you cannot deny the hard facts of the constitutionally-delegated powers. Arizona is intruding into federal policy in an area where the federal government is given sole authority to regulate. A temporary injunction on the law is pretty much guaranteed.
 

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