UNPRECEDENTED: Sen Shelby is placing a hold on ALL Nominees FOR WHAT? TO GET PORK!

[uscitizen]

Fiat makes crappy cars.

 

[Liability]

Be happy Brownbaggers. This is the change Your man brought.

Imagine the change once he actually gets seated.

He was sworn in yesterday.

 

[paperview]

This HAS NEVER BEEN DONE IN RECENT HISTORY what this skunk is doing.

Ever.

Holding up judicial nominees with cloture votes wasn't SOP until recently, but you had no problem with that when the holder-uppers had (D)s by their names.

When has a dem senator ever placed a blanket hold on ALL nominees?

 

[uscitizen]

The White House reaction involves the implicit "threat" that the President may resort to "recess" appoinments.

Remember, these are only "bad" when President Boooooosh resorted to them or threatened to.

so that means the right will not complain about them? since they did not when Bush did it?

 

[Care4all]

Sure.

About a year ago, a consortium of Airbus and Northrop/Grumman won the bid process to build the Air Force's new aerial tanker. Boeing, a bunch of their lobbyists and a slew of ignoramus economic populists cried foul. So, in direct violation of the bid process, the winning bid was thrown out and Boeing was given another shot at it.

That Shelby is mad over jobs in his state at Northrop/Grumman being put on hold, if not lost altogether, is quite understandable.

I'm sorry. I call that a crap reason to hold nominees ransom for Alabama earmarks.

No matter how it is spun, that's what it comes down to.

I do thank you for your explanation of how you see it though.

Getting Sen. Landrieu's vote for the Health Care bill by offering her state 300,000,000 was pretty damn cheesey, too. The point? The process has gotten corrupted.

Sure, it's not a new thing.

But at least Shelby is doing his thing to register a valid protest that procedures (designed for fairness, in theory anyway) should NOT be tossed aside for such cheap political reasons. And when it happens, the folks doing it should expect consequences in like measure.

IF it forces this Administration to stop handling all "obstacles" like a bull "handles" the wares in a china shop, maybe Shelby's behavior has some merit.

2 wrongs never make a right....

there are no excuses in my book, to do something that is wrong...even if it is to prove a point.

care

 

[VaYank5150]

The Tanker issue is a huge split in the military-industrail world, both sides of this have been going at it for some time, what it comes down too is thousands of jobs for the state that gets the contract.

Its not pork at all, its a battle over the way contractors get defense money.

So, he is holding out for the government to help employ his people with government contracts and tax payer dollars? Sounds like Socialism to me...

 

[Oddball]

This HAS NEVER BEEN DONE IN RECENT HISTORY what this skunk is doing.

Ever.

Holding up judicial nominees with cloture votes wasn't SOP until recently, but you had no problem with that when the holder-uppers had (D)s by their names.

When has a dem senator ever placed a blanket hold on ALL nominees?

That happened in the case of holding up the appointments of Luttig, Owen, Rogers-Brown et al.

That's why there was the "Gang of 14".

Your memory really isn't that short, is it?

 

[Xenophon]

The Tanker issue is a huge split in the military-industrail world, both sides of this have been going at it for some time, what it comes down too is thousands of jobs for the state that gets the contract.

Its not pork at all, its a battle over the way contractors get defense money.

So, he is holding out for the government to help employ his people with government contracts and tax payer dollars? Sounds like Socialism to me...

Shouldn't you be at a Barry fund raiser rally?

 

[Oddball]

The Tanker issue is a huge split in the military-industrail world, both sides of this have been going at it for some time, what it comes down too is thousands of jobs for the state that gets the contract.

Its not pork at all, its a battle over the way contractors get defense money.

So, he is holding out for the government to help employ his people with government contracts and tax payer dollars? Sounds like Socialism to me...

As was already pointed out, national defense is one of the very few legit functions of the federal gubmint.

Pretty lame attempt, even for you.

 

[VaYank5150]

The Tanker issue is a huge split in the military-industrail world, both sides of this have been going at it for some time, what it comes down too is thousands of jobs for the state that gets the contract.

Its not pork at all, its a battle over the way contractors get defense money.

So, he is holding out for the government to help employ his people with government contracts and tax payer dollars? Sounds like Socialism to me...

Shouldn't you be at a Barry fund raiser rally?

No, I should be collecting on your bet, but you aren't man enough to pay up.

 

[uscitizen]

Didn't we have a deal a few years ago about C-130's made in Al and bought fy the govt and the military did not even request them?

 

[VaYank5150]

The Tanker issue is a huge split in the military-industrail world, both sides of this have been going at it for some time, what it comes down too is thousands of jobs for the state that gets the contract.

Its not pork at all, its a battle over the way contractors get defense money.

So, he is holding out for the government to help employ his people with government contracts and tax payer dollars? Sounds like Socialism to me...

As was already pointed out, national defense is one of the very few legit functions of the federal gubmint.

Pretty lame attempt, even for you.

AND the Federal government should be allowed to do it's job. Not be held captive by this asshat in AL. Agreed?

 

[VaYank5150]

Didn't we have a deal a few years ago about C-130's made in Al and bought fy the govt and the military did not even request them?

We do not NEED these damn tankers in the first place. The military does not want them.

 

[Xenophon]

So, he is holding out for the government to help employ his people with government contracts and tax payer dollars? Sounds like Socialism to me...

Shouldn't you be at a Barry fund raiser rally?

No, I should be collecting on your bet, but you aren't man enough to pay up.

You owe me son, get the facts right.

 

[Xenophon]

Didn't we have a deal a few years ago about C-130's made in Al and bought fy the govt and the military did not even request them?

We do not NEED these damn tankers in the first place. The military does not want them.

Wrong again, which is about the only thing you are consistant with.

The AF has wanted to replace the tanker fleet for years, it dates back to the IKE era, and picked the Airbus plane to replace it.

Boeing's lobbyists badgered Barry and got the project contract cancelled and now they are redoing the process.

 

[paperview]

Holding up judicial nominees with cloture votes wasn't SOP until recently, but you had no problem with that when the holder-uppers had (D)s by their names.

When has a dem senator ever placed a blanket hold on ALL nominees?

That happened in the case of holding up the appointments of Luttig, Owen, Rogers-Brown et al.

That's why there was the "Gang of 14".

Your memory really isn't that short, is it?

That was NOT a blanket hold on ALL the presidents appointments.

And the GOP shrieked 24 / 7 on the few the dems did block with screams of Up or down vote Up or Down VOte!

 

[uscitizen]

Didn't we have a deal a few years ago about C-130's made in Al and bought fy the govt and the military did not even request them?

We do not NEED these damn tankers in the first place. The military does not want them.

Wrong again, which is about the only thing you are consistant with.

The AF has wanted to replace the tanker fleet for years, it dates back to the IKE era, and picked the Airbus plane to replace it.

Boeing's lobbyists badgered Barry and got the project contract cancelled and now they are redoing the process.

We also had a deal about some c-130 transports a few years ago I believe.
They were sold to the govt but no one seemed to want them at the time.

 

[paperview]

I tell ya, it's pretty fucked when we are almost 18 months since Obama's election we STILL don't have an NSA director confirmed yet.

 

[Oddball]

When has a dem senator ever placed a blanket hold on ALL nominees?

That happened in the case of holding up the appointments of Luttig, Owen, Rogers-Brown et al.

That's why there was the "Gang of 14".

Your memory really isn't that short, is it?

That was NOT a blanket hold on ALL the presidents appointments.

And the GOP shrieked 24 / 7 on the few the dems did block with screams of Up or down vote Up or Down VOte!

There was a whole logjam of nominees being held up over the seven or so "extremist" (i.e. not down-the-line liberal hack) judges. That's the fact.

BTW...If we were talking about a grant to the Montgomery Boll Weevil Museum here, I'd be on your side. But it's not.

The bid won by Airbus/Northrop/Grumman was thrown out for pure politics and nothing more. Crap like this is going to happen.

 

[paperview]

That happened in the case of holding up the appointments of Luttig, Owen, Rogers-Brown et al.

That's why there was the "Gang of 14".

Your memory really isn't that short, is it?

That was NOT a blanket hold on ALL the presidents appointments.

And the GOP shrieked 24 / 7 on the few the dems did block with screams of Up or down vote Up or Down VOte!

There was a whole logjam of nominees being held up over the seven or so "extremist" (i.e. not down-the-line liberal hack) judges. That's the fact.

BTW...If we were talking about a grant to the Montgomery Boll Weevil Museum here, I'd be on your side. But it's not.

The bid won by Airbus/Northrop/Grumman was thrown out for pure politics and nothing more. Crap like this is going to happen.

The nominees held up, rightly or wrongly, were held up for reasons of idealogy differences and the conflicting views they held.

In this case - it is a BLANKET fucking hold on SEVENTY nominees. SEVENTY.

That's holding them as ransom for EARMARKS for his own state.

It's EXTORTION. No more no less.