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The point at which the labor rates are at a level that allows a profit to be realized.Union members destroyed Government Motors and have caused many U.S. companies to pull up shop and move overseas and to Mexico and South America where the labor rates and benefits are much more reasonable.
What's the definition of 'reasonable'?
Really....Whether you want to admit or no, labor organizations are businesses. And as with any business, the primary goal is to maximize profit.Yeah, well if corporations didn't fuck over workers every chance they got and treated them with a bit of respect there would never have been a need for a labor movement in the first place.
Unions profit off the backs of their membership and the dollars unions coerce from other businesses.
Here's a classic case of where a union threw it's members under a bus.
Harley, union reach deal to keep York, Pa., plant open - JSOnline
OK....now let me ask you what YOU think the Union should have done in this circumstance, thereisnospoon?
Don't let me down. Answer me please!!
You're damned right I chased them out of the plant. They came in and took my job and I took it back with better pay and benefits.
And anyone who crosses a picket line is a scab. And scabs have no honor.
This is probably the best post in this thread. What you said is 100% correct. I'll be the first to say that if the workers are happy and satisfied in their work then they don't need to join a Union.
You can bet the farm I can come in and take your job
And any union pussy that comes within 42" of me will get their jaw broke, done it before and will not hesitate doing it again.
Wrong why work for a company that will fuck you? Are you to much of a chickenshit to make it on your own? Or is it that you can't do the work without help?This is probably the best post in this thread. What you said is 100% correct. I'll be the first to say that if the workers are happy and satisfied in their work then they don't need to join a Union
Hey Internet Rambo!!! You remind me of the buck toothed pimply faced 98 pound weakling trying to impress girls by making himself into something he's not. Had you not tried so hard to make yourself into some sort of badass you might have succeded.
So for now you are akin to "The Mouse That Roared".
In the middle of a crowded room you stand on a chair screaming at everyone insisting they pay you their undivided attention. You screech how it is THEY who are wrong and you are correct. The room pays you no mind.Most scabs are whiners and hate working, that is why so many have lost their jobs and corporations are leaving America. True. The bastards wouldn't take a cut in pay and forced the corporations to close and throw these fools families out in the streets. They are weaklings and couldn't compete with socialist foreigners. Corporations deserted these scabs. All that patriotic loyalty the scabs thought they had,...........LMAO!! Losers. They want to tell the world how great their capitalism is, that sent all the jobs to the choir overseas!! LMAO!! Now days they come here and cry and try to blame their predictiment on those evil Unions. Well oad Apples, my Brothers are still all working and your scab worms are being laid off in droves. You should have took a pay cut and gave up your benefits. hahaha
Hey Shit for Brains, worked for the largest private home builder from '93 to '04, they where HQ in Chicago......
Guess what housing market is still number one in America???? It dam sure isn't Chicago, I'll give you a clue, it is in Texas, you know that right to work state, the best economy in all 50 states.....
Like I said, you know nothing about this subject.....
Like I said, you should be ignored.You are a liar. Under every Texas hat is a load of cow road apples, and yours must be doubly stuffed. Texas is number 10 in the housing market, and if Chicago home values are down, we should look at the guy that "claims" he built them. LMAO!! You stupid fool!!! Go back to Texas you idiot!!
You seem to be the one who knows nothing about the subject, so go ask your crack dealer about who is number one again.
I know this is over your head, but here's the FACTS: http://www.nahb.org/fileupload_details.aspx?contentid=55104&channelID=311
Nah, that sounds like Texas Bullshit, and FORBES calls you a LIAR.
Pittsburgh, Pa.
America's Best Housing Markets - Forbes.com
Let me spell it out for you in simple terms, Texas is number one with 52,800 single family starts, number two Florida with 24,910, number one city Houston-Baytown-Sugarland 18,020 starts and where is the number two city??? That would be Texas too, Dallas-Ft. Worth-Arlington with 11,580 starts.....
The discussion is not about housing values dumb ass.....
No crackhead, it is about who is numeral Ono in America and you FAIL Road Apple.
Is this Junior Shit for Brains or is this Senior Shit for Brains, I would hate to be accused of picking on a minor, in your case I don't think you could be much over the age of 10 either way.....
They still have a bed at Bellview for you, Road Apple. All you have to do is look at the pictures. Oh FORBES said for you to bring your crayons and a spare diaper for your drizzling hat.
This really isn't fair, but please try again, it is so easy to punk you, it's probably illegal....
.............................Yeah, I hate beating up on Losers like you, especially the ones that can't remember what they wrote & try to change the name of the game after it already started. I assume it is the crack pipe, another Texas Road Apple victim buried in his own cow shit.
Really....Whether you want to admit or no, labor organizations are businesses. And as with any business, the primary goal is to maximize profit.
Unions profit off the backs of their membership and the dollars unions coerce from other businesses.
Here's a classic case of where a union threw it's members under a bus.
Harley, union reach deal to keep York, Pa., plant open - JSOnline
OK....now let me ask you what YOU think the Union should have done in this circumstance, thereisnospoon?
Don't let me down. Answer me please!!
Lowered wages so that EVERYONE could keep working.
The had a similar dilemma. The company told the union as a courtesy( the company could have just shut the doors after the 60 day notice) they informed the workers that the plant's costs were non competitive. The company offered a slightly lower wage which was a very small cut. The stumbling block was the company also asked the workers to contribute....a measly 10% of the cost of their health insurance. The union went nuts and dug it's heels into the ground. Guess what. the company had no choice but to close the plant and 500 people were displaced. How logical is THAT?!!!!!
The problem with union bosses and rank and file is they do not acknowledge the existence of other workers who are just as good if not better than what the insulated world of union labor provide. That said, there are lots of hard working hungry people who would gladly take a job paying a union wage and do that job for the prevailing market wage .
Union people arrogantly assume they are the only people worth hiring. Not true.
You can bet the farm I can come in and take your job
And any union pussy that comes within 42" of me will get their jaw broke, done it before and will not hesitate doing it again.
Wrong why work for a company that will fuck you? Are you to much of a chickenshit to make it on your own? Or is it that you can't do the work without help?
Hey Internet Rambo!!! You remind me of the buck toothed pimply faced 98 pound weakling trying to impress girls by making himself into something he's not. Had you not tried so hard to make yourself into some sort of badass you might have succeded.
So for now you are akin to "The Mouse That Roared".
did you think that up all by yourself?
The point at which the labor rates are at a level that allows a profit to be realized.Union members destroyed Government Motors and have caused many U.S. companies to pull up shop and move overseas and to Mexico and South America where the labor rates and benefits are much more reasonable.
What's the definition of 'reasonable'?
Why is it that foreign auto makers here in the US can run non-union plants, pay their workers at time MORE than UAW workers create a superior product and still make a profit?
Did you know that the average salary for a line worker in the San Antonio TX Toyota truck plant earns $70,000 per year. He/she also gets great benefits.
Like I said, you should be ignored.
You seem to be the one who knows nothing about the subject, so go ask your crack dealer about who is number one again.
I know this is over your head, but here's the FACTS: http://www.nahb.org/fileupload_details.aspx?contentid=55104&channelID=311
Let me spell it out for you in simple terms, Texas is number one with 52,800 single family starts, number two Florida with 24,910, number one city Houston-Baytown-Sugarland 18,020 starts and where is the number two city??? That would be Texas too, Dallas-Ft. Worth-Arlington with 11,580 starts.....
The discussion is not about housing values dumb ass.....
Is this Junior Shit for Brains or is this Senior Shit for Brains, I would hate to be accused of picking on a minor, in your case I don't think you could be much over the age of 10 either way.....
This really isn't fair, but please try again, it is so easy to punk you, it's probably illegal....
.............................Yeah, I hate beating up on Losers like you, especially the ones that can remember what they wrote & try to change the name of the game after it already started. I assume it is the crack pipe, another Texas Road Apple victim buried in his own cow shit.
Yet the Forbes article you are now quoting has it at # 3.......shintao said:Texas is number 10 in the housing market
all the time......
You are a bag of hot air wrapped in angry rhetoric. You have noting on the side of substance.
Look, you math whiz....Here's the deal. If a builder who has to accept union membership pays his people $25 per hour moves operation to a right to work state and pays them $17 per hour, which one costs less?..DUH?
Time and time again the union rallying cry that only union member tradesmen can put anything together has been debunked as fallacy.
If that were true, houses built by non-union labor would be falling down.
These structures are just fine, thank you very much.
And know this. Because of less expensive non-union labor many more of us can afford to buy a home.
in fact union labor is non existent in home construction.
It isn't needed. Quite frankly with the union "slow down the work" rules, it would take twice as long to build a home.
This places buyers in jeopardy with the timing of their own homer sale and move out of old home/ move in to new home.
You can strut the same old tired horse shit union rhetoric. It doesn't wash. No one buys it and no one cares what you have to say in defense of unions.
Yeah, I know you are right. Most of you idiots burn up in the house fire or roof collapse. LOL!!
Unbelievable.
all the nonsense you can type in one post is of galactic proportions. And cursewords too! Remarkable.
Hey....."FUCK ASS",...it still does not change the facts. Union labor is on it's way out ans we are the better for it.I am sure you prefer being called fuckface, because you keep sucking mah cock. And you still have not provided any facts or references to back up any of your bullshit.
Stop insisting. You are getting your ass kicked all over the place here.You have no "FACTS" fuckface, just spews of bullshit like Road Apple.
You're done.Fuckface is finally admitting he lost to the Union Man, because he doesn't have any FACTS, or any REFERENCES to back up any of his bullshit. LMAO!!! LOSER!!!
Out of gas.Your fucked & forked.
Shop closed.Cock down your throat.
Gates locked.Fuckface locked outside.
Go home.Cock shooting load down your throat.
Or hang out in the union hall and play gin with your union thug buddies.Eat mah week old shorts.
There's no work for you.Fuckface admits he lost again.
Freedom reins.Theres a cock up your ass for you.
No more closed societies.Not for scabs.
No more cronyism.No more glass ceilings, closed doors, or closed gates.
No more having to grease the palms of the right people to get work.No more Retards Good ol Boy shoe-ins
The international brotherhood of we work from 8 am until 3pm and get paid for 8 hours bullshit is over.Fuckface greasing his ass to keep job.
Test tube baby.Fuckface is ready for slavery.
Yep, that decribes fuckface alright,
I know this is over your head, but here's the FACTS: http://www.nahb.org/fileupload_details.aspx?contentid=55104&channelID=311
Let me spell it out for you in simple terms, Texas is number one with 52,800 single family starts, number two Florida with 24,910, number one city Houston-Baytown-Sugarland 18,020 starts and where is the number two city??? That would be Texas too, Dallas-Ft. Worth-Arlington with 11,580 starts.....
The discussion is not about housing values dumb ass.....
Is this Junior Shit for Brains or is this Senior Shit for Brains, I would hate to be accused of picking on a minor, in your case I don't think you could be much over the age of 10 either way.....
This really isn't fair, but please try again, it is so easy to punk you, it's probably illegal....
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Starts are what determine the #1 housing market dumb ass.....
I just gave you #1 Housing Market, dumb fuck, and from FORBES, not some Texas shit hole bragging up a story to get paid for. READ ASSHOLE, if you can get that Road Apple juice off your eyebrows. "Real Estate America's Best Housing MarketsFrancesca "
The only thing that changed is you where punked again.....
Hard to do with mah cock down your throat Twinkie boy.
Yet the Forbes article you are now quoting has it at # 3.......shintao said:Texas is number 10 in the housing market
That's because you can't read and suck mah cock at the same time, Twinkie boy.
Do you win anything? Must suck to have your ass
You are the only dumbass here, and its not all your fault, you are a Texan and just naturally dumber than a sack of cow shit. So STFU Twinkie Boy! Dam, I hate to beat up on old MILF spunkers who build houses that rate "FAILED."
does anyone else wish shitstaino would stop fucking up the quotes?
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Starts are what determine the #1 housing market dumb ass.....
The only thing that changed is you where punked again.....
Yet the Forbes article you are now quoting has it at # 3.......
Do you win anything? Must suck to have your ass
You are the only dumbass here, and its not all your fault, you are a Texan and just naturally dumber than a sack of cow shit. So STFU Twinkie Boy! Dam, I hate to beat up on old MILF spunkers who build houses that rate "FAILED."
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You're damned right I chased them out of the plant. They came in and took my job and I took it back with better pay and benefits.
And anyone who crosses a picket line is a scab. And scabs have no honor.
This is probably the best post in this thread. What you said is 100% correct. I'll be the first to say that if the workers are happy and satisfied in their work then they don't need to join a Union.
You can bet the farm I can come in and take your job
And any union pussy that comes within 42" of me will get their jaw broke, done it before and will not hesitate doing it again.
Wrong why work for a company that will fuck you? Are you to much of a chickenshit to make it on your own? Or is it that you can't do the work without help?This is probably the best post in this thread. What you said is 100% correct. I'll be the first to say that if the workers are happy and satisfied in their work then they don't need to join a Union
Hey Internet Rambo!!! You remind me of the buck toothed pimply faced 98 pound weakling trying to impress girls by making himself into something he's not. Had you not tried so hard to make yourself into some sort of badass you might have succeded.
So for now you are akin to "The Mouse That Roared".
Yeah, I knew it had something to do with cleaning toilets. You wouldn't happen to live in Oregon, would you? One of my brothers up there is a pipe fitter BA, and would be glad to come out and shut down your job site for an inspection.
Thank you for proving the case that union members act maliciously for no reason other than not agreeing with them.
So you must be buying your crack from the same dealer as Road Apple & fuckface. Of course you don't understand why people are malicious, so STFU imbecile.
This is shintao.....The MovieWavs Page - Monty Python: mp4.wavYeah, I knew it had something to do with cleaning toilets. You wouldn't happen to live in Oregon, would you? One of my brothers up there is a pipe fitter BA, and would be glad to come out and shut down your job site for an inspection.
How do you get cleaning toilets from building plumbinmg systems? I have never failed an inspection as of yet and it's been 23 years, so bring it on and as for shuting the job down? Better have a good reason because I would have him fired. I would report him to the State board comission, for over stepping his authority.
Have you noticed the depths of classlessness shintao has sunk.
He knows he is beaten like a rented mule. Yet, he comes back for more. He is the little brat on the block no one wanted to hang out with. So the other kids beat the sit out of him once in a while just to remind him he was not wanted but merely tolerated.
I worked for a small family plumbing shop. The father of the two brothers I worked for was the plumbing inspector for 6 small towns in northern NJ. We did stellar work. Had to. The dad would "fail" us on jobs to avoid the appearance of impropriety.
Umm.....no union...Didn't need one. We did residential work anyway.
As far as the "must join the union" shit put forth by shitnow is pure nonsense. In Right to Work states, there is nothing the union can do to compel people to join. In fact the union people keep their mouths shut for fear the company will kick the union out.
Got a friend who worked for a telco here. It was a union shop though my friend was not a member. Another bigger telco (non union) bought them out. Guess what....The union went bye bye. The few guys that were in the CWA were told they could remain union but lost their collective bargaining rights because the new owners had no agreement with the union.
The relationship between company and labor organizations is like any other business relationship. it is either there or it isn't . Unions have no special powers that make them different.
You can bet the farm I can come in and take your job
And any union pussy that comes within 42" of me will get their jaw broke, done it before and will not hesitate doing it again.
Wrong why work for a company that will fuck you? Are you to much of a chickenshit to make it on your own? Or is it that you can't do the work without help?
Hey Internet Rambo!!! You remind me of the buck toothed pimply faced 98 pound weakling trying to impress girls by making himself into something he's not. Had you not tried so hard to make yourself into some sort of badass you might have succeded.
So for now you are akin to "The Mouse That Roared".
did you think that up all by yourself?
That perfectly illustrates the problem with unions. Instead of making the union a force for good you are advocating that the union simply destroy that which is not itself. Instead of being so damn self saving and abusive of those that are not allowing the unions to rape them why not simply pour that effort into making unionizing attractive enough and positive enough that people actually WANT to join them. If you had to chase those people out of the plant then you do not deserve the job you are in.Really! And yet you cannot see the issue that people have with the unions. I cross the picket line because the union's strike is wrong or because if I do not my family may STARVE and YOU have the balls and audacity to chase them out of the plant. THAT is the core of the corrupt unions. Do as we say no matter what. The main actions of unions these days is thuggary and extortion. No matter where that comes from or your past there is no room for that kind of bullshit in the workforce.And you base all of your extensive knowledge of unions on what?
You say you wouldn't "join one of those stupid organizations if it were the last job on earth"? That's probably a good thing because ytou probably couldn't handle the work we do and I'm not so sure we would even want you with that bad attitude.
I have been on strike and have had to deal with scabs. After our strike was over the dishonorable bastards were glad to get out of the plant. They couldn't handle the heat.
You're damned right I chased them out of the plant. They came in and took my job and I took it back with better pay and benefits.
And anyone who crosses a picket line is a scab. And scabs have no honor.
Well, since unionized labor makes up less than 8 percent of the markets workforce then I guess the workers ARE happy. How about the UNIONS make it WORTH joining instead of FORCING people into joining them, bulling and assaulting people that don't, buying politicians to give them kickbacks and go back to their original purpose of improving labor conditions/pay. Oh wait, because that would actually require real WORK and cut into their PROFIT MARGIN (aka: dues).If Unions were so great,they wouldn't have to threaten and force Citizens to join. Unions resemble criminal organizations in my opinion. They're no better than the so-called "Evil Corporations." In fact they're probably much worse. Corporations don't force you to work for them.
Yeah, well if corporations didn't fuck over workers every chance they got and treated them with a bit of respect there would never have been a need for a labor movement in the first place.
This is probably the best post in this thread. What you said is 100% correct. I'll be the first to say that if the workers are happy and satisfied in their work then they don't need to join a Union
