US Savage Imperialism

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    In the beginning, there is Chomsky.

    "It's tempting to go back to the beginning.

    "The beginning goes pretty far back, but it is useful to think about some aspects of American history that bear directly on current U.S. policy in the Middle East.

    "The U.S. is a pretty unusual country in many ways.

    "It's maybe the only country in the world that was founded as an empire.

    "It was an infant empire—as George Washington called it—and the founding fathers had broad aspirations.

    "The most libertarian of them, Thomas Jefferson, thought that this infant empire should spread and become what he called the 'nest' from which the entire continent would be colonized.

    "That would get rid of the 'Red,' the Indians as they'd be driven away or exterminated.

    "The Blacks would be sent back to Africa when we don't need them anymore and the Latins will be eliminated by a superior race."

    Does American history, with its settler colonialist mentality, resonate with US support for Israel's current policies in the occupied territories?

    Is today's "Iranian Threat" the latest manifestation of John Quincy Adams's grand strategy of security through expansion, the belief "...that you can't really have security until you control everything"?
     
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    Merry Christmas to You Too George. ;)
     
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    chomsky's an idiot.
     
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    Not entirely.

    I don't agree with the guy..indeed I chuckled when he was debating William Buckley and Buckely threatened to punch him in the nose if he called him a nazi, again. But he makes some interesting points here and there.

    Definitely not a person to be taken lightly.
     
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    There doesn't seem to be any disagreement with the claim that Chomsky is the eighth most widely quoted author in History.

    Shakespeare, Freud, Marx, Chaucer, Cicero...Chomsky.

    He's the only living member of an all time top ten list that begins with the Bible.

    Whether you endorse his politics or not, it's hard to ignore his contributions.
     
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    I hope you're not falling into that whole Solar Messiah Thing

    Happy New Year, Intense!
     
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    What were his contributions? I've never seen any other than his hatred of America.
     
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    From Wiki:

    "Avram Noam Chomsky (pronounced /ˈnoʊm/ or /ˌnoʊ.əm ˈtʃɒmski/; born December 7, 1928) is an American linguist, philosopher,[2][3] cognitive scientist, and political activist. He is an Institute Professor and professor emeritus of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.[4]

    "Chomsky is well known in the academic and scientific community as one of the fathers of modern linguistics,[5][6][7] and a major figure of analytic philosophy.[2] Since the 1960s, he has become known more widely as a political dissident and an anarchist,[8] referring to himself as a libertarian socialist.

    "Chomsky is the author of more than 150 books and has received worldwide attention for his views, despite being typically absent from the mainstream media."

    Chomsky hates moral hypocrites and there's no shortage of those among US elites.
     
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    I figure.....if I was an Iranian....and, someone asked me why I needed nukes....I'd point to Iraq, and say.....

    "That's what happens, when you DON'T have nukes."

    (...Especially when Chickenhawks know you have no Nukes.)​
     
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    Description of Appeal to Authority

    An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:

    1. Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
    2. Person A makes claim C about subject S.
    3. Therefore, C is true.

    This fallacy is committed when the person in question is not a legitimate authority on the subject. More formally, if person A is not qualified to make reliable claims in subject S, then the argument will be fallacious.​
     

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