US Navy scrambled jets after Russian planes approached carrier

[Book of Jeremiah]

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U.S. Navy scrambled jets after Russian planes approached carrier – official
REUTERS, 29/10 16:18 CET

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A U.S. Navy aircraft carrier scrambled four F-18 jets on Tuesday after two Russian anti-submarine aircraft flew within a nautical mile of the warship, a Navy official said on Thursday.

News media reports said the incident occurred in international waters east of the Korean peninsula.

A U.S. Navy official said two Russian TU-142 “Bear” aircraft flew within a nautical mile of the Reagan, prompting it to launch four F-18 fighter jets to escort the planes away from the ship.

The TU-145 Bear is a long-range anti-submarine warfare plane and a variant of the Tu-95 Bear strategic bomber.
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It does appear that Vladimir Putin is testing our resolve. The timing of this news story is significant in that China has mentioned war with the United States if we do not cease and desist from our patrol in international waters off the South China Sea. Notice in the news story above that the two Russian TU-142 Bear aircraft flew within "one nautical mile" of the Reagan carrier before four of our F-18 fighter jets responded and escorted the planes away from the ship.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"A U.S. Navy official said two Russian TU-142 “Bear” aircraft flew within a nautical mile of the Reagan, prompting it to launch four F-18 fighter jets to escort the planes away from the ship."

Say what? That doesn't make sense. 1 mile? Time to launch an intercept was at like 100 miles. WTF were they waiting for?

I'm going to assume they did in fact launch the intercept a lot sooner, and that it's more like with F-18s in the air on their heels they THEN got that close.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

"A U.S. Navy official said two Russian TU-142 “Bear” aircraft flew within a nautical mile of the Reagan, prompting it to launch four F-18 fighter jets to escort the planes away from the ship."

Say what? That doesn't make sense. 1 mile? Time to launch an intercept was at like 100 miles. WTF were they waiting for?

I'm going to assume they did in fact launch the intercept a lot sooner, and that it's more like with F-18s in the air on their heels they THEN got that close.

You heard correctly. One nautical mile.
Very disturbing.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"A U.S. Navy official said two Russian TU-142 “Bear” aircraft flew within a nautical mile of the Reagan, prompting it to launch four F-18 fighter jets to escort the planes away from the ship."

Say what? That doesn't make sense. 1 mile? Time to launch an intercept was at like 100 miles. WTF were they waiting for?

I'm going to assume they did in fact launch the intercept a lot sooner, and that it's more like with F-18s in the air on their heels they THEN got that close.

You heard correctly. One nautical mile.
Very disturbing.

Well it'd be disturbing a lot farther away than that. But ASW planes aren't a major threat. Gotta wonder though what the 'red line' is around a carrier group. I'd think it's a lot farther out than 1 mile.

I can only assume they have major inflexible orders about defense. Don't fire unless fired upoin AND hit type stuff. Otherwise they could touch off a military action which spirals out of control.

 

[waltky]

Granny says shoot `em outta the sky...

... then when Putin complains...

... shoot him too.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

"A U.S. Navy official said two Russian TU-142 “Bear” aircraft flew within a nautical mile of the Reagan, prompting it to launch four F-18 fighter jets to escort the planes away from the ship."

Say what? That doesn't make sense. 1 mile? Time to launch an intercept was at like 100 miles. WTF were they waiting for?

I'm going to assume they did in fact launch the intercept a lot sooner, and that it's more like with F-18s in the air on their heels they THEN got that close.

You heard correctly. One nautical mile.
Very disturbing.

Well it'd be disturbing a lot farther away than that. But ASW planes aren't a major threat. Gotta wonder though what the 'red line' is around a carrier group. I'd think it's a lot farther out than 1 mile.

Thank you for your input, Delta. I appreciate your expertise on this subject as you did serve in our military. It is a blessing to have military people on USMB that can help us better understand reports such as this one.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"A U.S. Navy official said two Russian TU-142 “Bear” aircraft flew within a nautical mile of the Reagan, prompting it to launch four F-18 fighter jets to escort the planes away from the ship."

Say what? That doesn't make sense. 1 mile? Time to launch an intercept was at like 100 miles. WTF were they waiting for?

I'm going to assume they did in fact launch the intercept a lot sooner, and that it's more like with F-18s in the air on their heels they THEN got that close.

You heard correctly. One nautical mile.
Very disturbing.

Well it'd be disturbing a lot farther away than that. But ASW planes aren't a major threat. Gotta wonder though what the 'red line' is around a carrier group. I'd think it's a lot farther out than 1 mile.

Thank you for your input, Delta. I appreciate your expertise on this subject as you did serve in our military. It is a blessing to have military people on USMB that can help us better understand reports such as this one.

Was in the Navy but not on-board ships. Full disclosure.

 

[WorldWatcher]

"A U.S. Navy official said two Russian TU-142 “Bear” aircraft flew within a nautical mile of the Reagan, prompting it to launch four F-18 fighter jets to escort the planes away from the ship."

Say what? That doesn't make sense. 1 mile? Time to launch an intercept was at like 100 miles. WTF were they waiting for?

I'm going to assume they did in fact launch the intercept a lot sooner, and that it's more like with F-18s in the air on their heels they THEN got that close.

As a retired Navy Sailor that flew as a RADAR Operator/In-Flight Technican on E-2 Hawkeye airborne command and control aircraft...

Yes the intercept is normally MUCH farther out. Our airborne RADAR at the time had a range of 250 miles at about 25,000 feet.

I highly doubt the reporter understood what happened. The aircraft would have been intercepted well away from the ship. If the Russian's got within 1-mile and then they launched, the the CO's of the ships fucked up.

Well it'd be disturbing a lot farther away than that. But ASW planes aren't a major threat. Gotta wonder though what the 'red line' is around a carrier group. I'd think it's a lot farther out than 1 mile.

"Bears" (the Russian plane) was built originally as a bomber, even their ASW version retains air-surface and anti-ship missile capabilities.


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[Delta4Embassy]

"A U.S. Navy official said two Russian TU-142 “Bear” aircraft flew within a nautical mile of the Reagan, prompting it to launch four F-18 fighter jets to escort the planes away from the ship."

Say what? That doesn't make sense. 1 mile? Time to launch an intercept was at like 100 miles. WTF were they waiting for?

I'm going to assume they did in fact launch the intercept a lot sooner, and that it's more like with F-18s in the air on their heels they THEN got that close.

As a retired Navy Sailor that flew as a RADAR Operator/In-Flight Technican on E-2 Hawkeye airborne command and control aircraft...

Yes the intercept is normally MUCH farther out. Our airborne RADAR at the time had a range of 250 miles at about 25,000 feet.

I highly doubt the reporter understood what happened. The aircraft would have been intercepted well away from the ship. If the Russian's got within 1-mile and then they launched, the the CO's of the ships fucked up.

Well it'd be disturbing a lot farther away than that. But ASW planes aren't a major threat. Gotta wonder though what the 'red line' is around a carrier group. I'd think it's a lot farther out than 1 mile.

"Bears" (the Russian plane) was built originally as a bomber, even their ASW version retains air-surface and anti-ship missile capabilities.


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Our own SLAM antiship missiles have a range of "580 miles."

1 mile is "stupid close." Too late to do much of anything then. Probably too close even for Phallanx systems I'd think.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

You know more than many of us on the subject. I appreciate your comments here.

"A U.S. Navy official said two Russian TU-142 “Bear” aircraft flew within a nautical mile of the Reagan, prompting it to launch four F-18 fighter jets to escort the planes away from the ship."

Say what? That doesn't make sense. 1 mile? Time to launch an intercept was at like 100 miles. WTF were they waiting for?

I'm going to assume they did in fact launch the intercept a lot sooner, and that it's more like with F-18s in the air on their heels they THEN got that close.

As a retired Navy Sailor that flew as a RADAR Operator/In-Flight Technican on E-2 Hawkeye airborne command and control aircraft...

Yes the intercept is normally MUCH farther out. Our airborne RADAR at the time had a range of 250 miles at about 25,000 feet.

I highly doubt the reporter understood what happened. The aircraft would have been intercepted well away from the ship. If the Russian's got within 1-mile and then they launched, the the CO's of the ships fucked up.

Well it'd be disturbing a lot farther away than that. But ASW planes aren't a major threat. Gotta wonder though what the 'red line' is around a carrier group. I'd think it's a lot farther out than 1 mile.

"Bears" (the Russian plane) was built originally as a bomber, even their ASW version retains air-surface and anti-ship missile capabilities.


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I did look up a few more articles to confirm the report was accurate. It is, W.W..
Here is another report:

The Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group and South Korean navy ships steam in formation during an exercise Tuesday, Oct. 27, 2015, in international waters to the east of the Korean Peninsula. Two Russian aircraft flew within one nautical mile at a height of 500 feet, prompting the carrier to launch four fighter jets in response. The Russian aircraft left without further incident.
NATHAN BURKE/U.S. NAVY
Russian aircraft approach USS Ronald Reagan, prompting US fighter jet scramble
The Reagan is essentially a floating airport, complete with an air traffic control center that tracks and communicates with nearby aircraft. When the carrier engages in flight operations, it institutes a carrier control zone, which extends up to 2,500 feet and within a five-mile radius, according to the Navy’s flight training instruction carrier procedures.

Navy officials did not discuss Thursday whether the carrier was engaged in flight operations when the Russian aircraft approached.

Even if we don’t have flight operations ongoing, we are still very cognizant of what is going on in the airspace, within a good distance,” Cole said.
The lack of communication by the Russian aircraft also conflicted with general aviation practice. Even commercial airports of any significant size generally expect two-way radio contact when aircraft fly as close as the Russians did, according to international aviation guidelines.

This week’s incident added to a busy day for the Navy in the Asia-Pacific region. It happened at roughly the same time that the destroyer USS Lassen sailed within a 12-nautical-mile territorial zone claimed by China around Subi Reef in the South China Sea.

The U.S. undertook the “freedom of navigation” operation because it considers those waters international, though China condemned the move as a violation of its “indisputable sovereignty.”

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I'd think, doing some deep thinking in my deep thinking room (with a shower, sink, etc. hehe) this was a response to the destroyer in South China Sea incident the other day. 1 mile probably is within the traditional shoot at you range, but given recent events they held back and let China save face as it were responding to our own intrusion into what they consider their restricted territory.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I'd think, doing some deep thinking in my deep thinking room (with a shower, sink, etc. hehe) this was a response to the destroyer in South China Sea incident the other day. 1 mile probably is within the traditional shoot at you range, but given recent events they held back and let China save face as it were responding to our own intrusion into what they consider their restricted territory.

And I'd say you're right.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You know more than many of us on the subject. I appreciate your comments here.

"A U.S. Navy official said two Russian TU-142 “Bear” aircraft flew within a nautical mile of the Reagan, prompting it to launch four F-18 fighter jets to escort the planes away from the ship."

Say what? That doesn't make sense. 1 mile? Time to launch an intercept was at like 100 miles. WTF were they waiting for?

I'm going to assume they did in fact launch the intercept a lot sooner, and that it's more like with F-18s in the air on their heels they THEN got that close.

As a retired Navy Sailor that flew as a RADAR Operator/In-Flight Technican on E-2 Hawkeye airborne command and control aircraft...

Yes the intercept is normally MUCH farther out. Our airborne RADAR at the time had a range of 250 miles at about 25,000 feet.

I highly doubt the reporter understood what happened. The aircraft would have been intercepted well away from the ship. If the Russian's got within 1-mile and then they launched, the the CO's of the ships fucked up.

Well it'd be disturbing a lot farther away than that. But ASW planes aren't a major threat. Gotta wonder though what the 'red line' is around a carrier group. I'd think it's a lot farther out than 1 mile.

"Bears" (the Russian plane) was built originally as a bomber, even their ASW version retains air-surface and anti-ship missile capabilities.


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I did look up a few more articles to confirm the report was accurate. It is, W.W..
Here is another report:

The Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group and South Korean navy ships steam in formation during an exercise Tuesday, Oct. 27, 2015, in international waters to the east of the Korean Peninsula. Two Russian aircraft flew within one nautical mile at a height of 500 feet, prompting the carrier to launch four fighter jets in response. The Russian aircraft left without further incident.
NATHAN BURKE/U.S. NAVY
Russian aircraft approach USS Ronald Reagan, prompting US fighter jet scramble
The Reagan is essentially a floating airport, complete with an air traffic control center that tracks and communicates with nearby aircraft. When the carrier engages in flight operations, it institutes a carrier control zone, which extends up to 2,500 feet and within a five-mile radius, according to the Navy’s flight training instruction carrier procedures.

Navy officials did not discuss Thursday whether the carrier was engaged in flight operations when the Russian aircraft approached.

Even if we don’t have flight operations ongoing, we are still very cognizant of what is going on in the airspace, within a good distance,” Cole said.
The lack of communication by the Russian aircraft also conflicted with general aviation practice. Even commercial airports of any significant size generally expect two-way radio contact when aircraft fly as close as the Russians did, according to international aviation guidelines.

This week’s incident added to a busy day for the Navy in the Asia-Pacific region. It happened at roughly the same time that the destroyer USS Lassen sailed within a 12-nautical-mile territorial zone claimed by China around Subi Reef in the South China Sea.

The U.S. undertook the “freedom of navigation” operation because it considers those waters international, though China condemned the move as a violation of its “indisputable sovereignty.”

I'm not saying it's impossible, as I said before, if it did happen in the way some are interpreting news reports, then the CO's of the ships and AW (Alpha Wiskey - Airborne Warfare Coordinator) screwed the pooch.

What I am saying is that I don't as a matter of fucntion believe that the press it getting it right. I would want to see the detailed after even report showing a timeline of (a) when the Bears were detected, (b) when the launch order was given, and (c) when and at what range the intercept occurred.

I've flown airborne command and control missions off carriers in the South China Sea, if the Bears got that close before being detected, then someone fucked up. But I doubt it happened the away the press is reporting it in general, I think they either don't understand the sequence of events or are purposely using language that isn't clear.

Take another report that worded it differently:

"The pair of Russian Bear Bombers had failed to respond to radio calls as they advanced toward the vicinity of the USS Ronald Reagan, and four F/A-18 Super Hornets were deployed, U.S. Navy officials said. Once under American escort, the Russian bombers skimmed the water at an altitude of 500 feet and came within one nautical mile of the aircraft carrier."

Two Russian Warplanes Edge Close to U.S. Aircraft Carrier​

The wording of this report is that the F/A-18's were launch earlier and escorted the Bears on their close approach, not that they launched after the close approach.


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[Delta4Embassy]

You know more than many of us on the subject. I appreciate your comments here.

"A U.S. Navy official said two Russian TU-142 “Bear” aircraft flew within a nautical mile of the Reagan, prompting it to launch four F-18 fighter jets to escort the planes away from the ship."

Say what? That doesn't make sense. 1 mile? Time to launch an intercept was at like 100 miles. WTF were they waiting for?

I'm going to assume they did in fact launch the intercept a lot sooner, and that it's more like with F-18s in the air on their heels they THEN got that close.

As a retired Navy Sailor that flew as a RADAR Operator/In-Flight Technican on E-2 Hawkeye airborne command and control aircraft...

Yes the intercept is normally MUCH farther out. Our airborne RADAR at the time had a range of 250 miles at about 25,000 feet.

I highly doubt the reporter understood what happened. The aircraft would have been intercepted well away from the ship. If the Russian's got within 1-mile and then they launched, the the CO's of the ships fucked up.

Well it'd be disturbing a lot farther away than that. But ASW planes aren't a major threat. Gotta wonder though what the 'red line' is around a carrier group. I'd think it's a lot farther out than 1 mile.

"Bears" (the Russian plane) was built originally as a bomber, even their ASW version retains air-surface and anti-ship missile capabilities.


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I did look up a few more articles to confirm the report was accurate. It is, W.W..
Here is another report:

The Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group and South Korean navy ships steam in formation during an exercise Tuesday, Oct. 27, 2015, in international waters to the east of the Korean Peninsula. Two Russian aircraft flew within one nautical mile at a height of 500 feet, prompting the carrier to launch four fighter jets in response. The Russian aircraft left without further incident.
NATHAN BURKE/U.S. NAVY
Russian aircraft approach USS Ronald Reagan, prompting US fighter jet scramble
The Reagan is essentially a floating airport, complete with an air traffic control center that tracks and communicates with nearby aircraft. When the carrier engages in flight operations, it institutes a carrier control zone, which extends up to 2,500 feet and within a five-mile radius, according to the Navy’s flight training instruction carrier procedures.

Navy officials did not discuss Thursday whether the carrier was engaged in flight operations when the Russian aircraft approached.

Even if we don’t have flight operations ongoing, we are still very cognizant of what is going on in the airspace, within a good distance,” Cole said.
The lack of communication by the Russian aircraft also conflicted with general aviation practice. Even commercial airports of any significant size generally expect two-way radio contact when aircraft fly as close as the Russians did, according to international aviation guidelines.

This week’s incident added to a busy day for the Navy in the Asia-Pacific region. It happened at roughly the same time that the destroyer USS Lassen sailed within a 12-nautical-mile territorial zone claimed by China around Subi Reef in the South China Sea.

The U.S. undertook the “freedom of navigation” operation because it considers those waters international, though China condemned the move as a violation of its “indisputable sovereignty.”

I'm not saying it's impossible, as I said before, if it did happen in the way some are interpreting news reports, then the CO's of the ships and AW (Alpha Wiskey - Airborne Warfare Coordinator) screwed the pooch.

What I am saying is that I don't as a matter of fucntion believe that the press it getting it right. I would want to see the detailed after even report showing a timeline of (a) when the Bears were detected, (b) when the launch order was given, and (c) when and at what range the intercept occurred.

I've flown airborne command and control missions off carriers in the South China Sea, if the Bears got that close before being detected, then someone fucked up. But I doubt it happened the away the press is reporting it in general, I think they either don't understand the sequence of events or are purposely using language that isn't clear.

Take another report that worded it differently:

"The pair of Russian Bear Bombers had failed to respond to radio calls as they advanced toward the vicinity of the USS Ronald Reagan, and four F/A-18 Super Hornets were deployed, U.S. Navy officials said. Once under American escort, the Russian bombers skimmed the water at an altitude of 500 feet and came within one nautical mile of the aircraft carrier."

Two Russian Warplanes Edge Close to U.S. Aircraft Carrier​

The wording of this report is that the F/A-18's were launch earlier and escorted the Bears on their close approach, not that they launched after the close approach.


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Press does tend to embelish mundane events to make them seem more interesting.

I'd think that from the time they took off from their shore base, an E2 Hawkeye had them on radar. "2 Chinese bogies taking off from Whereever." Then the moment they turned towards the Reagan carrier group it became "Ok those 2 Chinese bogies have turned and are now headed for CVN whatever yadda yadda. Range 200 nautical." And on in until at some predetermined range the carrier launch an intercept to intimiate and stand by if need be. Then the 4 planes flew leisurely past the carrier's group within a mile or so.

 

[WorldWatcher]

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Technical correction:

I earlier made mention of the South China Sea, the event took place in the Sea of Japan east of the Korean Peninsula. Although I operated in both during my time.


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[Book of Jeremiah]

I found it interesting that the Russians responded for the Chinese. It confirms that they are backing China over there. Which is what I have suspected all along. Should China invade Taiwan and we respond? It's most likely Russia will respond for them while they handle Taiwan.

 

[Katzndogz]

Had the Russians put that ship to the bottom of the sea nothing would have happened.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Had the Russians put that ship to the bottom of the sea nothing would have happened.

When they (or we) do close fly-bys you take a heading parallel to the ship in question not flying directly at it. A combat aircraft flying directly at a combatant ship is considered and act of war.

With 2 F/A-18's on their ass, they would have been shot out of the sky as soon as their bomb Bay doors began opening and they changed heading to point their missiles at the ship.


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[RoshawnMarkwees]

Thanks to this hack-in-chief obama, the worst president in US history, "the 1980's (got) their foreign policy back".

 

[AvgGuyIA]

NewsWires : euronews : the latest international news as video on demand

U.S. Navy scrambled jets after Russian planes approached carrier – official
REUTERS, 29/10 16:18 CET

smaller_textlarger_text
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A U.S. Navy aircraft carrier scrambled four F-18 jets on Tuesday after two Russian anti-submarine aircraft flew within a nautical mile of the warship, a Navy official said on Thursday.

News media reports said the incident occurred in international waters east of the Korean peninsula.

A U.S. Navy official said two Russian TU-142 “Bear” aircraft flew within a nautical mile of the Reagan, prompting it to launch four F-18 fighter jets to escort the planes away from the ship.

The TU-145 Bear is a long-range anti-submarine warfare plane and a variant of the Tu-95 Bear strategic bomber.
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It does appear that Vladimir Putin is testing our resolve. The timing of this news story is significant in that China has mentioned war with the United States if we do not cease and desist from our patrol in international waters off the South China Sea. Notice in the news story above that the two Russian TU-142 Bear aircraft flew within "one nautical mile" of the Reagan carrier before four of our F-18 fighter jets responded and escorted the planes away from the ship.

. Putin is fucking with us ecause we have a pussy for a President. God help us if an anatomically correct pussy is our next president too.