US health insurance vs European insurance.

[Mindful]

How US private insurers differ from European private insurance companies. Part of a series with Sam Metz.

 

[JustAGuy1]

None of that is accurate.

 

[gipper]

How US private insurers differ from European private insurance companies. Part of a series with Sam Metz.

How about a short summary?

 

[Donald H]

How US private insurers differ from European private insurance companies. Part of a series with Sam Metz.

If his motive is to bring US insurance companies up to European standards, that's just beating a dead horse. There is no mechanism available to make that happen and no will in either party in government to even want that to happen.

That's the reason why Trump's announced plan to fix it never materialized.

There's obviously only one way forward and that is a socially responsible government be elected and then take it into government hands to administer it.

And that also explains why Trump's attempted revolution was so popular. The angry mob didn't know that Trump wasn't serious and wouldn't show up.

But they're going to give him another chance!
Maybe next time he will throw his insurance companies under the bus and do what the people trust him to do? Maybe? [/B]

 

[Likkmee]

If his motive is to bring US insurance companies up to European standards, that's just beating a dead horse. There is no mechanism available to make that happen and no will in either party in government to even want that to happen.

That's the reason why Trump's announced plan to fix it never materialized.

There's obviously only one way forward and that is a socially responsible government be elected and then take it into government hands to administer it.

And that also explains why Trump's attempted revolution was so popular. The angry mob didn't know that Trump wasn't serious and wouldn't show up.

But they're going to give him another chance!
Maybe next time he will throw his insurance companies under the bus and do what the people trust him to do? Maybe? [/B]

That might hurt the bus.
Toss them in a live volcano instead

 

[dblack]

How about a short summary?

No one can be excluded. Same price for everyone. In other words, not insurance - government subsidized social safety net. Public risk, private profits. Tales as old as time.

 

[dblack]

There's obviously only one way forward ...

... and here comes the con.

 

[Mindful]

How about a short summary?

I can only compare to Germany.

Healthcare: Germany VS America - Oddities and Ends

Healthcare in Germany and America is very different. Which system is better, though? Spoiler: it's Germany. Keep reading to find out why.

oaeblog.com

(I have recently been in an American hospital.)

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How about a short summary?

basically saying that US private health insurance companies drive up the cost of care in the US

 

[gipper]

basically saying that US private health insurance companies drive up the cost of care in the US

Probably right.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Public risk, private profits.

Hey, you just defined corporate capitalism more tersely than Chomsky!

 

[gipper]

basically saying that US private health insurance companies drive up the cost of care in the US

Funny how some Americans say they don’t want the government running HC. I’m an American who doesn’t want a few huge private equity firms owning all the hospitals, with the sole emphasis on quarterly profits. And I don’t want a few huge corporations controlling pharmaceutical drugs while buying off corporate media and government regulators, with sole emphasis on quarterly profits.

 

[Mindful]

Funny how some Americans say they don’t want the government running HC. I’m an American who doesn’t want a few huge private equity firms owning all the hospitals, with the sole emphasis on quarterly profits. And I don’t want a few huge corporations controlling pharmaceutical drugs while buying off corporate media and government regulators, with sole emphasis on quarterly profits.

The hospitals are being privatised in Germany.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Funny how some Americans say they don’t want the government running HC. I’m an American who doesn’t want a few huge private equity firms owning all the hospitals, with the sole emphasis on quarterly profits. And I don’t want a few huge corporations controlling pharmaceutical drugs while buying off corporate media and government regulators, with sole emphasis on quarterly profits.

I cannot disagree. This is what we end up with...

 

[Flash]

My wife and I are retired. My wife has a chronic illness (Lupus) and takes several daily medications. I am in fairly good health although I did have cancer a few years ago that was fully cured..

Each year we see preventative specialists like Heart, Dermatology and Primary Care. We both see Ophthalmologists several times a year and usually a Optometrist We both had Cataract surgeries in both eyes and occasionally other procedures.

Usually in a year we see one or more specialist just to check things out.

We get excellent care.

Not including dental our total cost of medical care in a year very seldom exceeds 5% of our income. That includes medical insurance, medications and all co payments and deductibles. The IRS allows for medical deductions on taxes but we never exceed the threshold amounts.

When I had cancer I could have got it treated through the VA for free but instead chose to pay the insurance deductible myself and get better faster treatment. I don't trust the government with my health care. Too important to be left to bureaucrats.

Heath care is great in the US. Even the poor welfare queens get great treatment better than what most people get in the rest of the world. It would be better and cheaper if the government didn't have so many regulations and interference. The government fucks up everything.

 

[gipper]

My wife and I are retired. My wife has a chronic illness (Lupus) and takes several daily medications. I am in fairly good health although I did have cancer a few years ago that was fully cured..

Each year we see preventative specialists like Heart, Dermatology and Primary Care. We both see Ophthalmologists several times a year and usually a Optometrist We both had Cataract surgeries in both eyes and occasionally other procedures.

Usually in a year we see one or more specialist just to check things out.

We get excellent care.

Not including dental our total cost of medical care in a year very seldom exceeds 5% of our income. That includes medical insurance, medications and all co payments and deductibles. The IRS allows for medical deductions on taxes but we never exceed the threshold amounts.

When I had cancer I could have got it treated through the VA for free but instead chose to pay the insurance deductible myself and get better faster treatment. I don't trust the government with my health care. Too important to be left to bureaucrats.

Heath care is great in the US. Even the poor welfare queens get great treatment better than what most people get in the rest of the world. It would be better and cheaper if the government didn't have so many regulations and interference. The government fucks up everything.

You’re on Medicare. That’s a government program that you greatly benefit from, yet you bitch and moan about government. Why?

You do know that the government isn’t your doctors, hospitals, and specialists. Government is merely paying those people for you.

Medicare for all NOW!

 

[LordBrownTrout]

My wife and I are retired. My wife has a chronic illness (Lupus) and takes several daily medications. I am in fairly good health although I did have cancer a few years ago that was fully cured..

Each year we see preventative specialists like Heart, Dermatology and Primary Care. We both see Ophthalmologists several times a year and usually a Optometrist We both had Cataract surgeries in both eyes and occasionally other procedures.

Usually in a year we see one or more specialist just to check things out.

We get excellent care.

Not including dental our total cost of medical care in a year very seldom exceeds 5% of our income. That includes medical insurance, medications and all co payments and deductibles. The IRS allows for medical deductions on taxes but we never exceed the threshold amounts.

When I had cancer I could have got it treated through the VA for free but instead chose to pay the insurance deductible myself and get better faster treatment. I don't trust the government with my health care. Too important to be left to bureaucrats.

Heath care is great in the US. Even the poor welfare queens get great treatment better than what most people get in the rest of the world. It would be better and cheaper if the government didn't have so many regulations and interference. The government fucks up everything.

What you describe is exactly what my friends in canada deal with, govt run, exceptionally slow care. One example was a skiing accident in which a tendon in the leg was torn. Took 18 months to schedule a surgery.

 

[Flash]

You’re on Medicare. That’s a government program that you greatly benefit from, yet you bitch and moan about government. Why?

You do know that the government isn’t your doctors, hospitals, and specialists. Government is merely paying those people for you.

Medicare for all NOW!

No I am not. No Medicare. I have a retirement insurance program from the company I worked for.

Health care cost in not a big expenditure for me.

 

[Flash]

What you describe is exactly what my friends in canada deal with, govt run, exceptionally slow care. One example was a skiing accident in which a tendon in the leg was torn. Took 18 months to schedule a surgery.

Also, they pay a lot more in taxes.

Back in the 1990s I lived in a town near the Canadian border for seven years. Many Canadians came across the border to get US health care rather than what they could get for free. When I got there I was told not to make a doctor's appointment on Mondays because that was the day the Canadians flooded in.

 

[dblack]

You’re on Medicare. That’s a government program that you greatly benefit from, yet you bitch and moan about government. Why?

You do know that the government isn’t your doctors, hospitals, and specialists. Government is merely paying those people for you.

Medicare for all NOW!

Libertarian/Anarchist.